I guess I should have clarified a little more as this question was really directed at LeftWinger, as he seemingly does not want to move a goalie prospect, but then I realized that he is seemingly willing to part with Howard. So...
If it's Howard we're trading to Winnipeg, there's no way that I'm including Nyquist and I want Wheeler and Bogosian.
They are desperate for goaltending, and I really think that trading Jimmy is a disservice to this team.
Trading a prospect is not like trading your number one goaltender, but I still would want a combination of players and picks if I'm trading Nyquist + Mrazek. While I don't think that Patterson+Nyquist alone could net a combination of those players, if you add in Kindl, Andersson, and expiring contracts, you may get a combo deal.
Winnipeg is a mess and they need to blow that team up, but I still think they'll only part with maybe two of those core players (Buff + Kane or Wheeler.) ...and Pavelec may be headed to buy out city.
Oh ok, gotcha. I agree though, if I'm trading Jimmy+Nyquist, then I need two studs. If I'm trading Nyquist+Mrazek then I need less, but still nothing shabby.
Regarding trade scenarios, I'm hip if there's even a smidgen of possibility, based on anything at all tangible. Hypothetical dream scenarios don't belong on the main board ... but that's not my call.
Again, I don't think there's a chance at a Howard trade ... at all.
I joined the forum to read and discuss news about my favorite NHL team. Something I find I can do to some extent, if I'm willing to wade through the pollution that really doesn't need to exist on the main board.
Get er done Kenny! Cleary sucks!
We're all awful sorry that our discussions bother you so much. In the future we'll do our best to make sure that your experience here is a good one. Lords knows how aggravating it must be for you to watch all us peons befuddling ourselves over irrelevant flights of fancy. I mean, how could you not look down your nose with an air of elitist contempt while surrounded by all us low brow hayseeds. You poor man.
I think Holland will push for Girardi but I hear reports that NY wants way too much for a UFA. Realistically it should take Quincey for salary reasons, a pick and a mid tier prospect and that's a lot. Not having Kindl and Quincey playing and adding a guy like Girardi would make our D look much better.
I don't think Howard getting traded is a possibility for at least a year or two
Alot of rumor sites have him going super high, if he gets traded at all. But in all the rumors I've seen about Girardi, I've never seen Detroit linked to him (for what that's worth).
Has there ever been one time where any of these dreamed up trade scenarios has ever come true?
I don't think we necessarily have to part with our all-star starting goalie in order to land a top defenseman. Everyone seems to believe we have absolutely no tradable assets...and yet, many of us then turn around and talk up our amazingly deep and promising prospect pool. Or express frustration with Smith, because he kinda sucks, but he's such a *young and promising puck-moving offensive defenseman with size and some snarl who should be a force to be reckoned with in a few years*, but he kinda sucks, so no one would want him anyway. Or say:
We almost had Edler not long ago, but Gillis wanted four pieces and Holland would only part with three. (*facepalm*) And that was before this season. Perhaps, with the season Edler's having, and with the Canucks' window just about closed, Gillis might be more willing to move him, and for a slightly smaller return than before. Edler would have to sign off on the trade, but I think he'd be ok with playing for this team.
And then there's free agency. Not that we should assume that we'll be able to simply buy a top defenseman (see: Suter, Ryan), especially with this whole stupid re-sign trend. (Test the waters, wimps!) But the cap *should* be going up, and we *should* be shedding a number of players. So, we *should* be extremely aggressive, provided we haven't traded for anyone.
*EDIT*: I'd like to add that we don't necessarily need a #1 or a #2 or maybe even a #3. Kronwall, Ericsson, DeKeyser is a pretty good top three, and losing Quincey should be a case of addition by subtraction. I mean, like I've said elsewhere and more or less said here, I'd like us to aggressively pursue both an Edler and a Girardi, with a vengeance. Because it's the Cup. But we don't necessarily needa *top defenseman*.
We've got plenty enough assets to make a meaningful trade, maybe two. The thing is, to do that you've got to give something of value and in the past when LGW members say we've got nothing to trade it's because they don't want to give anything up. It's akin to saying "We've got nothing to trade because I'd rather not trade our 1st, or Smith, or Nyquist, or Tatar, or any of our top prospects."
And it's perfectly true that if you exclude everything of value on our team then we've got nothing to trade.
Well I think the values are off. In your post you said you'd rather have a top ten d-man than a top ten goalie, which I agree with. Problem is, Jimmy Howard won't get you a top ten d-man. He'd likely get you a top pair guy, but there are lots of top pair guys who aren't top ten. If all you're getting is a top pair guy (and we've already got two) then why trade someone as important as Howie when you could trade a less important piece and get a second pair guy (which is exactly where any new addition will be playing anyway) and not lose your starting goalie?
Basically, Jimmy will get you a good d-man, but not a great one. And good defensemen can be had for a lot less than Jimmy Howard.
Make the deal for Ladd AND Bfuglien today! Get it done Kenny! Hell, throw Bogosian in as well!
Byfuglien is terrible and Babcock would probably shoot him if he played for our team. However, any of Wheeler, Ladd, or Bogosian would be welcome. I'm curious, if the rumors are true, who we were calling about.
Geesh, people are getting pretty worked up over a game in which we just lost 1-0 to one of the best teams in the league...with a depleted roster. Take it easy guys, as far as recent Wings games go, this one is a gem.