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#2609612 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 08:35 AM

 

I'm not so sure about that. Babs stated in his presser that his family as a whole start into a whole new period of life, if he stayed in Detroit or not. I think his main reason indeed was the challenge and what he can archive there.

In Detroit, even if he won two consecutive cups, there were others who have been there. Scotty Bowman have started build these Red Wings, he was merely jumping on board, developing what others have started. He now has the chance to become Torontos Bowman, even more than that. Heck, the last time the Maple Leafs won the cup, my parents were still teenagers and there was only a small hope that the USA might reach the moon till the end of the decade. If he brings it to Toronto he is an immortal legend instead of just the maybe greatest coach between 2000 and 2020.Sure, the money helps, but I don't flatter myself or Red Wings that it is money. It's something greater that we can't offer and I can don't blame him for taking this opportunity. Good luck Babs, you'll need it.

 

If that were the case then Toronto wouldn't have had to so massively overpay him for the pleasure.  Hell, they could have offered roughly the same money as Detroit and been confident he'd come to Toronto because they could offer him all the "intangible" things Detroit coudn't.  They could have offered him immortality.  Legacy.  Prestige.  Greatness. 

 

But it wasn't about any of that.  They had to massively outbid everybody because otherwise Babcock wouldn't have gone there.  They didn't give him that money out of the kindness of their hearts, and he didn't ask for it just for s***s and giggles. 

 

It wasn't about winning, or family, or anything else.  Eventually, as these things often do, it all came down to cash.  Lidstrom stayed with the Wings for less.  So did Datsyuk.  And Zetterberg.  And Kronwall.  Because they wanted to win here.

 

Babcock didn't. 




#2609605 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2015 - 07:53 AM

I have high hopes for Larkin but to think he is going to make the Wings squad next year is ludacris. He needs to adjust to the AHL for a full season or two. It will be interesting however how he fares against the toughest competition of the AHL off the bat!


LUDA!!!!!

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Probably fair points, but if he can come in and start learning the NHL game without any hindrance to his long term development, I want him learning from datsyuk and Z as long as he can.


Damn. Always one step ahead.


#2609530 Dylan Larkin turning pro... will play for GR immediately

Posted by kipwinger on 21 May 2015 - 05:24 PM

 
Lets not judge our next coaches decisions before he is even our coach  :lol:


Saying that Larkin will be a wing is just as silly as saying Pulkkinen will be a center. He won't.


#2609524 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 21 May 2015 - 05:17 PM

Michael GrangeVerified account ‏@michaelgrange
Babcock says he doesn't have an out; says Leafs initially offered hm 10 yrs. He asked for 8, takes him thru age 60.
 
Ok Kip, you're happy he's gone and you think, just like Buffalo, that he's liar and really only in it for the money...
I think we got it.
 
...and yes, HSJ really has her work cut out for her now that she can't worship at the altar of Babcock, but do you really think ANY Detroit media is gonna go at him about not re-signing with the Wings?


I don't think he's a liar. I think it was always about the money. And anybody who doesn't think so is a fool. Nothing he did, at any point, was geared toward re singing with the wings. The only way he would have stayed, is if we had offered 50 million, with would have been a dumb oveerpayment.


#2609324 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 21 May 2015 - 09:54 AM

 

And what the f*** is my argument again? Are you suggesting that I don't think we should hire Blashill, because it isn't even remotely true.

 

You seem to be suggesting that everybody should be wary of expecting too much out of Jeff Blashill as head coach.  Because Dave Lewis wasn't a good head coach.  So maybe Blash won't be either. 

 

If that's not what you're saying, then I have absolutely no idea why you'd bring Lewis up.  Other than to try and make some sort of tenuous comparison which isn't grounded in similarity at all. 

 

Why did you bring Lewis up again?

 

Edit:  Nobody expects Blashill to win the Cup next year.  But here's the thing...nobody expected Babcock to win the Cup next year either (had he stayed).  So expectations are EXACTLY the same.  However, given their relatively similar career trajectories, and the fact that Blashill out performed him in all head to head competition, I don't think it would be a stretch to expect him to be as good as Jon Cooper was in his first season as head coach.  Which is a much more realistic comparison than the phony one you keep trying to make with Dave Lewis. 




#2609306 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 21 May 2015 - 09:04 AM

There is nothing even remotely similar about Jeff Blashill and Dave Lewis.  They both took over for successful coaches.  That's it.  Trying to make a comparison between the two is absurd. 

 

It's possible that Jeff Blashill will fail.  We all get that.  It's the EXACT same possibility that every coach has in his first year behind the bench in the NHL.  It's the same possibility that Scott Bowman had, Mike Babcock had, Joe Quenneville had.  We get it. 

 

Blashill has as good, or better, qualifications than any of these guys did prior to their first NHL head coaching gig.  Better than Bylsma.  Better than McLellan.  Better than Cooper, Eakins, Boucher, too. 

 

And most importantly, better than  Dave Lewis.  

 

Could he fail?  Sure.  Does the information we have overwhelmingly point toward the opposite outcome?  Absolutely.   




#2609189 Coaching Search Thread a.k.a. the Jeff Blashill Thread

Posted by kipwinger on 20 May 2015 - 05:46 PM

Bring in the walrus.


I am the walrus.

I am the walrus.

Shut the f*** up Donny! V. I. Lenin! Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov!


#2609037 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 20 May 2015 - 01:54 PM

Don't sleep on Phil the Thrill.  He may look like a custard filled eclair, but me moves like a god damn antelope. 




#2608994 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 20 May 2015 - 01:36 PM

huh?  I thought Toronto just got Babs, not those big boy bruins...  :ninja:

 

After Boychuk and Thornton were gone Boston had no teeth. Hence they're unsuccessful.  I think you know that.

 

Maybe if they drafted Greenway...




#2608991 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 20 May 2015 - 01:34 PM

Here's a fun thought.  My how the tables have turned.  Brendan Shanahan is now Mike Babcock's boss.  Awesome. 

 

But seriously, how these two work together will be a key determinant in how well the Maple Leafs do in the future. 

 

But something tells me that a Team President with above average influence, and a coach with above average influence, might not get along.  Especially if the two positions are filled by guys who have historically not gotten along. 




#2608976 It's Official: Babcock to coach Maple Leafs

Posted by kipwinger on 20 May 2015 - 01:28 PM

Losing the best coach in hockey because of an insulting offer compared to others..yep , that contract extension has been well deserved lol All the best Babs your job got harder each and every season and your GM never brought in the much needed help Toronto is an unbelievable tough market good luck you'll need it. I hope going with Blashill finally means going for Austin Mathews too and start the rebuild

 

I thought you'd be extra happy today?  Your favorite team just got your favorite coach.  Buck up pal. 




#2608903 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 20 May 2015 - 01:00 PM

 

*Jim Ross voice* "DEAR GOD KING, IS THAT JOHN TORTORELLA'S MUSIC?!"

 

Favorite post of the day. 

 

The ultimate Ken Holland heel turn.  I love it. 




#2608834 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 20 May 2015 - 12:34 PM

Howard Berger @Berger_BYTES 11m11 minutes ago

Can't confirm, but told in email from source #Leafs offered Babcock dual role of GM and coach. Why not, huh?




#2608698 Free agents this off season

Posted by kipwinger on 20 May 2015 - 07:23 AM

 

didn't even realize that....

 

because the free agent class is so weak..? :P

 

That's because it's not big enough.




#2608563 Babcock granted permission to talk to other teams

Posted by kipwinger on 19 May 2015 - 12:40 PM

If true, fine by me ... in the end, he wasn't as sought after as he or most people thought.  Toronto, Buffalo, Det were the only true options.  Nothing from Pittsburgh, SJ, Edmonton, St. Louis ... 

 

Guess he's not even close to the 'best coach in the NHL period'.

 

It pains me to defend Mike Babcock.  Everybody knows that I think he's an overrated, blowhard, whose folksy Canadian "awww shucks, we need to work harder, and listen to our wives more" crap is just a veneer. 

 

That said, he's definitely one of the top coaches in the league.  He's just not soooo much better that teams who already have good coaches (or coaching options) are willing to drop everything and throw the bank at him.  There are a couple of coaches who are probably better, and a hand full that are as good.  Any team without a coach, or with a consistently underwhelming coach should be happy to have him.  But any team that already has a quality guy would be dumb to can them for Babs.  And for some reason that was what everybody expected.  Also, the fact that there are at least 3 or 4 other really good coaches available really diminished the interest in Babs.  Why throw 5 million at him when you can get McLellan or Bylsma for cheaper and they're not much (or any) worse than he is. 


 

 

 

If the whole process disgusts you so much, why follow it so closely?  It's like repeatedly drinking spoiled milk.

 

I follow hockey because I love the sport.  I'd really love to follow the Stanley Cup playoffs, since those are still going on and all.  Unfortunately every single outlet dedicated to covering the sport of hockey, is currently following #Babswatch.  So I'm forced to either quit following the sport I love, or follow it and comment on how idiotic this whole decision making process has been.  I've chosen the latter.  What else am I going to do, watch the NBA?  Lol.