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#2557434 Oilers schedule presser tomorrow

Posted by kipwinger on 17 December 2014 - 01:43 PM

The Tyler Seguin trade is the closest possible comparable to a Hall trade (considering their ages, career stats, draft pedigree, etc.).  Seguin, along with Peverly and Ryan Button were traded for Loui Eriksson, The Good Smith, Matt Fraser, and Joe Morrow. 


So Boston got a 20+ goal (70 pt.) winger, an up and coming roster player, a bottom sixer, and a pretty good prospect for a Seguin, a journeyman defenseman, and a third rate prospect. 


As such, I'd say if you wanted Hall you'd be looking at giving up Nyquist, Jurco/Sheahan, plus a middling prospect.  They wouldn't need Pulkkinen too, and they wouldn't  need a pick. 


If that's the asking price I say "no thanks".  Hall is a REALLY good winger, but I wouldn't want to lose the center depth (Sheahan) since we're thin on the ground.  I'd do that package for Seguin, but not Hall. 

#2557268 12/16 GDT : Blue Jackets 1 at Red Wings 0 (SO)

Posted by kipwinger on 16 December 2014 - 09:56 PM

Seriously.  Bobrovsky.  Traded.  For picks.  And replaced by Bryzgalov.  Lol. 

#2557239 12/16 GDT : Blue Jackets 1 at Red Wings 0 (SO)

Posted by kipwinger on 16 December 2014 - 09:36 PM

Anybody remember that time Paul Holmgren traded Bobrovsky for a second and fourth round pick so that he could land Bryzgalov? 


Worst part?  That's the third or fourth worst trade of Holmgren's tenure as GM.

#2557236 12/16 GDT : Blue Jackets 1 at Red Wings 0 (SO)

Posted by kipwinger on 16 December 2014 - 09:32 PM


Yeah. But Detroit should have had more than one PP so far. Just saying'


Maybe so, but that hardly suggests a league wide conspiracy in favor of the Columbus Blue Jackets (lol).  Also, considering we get more powerplays that we give, does every other team in the league have a solid argument for suggesting the league has a pro-Detroit bias?  Of course not.  That would be silly.

#2557079 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 16 December 2014 - 12:46 PM

Both Quincey and Smith were struggling at the time they were put together last season which was a recipe for disaster. They're both playing much better hockey since then, and I don't think they would struggle the same way if it were tried again.


I think Kronwall - Ericsson, DeKeyser - Green, Smith - Quincey would be a great top 6.


These pairs make the most sense to me on a given night.  You could always flip flop Green with Smith (situationally) in order to protect Green's minutes if you needed to. 

#2556991 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by kipwinger on 15 December 2014 - 11:47 PM

Kip let it go buddy. I'm not going to sit here and come up with a dissertation on why I believe fights should be a part of hockey. It's hockey for pete sake. Entertainment. I like the fighting...I like the big hits...I like the skill...I like the scoring....I hate Crosby. 


Oh, I get it.  You like sports, and you like fighting, and you like entertainment.  You like sports entertainment.  Gotcha. 



#2556958 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by kipwinger on 15 December 2014 - 10:36 PM


So if there's a brawl during a Wings game this year and the fans are into it, are you going to come here and post about how boring, stupid and pointless it all was?  Or are you going to chant and be entertained like everyone else?  


You're right.  I'll order another Miller Light and yuck it up with all the other low brow dips***s.  Because it's obvious how interested I am in agreeing with the crowd. 


Afterward I'll head home and jack off to all the pass interference calls I missed on Monday night football, because penalties are totally awesome bro!

#2556955 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by kipwinger on 15 December 2014 - 10:07 PM


McGrattan and Engelland will make a man out of him yet.  


Wouldn't McGrattan need to spend more than 6:30 minutes with him per night to have any sort of impact at all?  I literally spend more time on the toilet per day than Brain McGrattan does playing hockey on game night. 

#2556951 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by kipwinger on 15 December 2014 - 09:51 PM

Yeah because the direction the game is going is so much more fun to watch.


Lets take the action out of every sport. Then we will be left with a bunch of under sized pansies passing flowers to each other.  


I like how in your mind "the action" of hockey and penalties are the same thing.  You want the league to leave game misconducts alone, so that you can enjoy the "action".  Lol.  Nevermind what happens between the whistles, that s***'s boring.  The real stuff comes after the play is dead.  And one day, if we're really lucky, all the fun stuff about hockey will happen after the game is completely over.  Then we can just watch Dan Carcillo and Zac Rinaldo beat the s*** out of each other in the parking lot.  What a sport that will be. 

#2556888 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 15 December 2014 - 01:29 PM

He's more like Kirk Maltby.


Not really.  He's a little bit like Maltby in attitude, but his skill set is almost entirely like Draper.  Both Draper and Glendening are/were matchup defensive centers, with excellent faceoff and penalty killing capabilities. 


The only thing Maltby and Glendening have in common is that they're both pretty big douchebags lol.  They love chirping dudes, being quasi-dirty, and facewashing guys. 


On second thought, Glendening is a Maltby/Draper love child.  A perfect combination of the two. 

Yandle is clearly the best of the three but Green is the best option for Detroit in my opinion...



#2556881 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 15 December 2014 - 01:19 PM

I think the biggest reason the Wings were so outmatched against the Bruins last year in the playoffs was because we didn't have Ericsson playing.


I agree.  The year before he was a monster against Chicago.  He was all over Toews and I recall him absolutely decimating Bickell along the boards as well.  People always harp on stay at home guys until they're gone.  Did it with Stuart, do it with Ericsson. 

#2556870 Oilers schedule presser tomorrow

Posted by kipwinger on 15 December 2014 - 12:53 PM

Who's the most relieved man in Canada right now? 



#2556862 Where were team-mates on the Smith headshot

Posted by kipwinger on 15 December 2014 - 12:28 PM


The problem I have your argument is your assuming that would be our feelings.


I do believe it is a heated topic if fighting belongs in our game. I for one do not think its necessary part of the game but I there are tones of other thread I could make that statement in.


I would have not been upset if it was the other way. With all the evidence of what head trauma does to athletes, this needs to be stopped. Boxing and UFC are sports that is only about fighting has rules against someone that a disadvantage. 


I agree with your position on fighting, but I don't really want to make his a pro vs. anti fighting thread. 


And you're right, I am assuming people would react differently.  That's because in all my life, I've never known a sports fan who was ok with with a questionable referee decision if said decision wasn't in their teams' favor.  Occasionally fans will begrudgingly accept a refs' decision if it's too obvious to ignore, or else the outcome of the decision is inconsequential.  But if it matters at all, every fan will always take their teams' side.  That's what being a fan is all about.  So if Smith is winning it's "let em' go ref" and if he's losing it's, "they need to get involved earlier". 


Same with penalties.  Think about it.  People ***** and moan about the refs CONSTANTLY on this site, but conveniently leave out the part about how the Wings get more powerplays than almost every other team in the league.  Pretty mum on that one, because it helps us out. 

#2556850 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 15 December 2014 - 11:51 AM

The emergence of Sheahan and Glendening has, unfortunately, made Helm the tradable asset.  If he, prospect (fwd not named Larkin or Mantha) and a pick would get us, Green, Myers, Yandle, etc... then it's a no brainer.  If the rumor is true, just a 2nd rounder for Green, it should be done today. Then they could also acquire Yandle for a trade package.  That would cause a huge logjam next season though, an even worse when the kids are out of options.  Jensen, Sproul, Oullet, Marchenko, Backman...sheesh, we got a lot of good prospects on D.  We'd have to dump K, Q and possibly Ericsson.  I could also see Smith being put in a trade package.


I agree with some of what you're saying, but I disagree on a few points which I'll describe in more detail after the jump.




Ok, glad you're still with me. 

1.  Tyler Myers isf****** horrible.  Can we please stop talking about him like he's in the same class as these other guys?  If Ken Holland traded ANY of our good assets for a guy with SEVEN points on the season, he should be drawn, quartered, sewn back together, and drawn and quartered again.  Also, Myers doesn't even really fill a need anymore considering how we run our new powerplay.  In a single point powerplay (as opposed to two point men) the guy in back (defenseman) must be able to skate (since he's the only one consistently monitoring the blue line).  Hence why Chara was moved off Boston's powerplay point in favor of Krug.  He can't skate (quickly).  Neither can Myers. 


2.  We can't afford Yandle and Green.  That's almost 12 million dollars in cap that we can't really afford to take on.  It would need to be one or the other.  Also, ignoring the cap hit, I still wouldn't want both of them as you'd have a whole bunch of redundancy in terms of skill set.  If you acquired both you'd have one of Yandle, Green, or Kronwall sitting on the bench too often to make a difference offensively (especially on the powerplay).  One or the other, but not both. 


3.  Ericsson is probably not going anywhere for a long time, and we should all be thankful.  If our defense was some combination of Kronwall, Yandle, Green, Smith, Dekeyser, and those kids, they'd get eaten alive in the playoffs.  You still need big bodied, stay at home defenders in this league, and Ericsson is probably one of the most underrated ones in the league.  Kindl can go, Quincey can go, and (if Babs' use of Ouellet over Smith has shown) Smith could theoretically go.  But Ericsson isn't going anywhere. 

#2556844 Do we need a trade to get our offence going ?

Posted by kipwinger on 15 December 2014 - 11:01 AM

I have no problem with Darren Helm...as a third line center.  I think in that role he's got a comparative advantage over almost every other third line center in the league.  I also think, in that role, he can take on more defensive responsibility (which he seems good at), thus allowing us to exploit matchups. 


Where I don't like Darren Helm, as should be obvious, is on a scoring line wing.  Sure he can be made to look decent there (Ian White could be made to look decent on a top defensive pairing too), but that obscures the fact that his talents are better utilized elsewhere, and somone else (who has the skill set needed to be a top six winger) could be slotted in that spot for maximum efficiency. 


But what do I know?  I'm as wrong about the roster as I am right most of the time.  Nevertheless, I'll beat the drum for moving Helm, not because I don't like him, but because he's redundant on this team and we've got a couple of needs to fill to be a true Cup competitor (in my opinion).