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#2637729 Wings Need on D and Glaring Inconsistencies

Posted by kipwinger on 17 November 2015 - 09:54 PM

I don't believe that we have a "need on D".  We're top ten in the league in 5 on 5 goals against AND top ten in the league on the PK.  Plus out goalies are playing well.  Defensively we're fine. 


You could argue that we need better puck movers, but I'm not really sure that's true either.  While Kronwall isn't playing well, there's no reason to believe that he won't pick it up at some point.  He's consistently produced points throughout his career.  Likewise Green and Kindl are moving the puck well given our offensive woes.  Even Dekeyser is a capable puck mover, albeit not his specialty.  I think a lot of the lack of production from the back end (as well as the forwards) was the result of learning to get comfortable in a new system which asks more of our defensemen than they've previously been expected to contribute.  As the offense picks up steam, and our shot differential improves, so will the defensemen's numbers. 


I do think that it wouldn't hurt to have a power forward type who can bang and crash around the net.  But even that seems less necessary when you consider that Richards' return will likely push AA to the wing and given that Sheahan is currently playing wing (and looking good).  That gives us decent size on the wings for the first time all year. 


However, if we are absolutely sold on acquiring a big, gritty, forward, I'd take a look at Kerby Rychel for Columbus.  He was drafted one spot ahead of Mantha, plays a physical game, and is rumored to be on the block.  Columbus is also rumored to want a defenseman in return, and lord knows we've got a bunch of those.  It's a pretty low risk move even if the kid doesn't pan out. 


Otherwise I'd say stand pat.  We've looked better the last 5-6 games against better competition, we're not slipping in the standings, and I think there's every reason to believe our guys (and coach) are finally finding the right fit for the system they're playing. 

#2637589 11/16 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Senators 3 (OT)

Posted by kipwinger on 16 November 2015 - 11:06 PM

Apparently Kindl took Blashill seriously tonight.  6 shots on goal for the Jak.  I thought he and Marchenko looked strong again tonight.  Green too. 

#2637310 11/16 GDT : Red Wings 4 at Senators 3 (OT)

Posted by kipwinger on 16 November 2015 - 12:39 PM

I realize now that my previous use of Ted Nugent was a bit cavalier.  The Wings just aren't there yet.  This isn't a team that's so good they can goof off.  This is a team that's still on the grind.  And a team on the grind needs something a little more aggressive. 


Wings: 3 (Larkin, Sheahan, Green)

Senators: 1


I'mma rip this s***, till my bones collapse!


#2637294 Jeff Blashill = Dave Lewis 2.0 / Coaching Change

Posted by kipwinger on 16 November 2015 - 11:21 AM


Mr. Winger... for once I agree with you :)


I hope we start to see slow steady improvement soon.


I think we already have.  After our first few games we looked REALLY bad against Carolina, Ottawa, and on our Western Canada road trip.  We looked absolutely abysmal against bad teams. 


Since then I felt we played better, even when the win/loss column didn't reflect it.  We played some pretty good teams recently, and I thought we looked good.  We beat Tampa, beat Toronto (not a good team), lost to Dallas in a closer game than the score indicated, beat Washington in a strong performance, lost a good game to San Jose, and lost a stinker to Boston. 


Lately it seems (with the exception of the Boston game) that we're playing good for periods of time, against pretty good teams.  Earlier in the season we never played good, even against bad teams. 


We're coming along.  It's going to continue to take time.  However, if we can hang around the standings (thankfully we're doing fine so far), I'd expect to see a dramatically better team after the new year. 

#2637290 Jeff Blashill = Dave Lewis 2.0 / Coaching Change

Posted by kipwinger on 16 November 2015 - 11:02 AM

To tell you the truth, I think I'd rather this team struggle to begin the season and finish strong down the stretch. 


Last year the Capitals struggled badly during the first part of the season after Trotz came on board.  Everybody expected immediate improvement considering Trotz is one of the better coaches in the league but presumably  learning a new coach's systems and adjusting to massive personnel turnover took some time.  However, once everything clicked they finished strong and were one of the hottest teams heading into the playoffs. 


We'll find our stride. 

#2637279 11/14 GDT : Red Wings at Boston Bruins, 7:00 EST

Posted by kipwinger on 16 November 2015 - 10:06 AM



Holland is now being criticized for bad trades he was rumored to be considering, but never actually made?


This is getting silly. 


I used to get so annoyed when people said, "Red Wings fans are spoiled".  I thought it was elitist and patronizing.  But there may be something to it when some of our fans are critical of things their GM was rumored to have thought about.  It's not enough that he doesn't make bad trades, he can't even to rumored to have thought about bad trades. 



#2637246 Jeff Blashill = Dave Lewis 2.0 / Coaching Change

Posted by kipwinger on 15 November 2015 - 07:03 PM

He'll get it sorted out.  He's not a bad coach, he just needs to make sure the guys realize that just because they don't play for Babcock anymore, doesn't mean they don't have to play the game the right way. 

#2637242 Jeff Blashill = Dave Lewis 2.0 / Coaching Change

Posted by kipwinger on 15 November 2015 - 06:22 PM

I think the problem is coaching actually.  Or one of the problems anyway.  But not in the way some folks think.  I think we have a bunch of skill guys who, after losing hardass Babcock, thought that meant they had the green light to go out and be ultra cute.  Half our team wants to play like Datsyuk, but don't have the ability.  Babcock demanded that they simply their games, and play more north/south hockey.  And for guys like Tatar, Nyquist, etc. it made them better.  Tatar is a real threat when he's being fiesty and driving the net.  He's got great hands in close.  But he's only an ok player when he's out on the perimeter trying to dangle. 


Like any young coach, I think Blashill has to enforce some accountability.  If he's telling them to play simpler, and they aren't, he needs to make it clear that he's notf****** around.  If he's not telling them that, and he thinks these guys are better when they're being cute, he needs to have his head checked.  There are plenty of skilled, highly effective, hockey players in the league who don't dipsy doodle like Datsyuk does.  He needs to really drive that home. 

#2636885 11/13 GDT | Sharks @ Red Wings | 7:30 PM ET | FSD

Posted by kipwinger on 13 November 2015 - 07:59 PM

I hate Pulkkinen.

#2636831 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by kipwinger on 13 November 2015 - 03:37 PM

Also, the thing that annoys me about articles like that is that it completely ignores the fact that contracts aren't given out for production only. 


Nobody bats an eye when a player with good production (but a bad attitude) makes a little less than they otherwise would.  That just seems normal.  But it seems crazy to everyone involved when a guy with modest point production (but a great attitude) makes a little more than he otherwise would. 


It's not the best contract on earth, but it's a far cry from the worst. 

#2636815 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by kipwinger on 13 November 2015 - 02:08 PM

Nyquist and Tatar are nice wingers, but aside from Larkin, who isn't ready to be the main driver of a first line, who will replace Datsyuk and Zetterberg? If anything has become clear, the team doesn't have any center depth and it's leading to this team being dominated night in and out. When Yzerman et al were on the verge of retirement Zetterberg and Datsyuk already had 4-5 years in the league. Larkin, if we are lucky will have 2-3, and that's just one center. Defense? This team hasn't had a #1 since Lidstrom.


Chicago seems to do pretty well with one elite center and a bunch of good wingers. 


And I completely disagree about the defense too.  Kronwall has consistently put up as good, or better, seasons that guys like Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Suter.  They're all obvious number 1 defensemen, but he's not? 


Seems like you're deliberately distorting things in order to validate your premise, that Holland sucks.  Our team isn't on a "downward spiral".  We've had plenty of good talent over the years.  We've got one of the best prospect pools in the league.  And we're in a healthy cap situation. 


Unless you're the one spinning it.  In which case we're a cellar team, with a garbage prospect pool, and no future. 


lol.  Whatever man.  You win.  We suck. 

#2636810 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by kipwinger on 13 November 2015 - 01:48 PM


Exactly. Get it right :lol:


And we all know that being an assistant GM means jack squat around these parts unless you're Holland's assistant GM. Then you're the real mastermind.


Lol.  Apparently all Holland has to do to get some respect is to personally scout, draft, develop, acquire, train, and coach each and every player on the team.  That's all.  Totally reasonable. 

#2636805 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by kipwinger on 13 November 2015 - 01:32 PM


First, over half of teams make the playoffs. Second, GMs on a rebuilding team may be better than a team that is limping into the playoffs year after year and getting bounced early. No one is questioning his ability to facilitate scouting of forwards, but for the last 8 years the team has been in a downward spiral with no signs of reversing. What has Holland done since 2010 to make this team take the step from bubble team/first round fodder to make them a legit contender?


Which downward spiral?  If anything we've plateaued.  Plateaued as a playoff team.  Which is hardly a "downward spiral". 


Also, I think there are plenty of "signs of reversing".  Nyquist, Dekeyser, Tatar, Larkin?  Are those guys chopped liver?  I thought they were top young players. 


It seems like you're only going to be happy if Holland magically figures out how to transition from prime Datsyuk and Zetterberg to prime someone else without transitioning at all.  Which is absurd. 


Remember the four years between 2002 and 2006 when we were first and second round fodder for teams like Edmonton?  All our established stars were getting old or leaving, and our young guys hadn't stepped up yet?  We were in a downward spiral right? 

#2636799 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by kipwinger on 13 November 2015 - 01:19 PM


First Holland is in the bottom half of GMs in the last 5 years. Too many defenders use his past to defend him, but in sports yesterday is meaningless. It's today that counts. We have to ask ourselves today is this team likely to contend for a cup? And if not are they likely to in the near future (next 5 years). The answer to both of these questions so far is a resounding NO. The team lacks a lot of pieces that are necessary to compete for a cup, and the pieces they have are either getting close to retirement age (Kronwall, Datsyuk, Zetterberg), or are too young to make an impact big enough to replace those who will retire. This is made worse by the fact that Holland has overpaid for replaceable players, which teams like Chicago have shown are exactly the type you can flip for younger cheaper players.


Until Holland does anything to show he's fallen into bubble team complacency he is a mediocre GM as it stands today.


Make the playoffs for the last five years.  Bottom half of GMs.  Lol.  Only on LGW. 

Sure, Holland took over a team full of future HOFers but that was 17 years ago. And the man hasn't had a bad season by any NHL GM's standards EVER. Who even compares? Sather? Lamoriello? They had their share of terrible failure years and made some crappy moves and signings. How about lil' Bowman? He may be enjoying sexy times right now (big thanks to Dale Talon) but let's talk about him in 10 years.


Holland may not have been the best GM last week or in June of this year or two minutes ago, but he is, generally speaking one of the 5 best GMs in the NHL right now, and the best GM over the last 20 years. I M O.


Again, just to clarify.  Holland "took over" a team full of Hall of Famers that HE DRAFTED.  And then he acquired like 5 more Hall of Famers.  The only Hall of Famer he had nothing to do with was Yzerman. 

#2636790 Abby Signs 7-year, 29.75 mil Extension

Posted by kipwinger on 13 November 2015 - 12:53 PM


Who's the Director of Amateur Scouting now?


Look, I didn't say Holland sucks. I said there were numerous factors and people that have contributed to his success. He's not the "OMG Greatest GM EVA!!!" nor is he the turd some make him out to be.


If people can argue that Babcock should have won more Cups in his time in Detroit, the same can be said for Holland.



Tyler Wright.  And he deserves the lion's share of the draft successes and failures since 2013 (mostly successes).  That's how it works.  If Holland is in charge of scouting and drafting players in 1989 (he was) and we have a ton of success in that area, then he gets the credit.  If he's in charge of putting together an NHL roster (and he has been since 1997), and we go to the playoffs every year, the Cup finals 5 times, and win 4 championships, then he deserves credit. 


Holland is demonstrably the most successful GM in the NHL.  By a mile.  More championships, more wins, more playoffs, more everything.  The core of the teams he won with were scouted, drafted, and developed by him.  The key free agent acquisitions during that time?  Him too.  Aside from hiring Scotty Bowman and drafting Yzerman, there was not a single part of those dynasty teams that wasn't directly the result of Ken Holland. 


Lidstrom, Fedorov, Osgood, McCarty, Konstantinov, Larionov, Fetisov, Shanahan, Hasek, Chelios, Hull, Robitaile.  All of them were Red Wings, in one way or another, as a result of Ken Holland. 


And he has the rings to show for it.  Four of them. 

I think Holland could have sent the same message without the NMC. All it does is limit our options down the road and that's just dumb.

Its like Holland's computer autofills the NMC portion into all of his contracts and he doesnt know how to turn that feature off.


Maybe.  But I think people get too hung up on the NTCs.  I've been guilty of it too, so I'm not pointing fingers. 


Who cares if he gives an NTC to a guy he's never going to trade in the first place?  It's a bad idea to give one to Mikael Samuelsson.  It's not a bad idea to give one to Abby.  Holland has no intention of trading him, ever, so why not give him one in exchange for a smaller dollar amount?  It's just negotiating leverage.