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#2533769 Who is YOUR most under-appreciated/unsung Red Wing?

Posted by kipwinger on 05 August 2014 - 09:27 PM


Orr is washed up.  He's not in the same league.  At one time, DJ King was supposed to be the best future fighter in the league.  Big deal.


Whatever bro.  All I know is that Orr owned him.  Hard. 


He's got the Eye of the Tiger. 


Two best fighters of their era:  1. Colton Orr  2. Andreas Lilja. 


Nobody really cares about number three (Brian McWhateverbro). 




"This is Brian McCandyass of the Calgary Flames here with a special public service announcement.  Kids, don't do drugs.  Also, don't get stupid looking haircuts or get pole-axed by Colton Orr.  All three will embarrass your mother at church.  This is the face of a guy who embarrasses his mother at church.  Don't be that guy kids, don't be that guy." 

#2533672 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 04 August 2014 - 09:09 AM

Wow, this thread got carried away pretty quickly didn't it?  Seems like there's got to be a way to say what you're trying to say, without being so matadorish.  I'll take a stab at it.


DeGraa55:  I think the Wings will be just as bad as last year because we made no noticeable acquisitions to a team which has underwhelmed for 5 straight post seasons.  Plus, I think injuries will be a problem again because older players (e.g. Dats, Z, Franzen, Knonwall, etc.) tend to get injured MORE and not less over time. 


Number9:  I think the Wings will be better than last year because while we made no noticeable acquisitions, our young player were REALLY good last year and should be better this year.  And while injuries may be a problem again a year from now, they couldn't possibly be as bad as last year because that was just insane.  Plus, there's no way Jimmy will be that bad again right?  He's never been that bad his entire career.  We've got nowhere to go but up.



All better. 

#2533541 Candiens, P.K. Subban agree to 8 year contract

Posted by kipwinger on 02 August 2014 - 02:22 PM

I think Subban is a real good player and all.  But they should have let someone offer sheet the guy and taken the picks.  One guy, even a top flight defenseman, doesn't make a Stanley Cup winner.  This is way too much for any single player, and their depth will suffer for it.  They'll have a never ending string of plugs and inexperienced kids populating their team for the next 8 years. 

#2533421 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 31 July 2014 - 01:24 PM


Just imagine though, if he scores 25-30 this year, @ 2.75M, Holland could probably trade him to Coyotes for Yandle - straight up.


If he did that I don't know why you'd want to trade him though.  A year from now you'd hope that Sproul would be on the team and contributing, along with one of either Marchenko and/or Ouellet. 


The only way trading for Yandle makes sense is if it's this year...or if you are sending a left shooting top four (Smith) the other way.  And if that was the case you could probably get him for something like Smith + Pulkkinen + pick and not lose a 25-30 goal scorer. 


If Tatar scored 25-30 goals this season I'd consider trading him, but only for a top four who is under contract and shoots right.  Someone like Shattenkirk. 

#2533298 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 29 July 2014 - 01:45 PM

Also, I think this "he doesn't play defense" criticism of Tatar is a bit off base.  I don't think he's fantastic defensively, but he does try.  It's not like Brunner was a year ago.  Tatar was always a two way player in the AHL, and he backchecks every shift now.  He just isn't strong enough to do much once he gets back.  I just think it'll take a little time to find his defensive niche in the NHL.  Just like Dats had to do.  He wasn't a defensive superstar when he was 185 lbs either.  That's just too small to do much in the NHL.  Let Tatar get stronger and he'll be fine. 

#2533286 Samuelsson signs new contract....... with Djurgarden.

Posted by kipwinger on 29 July 2014 - 11:39 AM

Now the glass and boards at the JLA can sleep easy knowing that Sammy won't be around to hurt them anymore.  


Opposition logos have never felt so safe. 

#2533271 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 29 July 2014 - 09:34 AM


Cleary > Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson.


It's not ideal, but this year's team should have less deadweight than last year's. So we actually have less of a problem really.


First of all, you're overplaying your hand a bit.  Tatar was a regular in the lineup after 9 games...so it's not like those three guys were all getting huge playing time for the first half of the season...they weren't.  After the first ten games any two of the three were scratched on a given night.


Secondly, that doesn't really address my point anyway.  Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson weren't the reason we got butchered by Boston in the playoffs.  They weren't the reason we blew a 3-1 series lead against Chicago the year before that.  They weren't the reason we couldn't beat San Jose for two years.  And they definitely weren't the reason we got embarrassed by Nashville in 5 games. 


But here's the kicker...neither were injuries.  In only one of those series (Boston) did injuries play a significant role.  There are fundamental issues with this team that haven't been addressed in a LONG time.  Acting like those issues have been resolved because we let a couple of frequently scratched third and fourth liners walk is the equivalent to burying your head in the sand. 


Yeah, Cleary's probably going to bring the same thing he brought last year, which, according to Babcock, was "nothing".


My point was that Cleary sucking is still better than Cleary, Samuelsson, and Bert (to a lesser degree) sucking.


Again, at no point after the first ten games last season did Cleary, Sammy, and Bert regularly play for our team at the same time.  On any given night, maybe one of them played.  But rarely two, and definitely not all three. 

#2533225 Predictions for the DRW 2014-15 Season!

Posted by kipwinger on 28 July 2014 - 09:19 PM

The problem with placing all our hopes on a healthy team is that it ignores the fact that for the first part of last season we were totally healthy and we still weren't that good.  We were also totally healthy for the 4 post seasons before last year.  Same results though. 


Like everyone else, I'd obviously prefer we were healthy rather than not.  But a lot of people are going to be very disappointed when they realize that we can make all the excuses we want, but there are a lot of holes in our team that didn't get solved in the offseason, and won't be solved by Datsyuk staying healthy. 


We've got an undersized, perimeter, team that can't play in the crease.  We don't have a single top flight player in his prime.  We've got a defense that can't move the puck efficiently. We've got horrible special teams.  And we've got an offensive scheme that hasn't yielded quality results in 5 years. 


Obviously, I'd love to be wrong.  The best case scenario is that we get healthy and win a Cup.  But I'm not holding my breath.  Second best scenario?  Get healthy and struggle just as much as we did a year ago.  At least that way nobody can use the "injury" excuse anymore. 

#2533200 That Time Mike Vernon Used the Jedi Mind Trick

Posted by kipwinger on 28 July 2014 - 04:05 PM

I suppose he also put something into his coffee. :P How many goals did Roy let in that night again ?


52 if I recall correctly. 

#2533186 Tatar Signs 3 Year Deal $2.75 mill AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 28 July 2014 - 03:16 PM

I mean, in a full season Tatar's going to give you 20+ goals.  To me 20 goals is worth 2.75 million, every day of the week.  20+ goals and shutdown defense will get you 5 million plus.  Ask Kesler or O'Reilly. 


Tatar's getting paid what he should. 

#2533049 Dekeyser/Tatar status update

Posted by kipwinger on 26 July 2014 - 01:42 PM

I'm going to laugh and laugh and laugh if Tatar signs a more "team friendly" deal than Dekeyser.  Everybody is overly worried about Tatar, but the local guy isn't signed either.  What if he's the one with the "ego problem" or whatever else is being suggested  about Tatar?  People act like Tatar is some kind of bad seed because he's trying to get the best deal he can.  But clearly Dekeyser is doing the same thing and everyone is mum. 


Truth is, neither are currently signed because their value is really hard to determine.  They've both played better than your average rookie but don't have a track record.  As such, it's hard for both management, and their agents, to figure out what their proper value is.  So it takes time. 

#2533005 Ferraro re-signed: 1-year $550K (2-way)

Posted by kipwinger on 25 July 2014 - 12:28 PM

f*** YEAH!  Did you guys hear the Wings just acquired a Fierro!






Ohhhhhh, a Ferraro.  Was it Ray?




Oh, then I don't care!

#2532870 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 23 July 2014 - 09:57 AM

I like this. I think I mentioned a while back in another thread that we don't have any players that are consistently fighting for the tough areas in front of the net. Cleary used to be good at it, Abdelkader kinda, but his role on the team is constantly shifting. Jurco and Sheahan maybe as they continue to develop. Franzen? Lol. There's a niche waiting to be occupied, and as you mentioned, Callahan has thrived in the AHL with all the necessary tools.


I agree.  And doesn't he just seem like a guy that Babcock would like?  He's gritty, hardworking, defensively responsible AND can score goals now and again?  I imagine Babs says those words to himself over and over in the mirror when trying to get aroused. 

#2532864 Alfie wants to play

Posted by kipwinger on 23 July 2014 - 09:13 AM

The Detroit Red Wings have long had the philosophy that prospects need to be "ripe" before they make the jump to the National Hockey League. That means after getting drafted, our prospects spend around 3-5 years between junior or overseas and the AHL before finally getting their shot in the NHL. This has proven to be successful for many years now and I don't see them drastically changing that system any time soon.


I don't see there being much of a chance that Mantha makes the big club this season, despite how highly fans, media and management regard him, nor do I think Jurco will start the season in the NHL. I'm actually a fan of the Red Wing way, of over ripening players, and I like the idea of having a farm oozing with talent. Depth is probably the biggest key to a teams success in the league today, and because of our drafting, development and ripening methods, we are definitely stacked with depth in the minors.


There is a reason players like Nyquist and Tatar were able to jump into the NHL with little to no growing pains, while highly regarded players drafted by other teams get thrown in the fire too early and flame out due to not being ready, and having their confidence destroyed. I'm just as excited for all these kids as anyone but I think it would be a huge mistake to throw them in the best league in the world before they're fully ready, both physically and mentally. In my opinion, on the back end, Marchenko could be ready for full time duty in the NHL, other than that I think Backman, Ouellet, Sproul and Jensen can all use more seasoning in the AHL. Up front, Jurco is the closest to being ready, but could still use another season down in the minors, along with Pulkkinen, Mantha, Athanasiou, etc.


Anyway, point being, I don't think there is any harm in resigning a future hall-of-famer, veteran like Alfredsson, allowing all of our forward prospects another season in Grand Rapids to round out there game. Having these guys getting top line minutes and loads of PP time down in Grand Rapids, to me is a lot more beneficial than getting 3rd line minutes and no PP time up in Detroit.



As for our RFA's that are not waiver exempt, I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that any team picks up Nestrasil, with a slim chance a team takes a chance on Ferraro, although that may be even less likely now with uncle Tony now as the assistant coach. My only fear is that we lose Callahan. The kid is coming off a career year with the Griffins, is an absolute warrior and would be a great addition to any teams 4th line. I hope Holland doesn't give any team the chance to claim him. No he's not going to put up a lot of points but I think he would be a huge loss...


I don't understand why Callahan doesn't just become the new Holmstrom?  He's clearly tough as hell, has a scoring touch around the crease, and isn't afraid to stand in front of slap shots.  Plus, he's actually good defensively and on special teams.


In another dimension (one where the Wings don't have Andersson or Cleary or Glendening on the opening night roster) I'd pencil this kid in as my fourth line winger, penalty killer, and net front on my 2nd PP unit. 

#2532839 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by kipwinger on 22 July 2014 - 06:59 PM

Whoa, don't say that name. Its like beetle juice, three times and he appears