Kickazz...Datsyuk and Zetterberg were not top 10 scorers for a decade. Each of them finished top 10 only 2 times in their careers. Datsyuk finishing 4th twice and Z finishing 9th and 8th. That said, I do think Datsyuk has a good chance at the HOF due to Selke's....point totals are low though. Guy Carbaneau (sp?) has the Selke's and decent point totals, but not enough and he hasn't gotten in so far.
Datsyuk will get in because he's flashy. And people go ga ga for flashy players.
He was voted the best Russian, ahead of Malkin and Ovechkin, in 13 and was widely regarded as one of the top 3 players from the 04-05 lockout until injuries started showing him down. Announcers on national broadcasts generally called him arguably the best because of his defense, and most people agree he'd have scored a lot more if he had wanted to.
Just to play devil's advocate, didn't you just say in another thread that Helm isn't the best 3rd line center in the league just because Babcock said so? Why are announcers' opinions of Datsyuk any different than Babcock's opinion of Helm?
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think you got that backwards kip... If we were to waive Howard and / or Ericsson, we'd retain their entire cap hit minus the $900K or whatever it is... If you bury a bad contract, only a small fraction comes off the books, otherwise every team with these awful contracts would be sending them down to the minors, with little repercussion...
You're right, I was wrong. I was reading about it last night and got it all wrong. Obviously it makes a lot more sense as you've laid it out.
That's actually not too far from what I'd envisioned. With no additional roster changes I'd like to see this:
On defense I'd like:
Kronwall-Ericsson (I don't want Ericsson, but lets me real)
That's with no changes. But sooner or later the Wings are going to have to move some cheap younguns' into the lineup and ditch some overpriced vets. They need to re-sign Dekeyser and Mraz this year and Tatar, AA, and Smith next year. And they won't have a lot of money to do it with. They probably should have done that this year by ditching Helm and Glendening for cheaper options but what's done is done. Losing Ott, Miller, Ericsson, and Howard next season should just about cover it.
I like the combos, but ott will not be waived. He was brought here to play and play he will. Helm was the useless signing.
I don't think that's necessarily true. I dont think two guys signed to one year contracts for less than a million are necessarily going to be penciled into the lineup. Obviously Helms going to play (and he should), but not the other two. I dont think they're safe. Especially Ott. Holland waived Tootoo, why would he be reluctant to waive Ott?
Must agree...It's disingenuous to claim 1 thing, or another.
Adding some size, and physicality to this roster would only help rather than hinder.
Only if they can skate. Otherwise it does hinder us. Slow hockey is losing hockey. There are plenty of big, physical, wingers who are fast. I'm all on board for those guys. But Lucic and Martin aren't them. That's all I'm saying.
Looking at our 3rd/4th lines - who exactly is vastly superior than Martin?
As far as I can tell - nobody really is - especially when it comes to physical play, and retorts (referring to Miller should be using 'Just For Men' hair care products).
He's a Windsor native - I'm guessing he grew up a Wings fan...Time to play for the 'home team'
Better at what? Hitting? Nobody. We've got nobody who hits as good as Martin. But pretty much all of our bottom end guys are better players than Martin. Did you know that Martin doesn't kill penalties? Really, he's supposed to be the "ideal" bottom end winger and he doesn't even kill penalties for his own team. .02 short handed minutes per game for Martin this year. You know who does? Clutterbuck. And he scores WAY more than Martin too. If everybody were going nuts for a guy like Clutterbuck I'd agree with them. But not Martin. He's not even the best fourth line winger on his own team.
Say what you want about Miller (and I don't even want the guy on the team) but at least he does one thing reasonably well that helps teams win games. He kills penalties reliably. Martin does nothing but chase the puck around and hit guys. Whoopdie do! You know who else used to do that? Jordin Tootoo, and what a stud he was for the Red Wings.
I wouldn't say anyone is saying we go to the other extreme. Adding a big winger or two doesn't make us Anaheim or Boston, it would give us a nice mix.
I don't have a problem with big wingers who can skate. But that excludes guys like Lucic and to a lesser extent Backes and Ladd (who are only going to get slower as they age). None of them play with the tempo that we should be playing with to maximize our potential. Okposos can. And he's bigger and tougher than any of our current wingers (aside from Abby), so I'd be fine with him. Otherwise we're just negating our biggest asset. Team speed.
The the only big winger on Pittsburgh's team (who actually played) was Fehr, and he's a fourth liner. The only big winger for Tampa (who actually plays) is Killorn, and he's 6'1, 200 lbs. Hardly a brute. Chicago? Ladd (after the trade) and Weise (after the trade). Before that? Hossa. Hardly a brute.
Point is, people thinking that you need these giants to "add another dimension" are dramatically overvaluing that "added dimension". Big brutes are struggling in today's game. They can't keep up. As unpopular as it may be, I'd be thrilled with a couple of Franzen's. Guys who are big enough to hold the puck in the offensive zone, but who can skate and score.
Did anyone else notice that a smaller, more skilled, speedier team just demolished a bigger, tougher, grittier team in the Cup Finals? Like, embarrassed them.
We already have a fast team. We need a little more skill in key positions and we are built to win. Going to the other extreme is silly. We finally have the personnel in place to play a type of game that we know can be successful (Pittsburgh, Tampa, Chicago) and we have people clamboring to get biggest and slower. Why? Cuz big is good apparently? Tell that to San Jose, and Anaheim, and Winnipeg, and Boston. Those giants are hearing it up eh?
I think Miller is overrated. But I don't mind the signing. If a kid outplays him in camp, waive miller and nearly all of his contract can be stashed in the minors. If not, he's serviceable. No harm no foul on this one for me.