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#2627868 9/30 Exhibition GDT : Red Wings 7 at Penguins 2

Posted by kipwinger on 01 October 2015 - 09:09 AM

How in sweet  f*** is Holland going to find room for all these kids over the next 2 years?


Richards will be gone, Datsyuk will retire, Quincey gone, Franzen will retire, Miller will move on, Smith/Kindl/Both will be moved, Andersson will be waived, Helm (may) be traded or allowed to walk. 


We'll be fine. 

I'd even be amenable to letting Nyquist and Pulkkinen battle for the next year or so, and then move the one you don't want to keep. 


Some others might throw Tatar in that group too.  Obviously I wouldn't, because I think he's WAY better than the other two. 

#2627866 Completely Healthy Roster?

Posted by kipwinger on 01 October 2015 - 08:46 AM

I agree.  Miller is a good player for what he does.  But he's totally replaceable.  Guys like that get love in Detroit, but not really anywhere else in the league.  They're stuck in this situation where they're too good to make entry level money, but replaceable enough that teams don't really want to give them a raise. 


While Miller is probably better than Ferraro (for instance), I don't think he's so much better that it would make the extra money worth it.  But that's not a knock on Miller.  There are tons of guys I feel that way about.  In today's cap world, with your core players eating up a larger and larger percentage of your available cap space, you have to find cost savings where you can.  One of those ways is to try and always have role and depth players on entry level (or near league minimum) contracts.  The other way is to not have a ton of money wrapped up in a goalie (looking at you NY Rangers). 

#2627678 Completely Healthy Roster?

Posted by kipwinger on 29 September 2015 - 11:56 AM

I'm just curious to see what the team will look like next season or in 2 yrs .... There's just way too many good kids coming up and not enough spots

Mantha athanasiou larkin nosek bertuzzi svechnikov and god knows who else (holmstrom?)

Sad to say but Franzen retiring soon would probably be best for the team and someone like helm who I really like will probably be gone to make room and we got guys like nosek,larkin,bertuzzi,natasiuk who can play a similar 2 way game

Anyways as for this year , this is what I'd like to see when healthy

Zetterberg datsyuk abdelkader

Nyquist richards Tatar

Pulkkinen sheahan jurco

Helm glendening Franzen


I'm sure mule will play top 6 probably but I think he should be on the 4th line , with helms speed and glendening tenacity I think on a 4th line competing against other teams bottom pairs and 3rd pairing d's and some ppl time he could get 15 goals which would benefit us having a goal scorer on hype 4th line and with limited time increases the chances of him not getting hurt and helping us in the playoffs


Just gotta go the Chicago route.  Lock up your core players, and essentially view all role players as expendable.  Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.  Guys like Quincey, Smith, Kindl, Andersson, Miller Glendening, Ferraro, Callahan, and maybe even Ericsson, Jurco, and Abby are all replaceable.  I really like tons of those guys, but you can usually find similar type guys in the offseason just about every year for reasonable prices.  Detroit is really the only contending team that shows this much loyalty to role players.  I'm not complaining about it, because it's seemed to work well, but it's clearly not the only way to be successful. 

#2627643 9/28 Exhibition GDT : Red Wings at Boston Bruins, 7:00 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 28 September 2015 - 07:28 PM

Hmmm, the big, bad, bruiny, bears are acting like big Boston *******. Head locking Larkin? He's 19 years old tough guy!

#2627623 9/28 Exhibition GDT : Red Wings at Boston Bruins, 7:00 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 28 September 2015 - 05:25 PM

I think it's great.  Show how much enthusiasm there is for the sport.  You've got to remember, this is just the pre-season and people are irritated that they can't see it.  A few short years ago nobody cared about pre-season hockey.  It's crazy the change you see in the consumption of the sport.  You've got people watching the draft, playing fantasy hockey, watching the preseason, following minor league affiliates, and monitoring European prospects overseas.  That kind of stuff probably doesn't seem that crazy to the Canadian fans, they've been at that level for a while.  But that's entirely new and exciting for American fans.  It means that the sport is growing.  And everybody has to like that. 

#2627609 9/26 Exhibition GDT : Boston Bruins at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 28 September 2015 - 01:52 PM

Maybe, but I don't care if he does or doesn't.  I think it's WAY more important for the team's success that Tatar be a 30+ goal scorer than a 25 goal scorer with defense. 


The entire Mike Babcock mentality, that a guy's only valuable if he's defensively responsible, has got to change in Detroit.  In some instances it's true, and in others it makes no sense.  For instance, last year Kindl couldn't buy a spot in the lineup because he didn't play good defense.  However Smith, who is significantly worse than Kindl offensively and only marginally better defensively, played all season.  What makes it bad, however, isn't Smith.  I don't care about him.  It's the usage.  Both guys led the defense in offensive zone starts.  So their respective differences in defensive ability didn't really matter because neither of them were ever going to play a defensive role.  But by removing Kindl from the lineup you effectively ensured that you weren't going to get any production from the back end, even though that was the role Smith way playing.  You replaced a guy who can produce offense with a guy who's better defensively, and then never used the defensive guy in a defensive role. 


Dynamic offensive players don't grow on trees.  I'd be pissed if we stunted Tatar's upward potential by asking him to take on more defensive responsibility.  We don't need that from him.  Not when he's only 1 of 2 guys on the team that can score 30+. 

#2627605 9/26 Exhibition GDT : Boston Bruins at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 28 September 2015 - 01:31 PM

I guess we can pick and chose what defense means. So Abby would count too.

Personally I'd put Tatar before Kane for defense. He skates hard on the backcheck. Kane is more of a puck possesor


But I'm with mrazekfanboy on his overall point. That being said if Tatar and Richards can work together to maintain offense and defense then why not.

It's just easier when you have a Datsyuk or Z who can handle almost 100% of defense responsiblity. If Tatar and Richards can work together to sum up a defense then i guess why not. They've already shown that they immediately had offensive chemistry.


Tatar is a better possession player than Kane.  Demonstrably.  He was one of the very best possession players in the league.



#2627587 9/26 Exhibition GDT : Boston Bruins at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 28 September 2015 - 11:07 AM

Are we talking about the same Brad Richards who had all the primary assists in Tatar's hat trick? Not sure why you're insinuating he is some washed up scrub.

#2627578 Chicago re-signs Seabrook; 8 years, $6.875 AAV

Posted by kipwinger on 28 September 2015 - 09:55 AM

I'm not really sure that defenseman are more or less likely to have a long career than forwards are.  I mean, there are quite a few recent examples of forwards who played well into their 40's as well.  I think the determining factor is A) what type of game do you play, and B) what kind of injury history do you have. 


Lidstrom played a really long time because he was relatively healthy throughout his entire career, and his body didn't wear out as a result of getting pummeled for 20 years.  Orr's career was short because he had injury issues.  Robyn Regehr retired at 35 because he played such a physically grueling style for a number of years.  There's really no recipe. 


If I had to handicap it I'd say Seabrook will see the end of the contract without losing too much off his game.  While he does play a relatively physical game, he's not had too many injuries, and his usage will likely get easier as he ages.  His offense will probably suffer as he gets older, but nobody ever relied on him for offense anyway.  He'll be a capable, 38 year old, stay at home defender, leader, and all around steady blueline presence who puts up 20-25 points.  And none of that will be worth 6 million bucks.  But it will be a good contract for the next 4-5 years.  Which is all Chicago really wants from him anyway.

#2627534 9/26 Exhibition GDT : Boston Bruins at Red Wings, 7:00 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 27 September 2015 - 01:33 PM

Dang, Kindl very nearly had a hat trick last night.  There might be something to this idea of his resurrecting his career under Blash.  I realize the preseason isn't over, but right now he's out playing Smith for that 6th defense spot.  Smith's just not got the same offense as Kindl, even with the powerplay opportunities he's getting. 

#2627342 9/24 Exhibition GDT : at Red Wings 6, Pittsburgh Penguins 1

Posted by kipwinger on 25 September 2015 - 08:59 AM

Mantha seems like the type to hide in the offensive zone then strike suddenly, Brett Hull like. I don't like that, especially with how big a frame he has, which could be better utilized winning pucks in the corner or fending off defenseman. Having said that I did notice he forced several turnovers which lead to scoring chances.


I agree.  He can still be a scorer, even a good scorer, but still use his size and speed more. I agree with the folks that say he's not a "power forward" and shouldn't be expected to play like one.  I think he'd be completely misutilizing his talent if he was down in front of the net banging and crashing.  But I see no reason why he couldn't play a game like Blake Wheeler, or James Neal (hopefully without the penalties).  Neither of them are Andrew Ladd, but they are still noticeable each shift. 


Another year in GR will do him a lot of good. 

#2626986 9/23 Exhibition GDT : at Red Wings 4, Chicago Blackhawks 1

Posted by kipwinger on 24 September 2015 - 09:43 AM

I think Hank looked alright.  Seemed to be moving well.  And Abby played a good game.  But Nyquist was still on summer vacation so that line was nonexistent.  Zetterberg will be fine. 

#2626919 9/23 Exhibition GDT : at Red Wings 4, Chicago Blackhawks 1

Posted by kipwinger on 23 September 2015 - 08:51 PM

He scored well in the ahl. He's good around the crease and IMO he's an underrated passer.

#2626908 9/23 Exhibition GDT : at Red Wings 4, Chicago Blackhawks 1

Posted by kipwinger on 23 September 2015 - 08:40 PM

Callahan has looked really good tonight too.  I don't think he looks any worse, and maybe a little better, than Ferraro did yesterday. 

#2626903 9/23 Exhibition GDT : at Red Wings 4, Chicago Blackhawks 1

Posted by kipwinger on 23 September 2015 - 08:38 PM

Remember all those people saying Pavel gifted Tatar all his goals last season?  Are we going to give all the credit to Richards this year?