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#2530395 What's best for Mantha?

Posted by Dabura on 07 July 2014 - 12:09 PM

If Dan Daniel Danny Cleary returns and Anthony Mantha starts the season in GR, the whole world can go get bent.




#2530351 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by Richdg on 07 July 2014 - 09:08 AM

 

The way I see it, Holland is reluctant to give the younger players a chance at all.  He leaves that as the last possible resort in most cases.  If the Wings hadn't gone through all the injuries in 2012/13, we would not have seen Tatar, Nyquist, or Andersson at all.  It would have been Helm, Bertuzzi, and Samuelsson.  Lashoff wasn't in the plans, but they had to call him up and use him a lot.  The Wings didn't seem to have any plans on using DeKeyser when they signed him, he was set to be GR-bound after a few days, but an opening presented itself and he had practiced well.  In 13/14, we would not have seen Sheahan, Jurco, or Glendening at all, Nyquist may have been buried in the minors all season, and Tatar, Andersson, DeKeyser, and Lashoff wouldn't have had their previous experience.  This summer, Almquist is leaving for the KHL without having a chance to show whether he is or isn't capable of playing in the NHL.  Callahan and Ferraro are out of waiver exemptions and have 1 and 4 NHL games, respectively, on their resumes.

Lately, I think Holland's moves are the comfortable ones for him, not the "right" moves.  I'll skip the misery of the 2012 off-season, but that wasn't his only shortcoming.  He gave up a 2nd-round pick, a valued prospect, and a depth forward in exchange for Legwand, who turned out to be a rental... yes, they needed a center for a few games, but he ended up being a 4th-line winger as soon as those centers started to come back.  was it worth both the pick and the prospect?  That trade helped keep the playoff streak alive, so maybe it was worth it financially and for pride, but it gives them two less pieces with which to build.  Re-signing Bertuzzi back when he did, in February 2012, was poorly timed IMO, but again, it's someone Holland was comfortable with.  Keeping Cleary around last year, when he'd been awful for 2 seasons and the club had no roster or payroll space to do so, was a bad move... and now they're talking about ANOTHER contract?  Keeping Quincey was a knee-jerk reaction to failing on every free agent they talked to.  Yes, it "buys time" for either Holland to make another move (he won't) or for the prospect D to develop a little more, but unless there's a corresponding move where Kindl is shipped out of town, it's not a good deal.

I don't think there will be an upswing this year.  A healthy Datsyuk and Zetterberg should help, but if you look at it, last year, with both in the lineup earlier in the year, the Wings weren't in a playoff position.  It's after Datsyuk went out that they started to make their push, and solidified that position with Zetterberg out also.  They did that on the shoulders of a motivated Franzen (after someone pissed him off with a cheapshot) and the young guys that Holland didn't want in Detroit.

Unless a move, or moves, are made later in the summer, we're looking at almost exactly the same roster that lost to Boston in 5 games, struggled to score, and couldn't handle the better opponent.  There are no additions, only subtractions--Legwand, Bertuzzi, and possibly Alfredsson and Cleary.  How is that inspiring at all?


 

Sometimes different is all it takes.  New voice, fresh blood, different look.

 

Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results?  That's the definition of insanity.

Josh, you are spot on. All those young players that Holland is so reluctant to trade, he didn't want in detroit. He was FORCED to call them up and play them because all of his UFA signing and guys he gave long tern deals to got hurt.

So many want to blame the training staff for our injuries, why not to guy that brought in a bunch of injury prone players? How long has Betr had a bad back? hank? Will Helm ever play more than 70 games again? Sammy the walking MASH ward, etc...... Add in the age of these guys, no wonder why we have 3 seasons in a row filled with injuries. Who put together this roster?

I have said it for 2 years, either build a team for one or 2 more serious runs at the Cup for D and Z, or get rid of the old crap and rebuild. We are doing neither. Which would be more exciting right now? making the PO's and losing in the 1st round, or drafting McDavid? Which would be better for the 2020 season? It isn't possible to do both.....




#2530004 Hockey News: Red Wings D hunting

Posted by MileHighWingsGuy on 04 July 2014 - 05:15 PM

Holland trading for Defense this year will be just like last years Holland trading to get rid of the glut of forwards...it just never happens. Holland washed his hands of free

agency when he re-signed Quincey. It was his way of saying there we're set. Every year whether at the trade deadline or free agency we wait for a big move and it just never comes.

I hope no one is waiting this year, it won't happen until we get a new GM.




#2529806 Hollands new contract a no brainer?

Posted by frankgrimes on 03 July 2014 - 03:04 PM

Original 6 franchise, formerly known as the destination for UFAs and now the reality...so yeah this is really a no brainer. He has an eye for talent so let him move up become the VP and guide the new GM. We really blew it with Stevie and Jim.

 

As for Babcock easiest decision ever, the guy will have half the league looking for him and he has the chance to coach Crosby and Malkin during their prime years, sadly for us this is also a no-brainer. Guy will be gone as soon as his contract is up and I don't blame him one bit, Holland hasn't given him the tools to succeed.




#2529393 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 02 July 2014 - 10:47 AM

I'll say this: Holland did as well as he could with his offers to other FA that chose to go elsewhere - besides maybe Gilbert which could have been a cheap improvement and still left room for the top-2 or -4 defenseman we were seeking. Despite his compounded failure to "nut-up" in previous off-seasons, I honestly believe he did all within his power to get the players we needed this off-season (given the current sad state of the team, which is his doing). If they don't want to come here, you can't force them and shouldn't grossly overpay them.

 

However, there is absolutely ZERO excuse for the Quincey signing. That is disappointment turning into full-blown, unavoidable, mature, objective, and justified RAGE. Holland did what he always does when he misses out on his target: slaps some tape and shoe-polish on trash and tries to pass it off as a "bargain" or a "consolation prize". We aren't getting the sirloin because they ran out of prime rib; we've been fed a steady diet of cold spam. For that, Holland should be replaced.




#2529052 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by SwedeLundin77 on 01 July 2014 - 07:37 PM

Guys, it's only a 2 year deal. If we signed someone as a FA, we'd have to pay more and for a longer term. For a defenceman who plays 20 minutes a night, it's a good contract. Quincey would have got more if he hit the open market.


It's irrelevant how much he'd get on the open market. He is terrible, we'd be better off with Sproul or Ouellet.


#2529047 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by Crashnburnluder on 01 July 2014 - 07:34 PM

Guys, it's only a 2 year deal. If we signed someone as a FA, we'd have to pay more and for a longer term. For a defenceman who plays 20 minutes a night, it's a good contract. Quincey would have got more if he hit the open market.


Oh no, pay ehrhoff the same or niskanen 1.5 more lol..... There is no way any one can defend holland on this, and say it was the best move for this team and organization.


#2529031 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by evilmrt on 01 July 2014 - 07:23 PM

So...

Are we supposed to let Chris Ilitch know how upset we are about this?

At what point do we voice our displeasure? Our beloved Winged Wheel is being run into the ground by a buffoon.


#2529024 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by BadgerBob on 01 July 2014 - 07:19 PM

I leave to go to the gym for an hour and a half and I come back to this s***?! What the hell is Kenny's problem? This guy is absolute trash and you give him a raise? I'd rather they just play the kids than sign this waste of space. Kenny needs to be fired. NOT PROMOTED. Promotions are for people who actually earn it by doing well in their previous position. I can't stand this anymore. I know I'm spoiled because I am only 25 and missed the dead wings years, but I've never been more embarrassed to say I'm a Wings fan. I wish I could be as horrible at my job as Kenny and Kyle here and not get fired, or better yet get a raise..must be nice.!




#2529021 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by dirtydangles on 01 July 2014 - 07:18 PM

Somebody wake me up from this nightmare. I dont know how anyone can defend holland anymore. Its time to take him out behind the shed and end this. He is a record stuck on repeat. Ownership is loyal to a fault - this s*** shouldnt fly.


#2528987 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by ben_usmc on 01 July 2014 - 06:59 PM

What a pathetic GM Holland has turned out to be.  To bad we couldn't get rid of thisf****** scrub of a manager during the lock out..




#2528980 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by GoWings1905 on 01 July 2014 - 06:56 PM

Actually, we'll probably be a middle of the pack team again. Woohoo exciting.


Worst place to be in hockey. The Wings are turning into the Calgary Flames. Lingering in mediocrity and Holland is content to keep the playoff streak alive. Honestly, it will never happen, but shouldn't the Wings consider moving Z and/or Pavel? They aren't true contenders and aren't bad enough to get high draft picks to make an immediate impact (or they rot in Grand Rapids for four years anyways). I don't know, after today, I'm at a loss. Feel like it might be time to just tear it down entirely and rebuild.


#2528970 Quincey re-signed by DET. 2 yr s $4.25 mill AAV

Posted by Mors on 01 July 2014 - 06:51 PM

I've generally been quiet and tried to avoid any sensational posts...but damn...Quincey again, with a raise? I would have been happier signing no one. Was Jim Nill the real brains of this operation?




#2528186 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by Nyquistfan14 on 01 July 2014 - 01:36 PM


Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun  7s

Antron Stralman, $20 M over five years with Tampa Bay Lightning


Good deal for them
The wings defense is gonna be awful next season


#2528117 2014 Offseason League Signings and Trades

Posted by CMatt89 on 01 July 2014 - 01:19 PM

The real loser over the last 5 years is pavel datsyuk.