I believe during some pre-season interview Holland said he was hoping for a best-case of 6 or 7 20 goal guys. Funny thing is, if I rememeber correctly, he figured two of those cats would be Franzen and Weiss.
For a minute there, it looked like both of those guys might have been able to do it too. Franzen started out really strong before his injury, and Weiss was going like gangbusters for a bit too. Dang.
People do realize Nyquist is a pass first type of guy right?
That's a pretty tenuous characterization for a guy who has 54 goals, and 55 assists in his short NHL career. Joe Thornton is "pass first". Valterri Filppula is "pass first". I think it would be misleading to describe Nyquist's game in a similar fashion. So far in his short career he's been a significantly better finisher than most NHLers.
Who do you feel is equal to, or a better coach, or who would you like to see behind the Wings bench?
I'd like to see Blashill behind the bench. Or Dave Tippett, if Phoenix goes in a different direction. I like Blashill because he's already familiar with the talent, they've bought into his scheme, he's got report with the guys, and he's won with them. I like Tippett because he's got about 20 fewer career wins than Babs, with about one twentieth the amount of talent. Tippett gets more out of less than anyone in the league and I"d love to see what he could do with a payroll, some stability, and some quality hockey players.
When it comes to who is better, the results speak for themselves. Quenneville, Hitch, and Sutter have credentials that surpass Babs. Laviollete and Julien are in the same ballpark. Vignault, Trotz, Tippet, and Mclellan are nipping at his heals.
Edit: I would add that this is a rough ranking of guys based on a few variables (Cups, finals appearances, career wins). Ideally you'd rank these guys on a few other factors as well. Notably, long playoff runs, President's trophy wins, division wins, injuries, quality of team, etc. As all make a major difference in either A) determining who is best, or B) identifying legit reasons why they've struggled. I just don't have the time to do it though, and I suspect you'd probably end up with the same guys (in a slightly different order) anyway.
55fan....why would you be watching some Devil hockey? The most boring form of hockey on the planet. Even when the Wings are playing them, I think about whether I want to watch.
Not really sure if you've noticed, but Detroit's shot suppression game isn't exactly exhilarating to watch. Last I knew we were at, or near, the top of teams with fewest shots (for and against) per game. These days it looks like we're not too different from New Jersey.
I agree with you, and by worry I meant Babs has to deal with not being able to have as many top players due to the cap.
What do you mean? We're in excellent cap condition. Babs doesn't have "top players" because the ones we had got old, and the ones we will have aren't old enough yet. If Kenny had wanted to, he likely could have signed a bunch of second tier stars (e.g. Vanek, Moulson, etc.), we definitely have the space. But legit "top talent" doesn't really hit the market much, and as previously mentioned our home grown "top talent" is either too old, or too young, currently.
And just to be optimistic, I'd like to point out that Tatar AND Nyquist are both coming off freshman and sophomore seasons which rival or surpass the freshman and sophomore seasons that Datsyuk and Zetterberg put up. So there's plenty of reason to believe we've got top players coming (in addition to all the first rate prospects we've got coming too).
Contrary to the narrative, Mike Babcock has had (and will have again) plenty of talent to work with as coach of the Red Wings.
As always, glad to see Tootoo doing well. He was a classy guy when he was here, and I'm happy to see him land on his feet. Hopefully this season's effort will earn him something a little bit more long term from the Devils. He probably wouldn't be a bad guy to have around during their rebuild. He's got the right attitude and the right work ethic. Probably isn't going to make a difference on the ice most nights, but could be a good locker room guy for the kids they'll be bringing in soon.
I don't expect him to win ever single year, but you guys are downplaying some of the really great teams he had and lost with. His teams were not mediocre in 2005 or 2009. I get irritated when people act like he's had nothing to work with. He's had good, to great teams since joining the wings. He's got one cup. He's not such a super duper coach that its anathema to even consider life after Babcock.