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#2240928 Cole suspended three games

Posted by cprice12 on 03 January 2012 - 08:32 AM

As I mentioned, I'm not overly upset with the suspension as it was a hit to the head. And if Abdelkader did slow down at the last moment, like Cole said, it's still a dangerous play.
But again, if Abdelkader didn't see Cole, then what was he doing with the puck? It looked to me like he slid the puck past the defense when he picked up Cole at the last moment, and was going to go get it after slipping past Cole...or he was just getting rid of the puck before getting hit. Obviously I'm reading into it some, but from playing hockey for 20 years, that's how I saw that play developing. If Abdelkader never saw Cole, he wouldn't have given up the puck like he did. From experience, I say Abdelkader saw Cole at the last moment and had enough time to react with the puck...and logic would also tell you that Abdelkader may have changed speeds as well.

Anyway, like I said, what I'm more annoyed with is the lack of a call on Datsyuk. You guys can spin that hit however you like, but Datsyuk lunged up and into Jackman's face on the hit. That's how I saw it. It should have at least been reviewed. If Shanny reviews it and deems it a legal hit, then ok...but at least review it as it was a hit to the head.
And I'm not sure why anyone is surprised or upset that Jackman was upset...he was hit in the face and wanted a call, and was pissed when he didn't get one. Not shocking there at all.

And as far as the crosschecks that Jackman gave Datsyuk, if you guys had read what I said earlier in the thread, or in the GDT...forgot which one...I said I have no idea why Jackman wasn't penalized for that..he should have been...bad no call. But that's not really the issue as what he did wasn't suspension worthy anyway. But if you want to get into "should have been penalties that aren't suspension worthy", we can go back to when Howard wrongly jumped on Perron a couple games back and gave him a shot or two to the face with no penalty at all.

We can debate this all day...maybe I'll just agree to disagree with you guys.

#2240734 Cole suspended three games

Posted by cprice12 on 02 January 2012 - 01:48 PM


Dats got both the head and the body. Cole did not. This is a very important detail when supplemental disciple is applied. The Dats play is a 2 min minor (much like the Jackman cross-checks before the hit), and the Cole play is a suspension. Watch the NHL videos on suspendable/non-suspendable hits and you will see this differentiation.

According to Cole, he had Abdelkader lined up but Abdelkader moved at the last moment, exposing only his head to the check.
Those are Cole's words...and the replays back that up as it looks like Abdelkader tries to slide the puck by Cole and slip by him.
That should also be an important detail when discipline is applied. Which brings me back to my statement of the game being too fast to eliminate those types of hits, which is the goal by using suspensions against players who commit those hits. Players need to be aware of where they are on the ice. Abdelkader had his head down as he received a pass from behind in the neutral zone. He has to expect a hit there, like Shanny said. That's a suicide pass.

But whatever, I don't have a problem Cole being suspended as it was a hit to the head and that is the rule...I do have an issue with the number of games. Three seems excessive based on other suspensions this year for the same amount of games or less.

And until there is the same standard for suspensions on star players as there is for lesser known players, the system is severely flawed. The fact it was Datsyuk (annual Lady Byng candidate and superstar player) that threw the hit had a lot to do with him not getting a penalty and not getting a suspension. If Jackman hits Datsyuk like that, he gets a penalty and probably suspended.

And don't tell me that an elbow or shoulder to the head is ok as long as you get the body too. That's simply not the case. If the head targeted and the principal point of contact, it doesn't matter if contact with the body is made. Datsyuk lunged up into Jackman's face, hitting his head with his shoulder. I fail to see how Jackman's head wasn't targeted on that play. The Detroit announcers even said he threw a shoulder to his head.

Then how did Cole miss HIS ENTIRE BODY?

He had his head down, but picks up Cole at the last second as he tries to slide the puck by Cole and slip by him. That's how it looks to me.
If not, what was he trying to do with the puck if he never saw Cole?

#2240726 Cole suspended three games

Posted by cprice12 on 02 January 2012 - 01:14 PM

Jackman had his head down, end of story.


Abdelkader had his head down as well.

#2240086 12/30 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Blackhawks 3

Posted by GoWings1905 on 30 December 2011 - 11:22 PM

i love the way hossa plays as well but i can never forget the way he played for us in the playoffs.

if he was even decent in those playoffs we could have waltzed our way to the cup.

not saying that a non existent franzen is any better though.

I don't disagree, but he was playing hurt too. When healthy, there isn't one thing Franzen is better at than Hossa unless you count being invisible October-April.

#2240077 12/30 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Blackhawks 3

Posted by GoWings1905 on 30 December 2011 - 11:16 PM

No matter what, I will always despise Franzen and Hudler and will never get over the fact that they kept Franzen over Hossa.

I couldn't agree more. I despised the decision in 2009 and nights like this one only further that belief. Hossa was everywhere tonight and a force at both ends. Easily the most noticeable player on either team. It would be really nice if Franzen could show half that effort in a game sometime in the next couple months. You can't even deny it isn't an effort thing with Franzen because he's one of the best goal scorers in the league when he shows up. Problem is those games are few and far between.

Beyond that, the ice was horrible and the refs were even worse. Six penalties to one and the double standard with goaltender interference is infuriating. Once again, the Red Wings intensity and attention to detail was lacking on the road. Zetterberg's line was awful in defensive coverage.

Another tough challenge tomorrow night. At least it's a home game.

#2240058 12/30 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Blackhawks 3

Posted by brett on 30 December 2011 - 11:01 PM

this team needs more offense.

not much offensive pressure against a weak defense and goalie

#2240056 12/30 GDT : Red Wings 2 at Blackhawks 3

Posted by Guest on 30 December 2011 - 11:01 PM

Refs were ridiculous as usual but you could tell the Wings got outskated. Franzenf****** sucks

#2239799 Datsyuk #1 on TSN's Top-Ten Most Skilled Active Players

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 30 December 2011 - 11:42 AM

Crosby is too high on their list.


I don't know about that. He should be up around where is now. The dude just has the game figured out on the offensive end.

#2239795 Datsyuk #1 on TSN's Top-Ten Most Skilled Active Players

Posted by esteef on 30 December 2011 - 11:39 AM

Crosby is too high on their list.


#2239755 Datsyuk #1 on TSN's Top-Ten Most Skilled Active Players

Posted by Red Wings Addict on 30 December 2011 - 02:38 AM



A little because Pav isn't Canadian.

#2239630 Datsyuk #1 on TSN's Top-Ten Most Skilled Active Players

Posted by P. Marlowe on 29 December 2011 - 05:15 AM

"When I learn in Russia it's like we have one puck there, it's not many puck there, and the (something?) always be: 'Protect your puck.'"

A Datsyukian sense of humour.

#2239301 12/27 GDT : Blues 2 at Red Wings 3

Posted by MotorCityMadness on 27 December 2011 - 09:10 PM

At what point does it become obvious that Ericsson is not an NHL player?

EDIT: Nice shot Lids!

#2238415 Jimmy Howard - "Iím just sick and tired of getting run over.

Posted by dobbles on 22 December 2011 - 07:09 PM

That is the answer, but that is also where the problem lies. Every defensman we have is in the mold of Lidstrom. Of all of the defensman, who do you expect to do what you are asking them to do? Keeping Lids out of the equation, I can name you 5 other's that aren't: Kronwall, Stuart, Kindl, White & Ericsson. That leaves noone. So until Babs puts away his pride and give Commodore a legit shot at playing or Holland gets off the soft-euro train and actually gets that type of defensman, then it isn't going to happen and Jimmy will wind up hurt one day and then we'll be stuck with Conklin/MacDonald for the playoffs. That is until someone runs one of them into an injury. Don't get me wrong, it's fine to have some of your defenders in the mold of Lidstrom, as a matter of fact, you NEED them, but draw the line at Lidstrom, Stuart, White and Kronwall. Ericsson is hot garbage and even though Kindl has been very solid, he is just another soft European player. I am not bashing just the Euro's, if they had a Euro that would hit and defend his team, that would be great, but Holland likes a certain type whether they are Euro or North American, and that is what we have. I am not saying Commodore is the answer either, but JHC, let's see if he is, eh?!?! I don't believe in Smith personally, but if he is the answer, let's bring his ass up here, sit Ericsson, and let's see if he can make his presence felt. We cannot argue with the teams record, but one of these times Datsyuk or Howard gets hit, they aren't going to get up...

oh i agree with what you are saying. i just think our dmen should be expected to stand up for him. a huge dude like ericsson should be expected to protect howard and if he doesn't he should get called out by babcock, teammates, holland, fans, ken and mick or whomever... same goes for stuart and kronwall. both are guys that are physical players. they can't be shying away from after the whistle stuff. the defensemen we have are good players, i just think they should be expected to stand up for their team. and the people that matter don't hold them accountable.

#2238278 Jimmy Howard - "Iím just sick and tired of getting run over.

Posted by redwingfan19 on 22 December 2011 - 11:42 AM

Although I agree 100% the personnel on this team is not capable of doing that since they are so soft and have no guts.

It has gone past pathetic and has now turned into a laughing stock.

Sure the Wings will win there fair share of games but teams know, and have known, that you can get away with murder against the Wings for years now and will continue to do so.

#2237801 Howard 5th in ASG voting in goalies

Posted by cprice12 on 21 December 2011 - 03:49 PM

Such bulls*** that he isn't on the ballot being the leader in wins at this juncture for f***'s sake.

Wins alone say very little about how well a goalie is playing. A goalie can rack up the wins with a 2.75 GAA as long as the team in front of him is scoring in bunches.

Howard's GAA and Save % say a lot more about his play.

Elliot has been the best goaltender in the NHL this year (leads the league in shutouts, GAA and Save %) and he's not on the ballot, nor is he getting any love from write in votes either...which is crazy and says a lot about how it's not about how good you are playing but how popular you are... but that's something I'm fine with...I'd rather he rest up.

You guys should probably be hoping Howard doesn't make the ASG. He's started 28 out of 32 games so far and is on pace to start 72 games this season...that's a lot...one could say that's too many. That would be far more than he has ever started in a season. He could use the rest I am sure.