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#2200402 Draper or Hudler?

Posted by eva unit zero on 22 July 2011 - 01:50 PM

*GRAND ENTRANCE*

*applause*

Thank you all, and yes, now the real fun begins.


Poll: Draper or Hudler? (54 member(s) have cast votes)
Who would you rather have on the Red Wings?

Draper (26 votes [54.17%] - View)

Hudler (22 votes [45.83%] - View)

So here's my breakdown:
21 people are looking at this logically and chose Hudler
1 person (eva) chose Hudler, well, because, come on...

16 people have irrational Hudler hate and would take a goat on skates over him at this point
6 people love Draper and are rational people, but would admit they want Draper back just because of the love for him and would admit Hudler is a better option at this stage, but still chose Draper
4 people are still stuck in the late 90's and think Shanahan and Fedorov are still viable options and don't even know half the guys on the current team


I was actually the 42nd person to vote for Hudler. It put them into a tie at 42 each.

Actually I only chose Hudler so I would have a reason to post things about how awesome Filppula is. :(


Irrelevant to the question. Filppula is clearly more valuable than either. Draper won't even play regularly if you bring him back and waive Hudler. Filppula is better than Draper defensively, he's more important to the penalty kill, and he's better offensively. And while both Hudler and Filppula would be regulars, Filppula is more important for the reasons I listed above, plus his advantage in that he is a more capable NHL center, and better on faceoffs. Hudler is better offensively, but not so much that a powerful team like the Wings couldn't make the sacrifice of Hudler to get a more solid two-way player like Filppula.

As for Huds vs Draper...

Are you guys on crack???

Draper's skills are that he's good on faceoffs, he's a pretty decent penalty killer, and he's fast.

Let's compare that to the rest of the roster.

Faceoffs: Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Helm, Franzen, and Abdelkader all are capable faceoff men. Draper is not really a significant upgrade, if at all, over any of them.
PK: Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Cleary, Filppula, Abdelkader, Miller, Helm, and Eaves are all better penalty killers.

So ultimately, Draper brings speed. So does Chris Conner. Better speed than Draper, and he's younger. And signed. And there's Helm and Mursak also. Eaves and Cleary also have excellent speed. So why is Draper necessary, regardless of Hudler?

Let's look at what Hudler brings.

Hudler has a very good shot, is an excellent playmaker, and has incredible offensive awareness.

Shot: Zetterberg, Franzen, Datsyuk have better shots. Cleary, Bertuzzi, and Eaves also have good shots.
Playmaking: Datsyuk and maybe Zetterberg are better. Filppula is good also.
Offensive awareness: Datsyuk and again, maybe Zetterberg are better.

So as you can see, Hudler brings more to the team that Draper. By a fairly wide margin. If both were to have the same statistical performances they did last year, Hudler would be the more valuable player. Draper would be the #14 forward. Hudler would be one of the team's more productive scorers. If Hudler performs more along the lines of his second half last year and his 2008-09 season, he would be finishing third on the team in scoring. Second if Dats or Z misses a lot of games again this year.

So... A solid scorer who could be one of the team leaders in goals and points if he plays like he has in the recent past, or a spare part? And half have voted spare part. I suppose this makes sense from people who were upset that a ridiculously overpaid McCarty was cut loose after the lockout.



#2200361 Draper or Hudler?

Posted by Learn2LuvIt on 22 July 2011 - 12:13 PM

Hudler. No question.


#2200347 Draper or Hudler?

Posted by Aussie_Wing on 22 July 2011 - 11:32 AM

Hudler by so far it's not even funny.


#2200159 Draper or Hudler?

Posted by Green Wing on 21 July 2011 - 03:34 PM

Hudler, easily.


#2197655 RFA/UFA Signings

Posted by eva unit zero on 09 July 2011 - 11:08 PM

Well since the post above is the first time EVER I have mentioned Semin, I don't think that I am SO concerned with getting him....BUT I would for sure take Semin and Emmerton over Hudler and Filppula! It would give us a legit top 6 sniper, it would give Helm the 3rd line center position (which should be his anyhow) and give Abdelkader the 4th line center spot, plus give Emmerton and Mursak more playig time with only 13 fwds instead of 14. The loss of Filppula and Hudler's combined salary would nearly wash out Semin's so Holland would still have a ton of money for a deadline acquisition...(if needed)

Of course I'd take a broken Koho for Hudler...


Helm already plays 3rd line ice time. You do realize that lines fluctuate throughout the game and season, right?

As for the sniper thing; Semin being on the team instead of Filppula and Hudler would lead to less offense and thinner offense. Do you want to have a team with an offense deep and skilled enough to win the Cup, or a team with a few star players that may not be able to?

We're not talking NBA here. You don't just stack up as many superstars as you can and it automatically works. I thought you knew this stuff, given how much time you dedicate to arguing about things you can't influence. But just so I can get this straight, you think Hudler is a *****, right? And you want to replace him with Semin? Can I get you to confirm for me that you'd rather have Semin than a *****?



#2197711 Arbitration Hearing Dates

Posted by RusDRW on 10 July 2011 - 02:59 PM

why should we care? None of these will play for the Red Wings next season and I think most of them will be signed by those dates. Especially, Parise and Weber.


#2195498 Defensive pairings

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 02 July 2011 - 06:05 PM

Lidstrom-Ericsson
Kronwall-Stuart
Kindl-White
Commodore


#2195454 Defensive pairings

Posted by FunkedUp on 02 July 2011 - 05:10 PM

Kindl and Smith are going to be the odd-men out on this one, unless there's a trade in the works.

Lidstrom-White
Kronwall-Stuart
Ericsson-Commodore


#2194343 RFA/UFA Signings

Posted by dragonballgtz on 01 July 2011 - 02:52 PM

Unless he is saving money for the trade deadline I don't understand what he's doing today

I will say I think Holland has dropped the ball so far this off-season.


#2190547 Bergfors not qualified by Fla

Posted by stevkrause on 27 June 2011 - 07:43 PM

So much potential and I just think bad situations for this kid, I'd like to see the Wings take a flier on this kid if there's any chance he'll sign a 2 way deal... if not, I'm not comfortable with giving him a roster spot(barring waivers obviously), but given the right circumstances, why the hell not? at bare minimum, come August if he still has no home, extend a training camp invite to him...

EDIT - Sections bolded for those that seem to overlook them completely when replying.


#2190420 Bieksa re-signs with vancouver

Posted by jollymania on 27 June 2011 - 03:01 PM

i didn't want bieksa, wisniewski is who i want


#2189936 2011 NHL Draft: Rounds 2-7 Discussion

Posted by Aussie_Wing on 26 June 2011 - 09:30 AM

In say 4-5 years...

Filppula - Datsyuk - Franzen
Tatar - Zetterberg - Jurco
Nyquist - Jarnkrok - Pulkkinen
Abdealkder - Helm - Mursak

Sheahan, Andersson, Ferraro all there or there abouts too.

Scary. Obviously a few what if's, but still...


#2189912 Habs shopping Wisniewksi's rights + for a 2nd rounder

Posted by brett on 26 June 2011 - 04:48 AM

id be pretty bummed if wiz isnt a wing this season


#2189425 Habs shopping Wisniewksi's rights + for a 2nd rounder

Posted by kylee on 25 June 2011 - 01:12 AM

I'd like to trade Hudler to free up some roster/cap space and I don't think we'd get much more than a 2nd for him. We got Stuart for a 2nd and a 4th and Stuart > Hudler.


Why is everyone so quick to send off Hudler after one bad season? He deserves at least up until next season's trade deadline before he is moved. If he is sucking up to that point, then i'm for him being traded, but until then, people gotta get off his back. He (and Filppula) were huge assets when the Wings won the Cup in 08.


#2189352 2011 NHL Draft: Round 1 Discussion

Posted by Johnny Diamonds on 24 June 2011 - 10:35 PM

kenny wanted biggs but as soon as burke traded for that pick kenny knew he was taking him. then kenny got on the phone immediately and traded the pick away for the two 2nd rounders. thats my theory anyways.


Here's my theory, Holland knows all the smallish undersized soft non-physical players they are targeting will still be there in the 2nd round.