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#2300113 Chances of landing Parise?

Posted by Guest on 08 May 2012 - 02:30 PM

*FACEPALM*


#2300022 Suter most likely out of Nashville

Posted by Dimaline312000 on 08 May 2012 - 09:01 AM

Wouldn't mind having Suter here in Detorit. He'd be a nice fit I do believe!!


#2300018 Suter most likely out of Nashville

Posted by Diluvian04 on 08 May 2012 - 08:42 AM

Jim Diamond of the examiner just said on XM 92 that he is willing to bet that Suter is done in Nashville. Stating that "Nashville through truck loads of money at him to sign and he turned it down" He said Suter has indicated that he has a desire to play elsewhere. If that's true then so much for the speculation of having both Suter and Parise in Nashville.


#2298395 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by Buppy on 30 April 2012 - 10:16 PM

Is this sarcasm?

T-31st, T-34th, Injured but pace would have put him around 25th-35th, T-16th, T-42nd.

That's where Franzen has been in goal scoring the past five years. That is top line goal scoring. Perhaps you are equating the term to "elite-in-the-league-sniper". It's not the same thing. He is definitely the former, and definitely not the latter.


#2298095 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by Buppy on 29 April 2012 - 09:05 PM

I know you are trying to defend Franzen, but do you honestly believe what you turned his post into?

Because if you do, then let me remind you of something. Wings were pretty much ONE goalpost away from a back to back Stanley Cup win in 2009. I'd say they did pretty damn good that playoff....yet, to this day, hardly NOBODY forgives Hossa for not scoring 50 goals in the playoffs...despite having 6 goals amongst 15 points (only 8 behind Franzen that playoff BTW)

Man I wish Holland had chosen Hossa over Franzen that off season.....oh well. Now noone will take his God awful contract and in 3-4 years when he his only scoring 15-20 points per season, the only way out will be to buy him out...

Sorry, are you trying to use Hossa to show that people do not unreasonably scapegoat players when we lose?

We had a good playoff that year, but we did lose. Certainly once we went up 3-2 in the finals we expected to win, and the dissapointment was every bit as bad (or worse to some) than the losses since. Hossa did have a decent playoff (though below expectations), and people still use him (and Stuart) as scapegoats. That is exactly the type of thing I'm suggesting is happening to Franzen now.

And you really wish we had Hossa instead? An extra $1.3M cap hit, and a year longer...for fewer goals? How many points did Hossa score in the Blackhawk's first-round loss?

Franzen is a 30-goal scorer at a 30-goal scorer price (less actually, but fair when considering term, and especially considering we had to re-sign him at a high-value point). Sure he's 'soft', and plays too much on the perimeter. Just not nearly to the extent some people suggest. Expectations are too high, based pretty much solely on a few anomolies (Colorado series, 5 goal game...). But whatever, I'm not going to get into some big, pointless debate with people who are looking for someone to hate. You'll get over it or you wont. At least he's a player who matters, rather than the typical LGW 4th-liner/3rd-pairing/backup goalie whipping boy.


#2297846 So I had an idea for the WC jerseys

Posted by Doc Holliday on 28 April 2012 - 12:26 PM

Meh, doesn't exactly embody the idea of "classic" to me.


#2297965 Your favorite moments of the season

Posted by esteef on 29 April 2012 - 11:06 AM

Mine was when the Mule came alive during the playoffs. Oh wait!

esteef


#2297680 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by Jersey Wing on 27 April 2012 - 06:27 PM

Posted Image

I come to the rink in the evening light,
Mike Babcock says "When you gonna skate your shifts right?"
Oh Mikey Dear
I'm not the hard working one,

And Mules,
They wanna have fu-un.
Oh, Mules,
Just wanna have fun.

The phone rings in the middle of the night,
Nick Lidstrom yells "When you gonna learn to fight for your ice?"
Oh Nicklas dear
You know you're still number one,

But Mules,
They wanna have fu-un,
Oh, Mules, just wanna have
That's all they really want.....
Some fun....

When the hockey game is done,
Oh, Mules,
They wanna have fu-un,
Oh, Mules,
Just wanna have fun....

Mules,
They want,
Wanna have fun.
Mules,
Wanna have

Some teams take a beautiful Mule,
And pay him more than rest of the world.
I wanna be the one to walk in the (Toronto) Sun.

Oh, Mules,
They wanna have fu-un.
Oh, Mules,
Just wanna have
That's all they really want.....
Some fun....

When the hockey game is done,
Oh, Mules,
They wanna have fu-un.
Oh, Mules,
Just wanna have fun...

Mules,
They want,
Wanna have fun.
Mules,
Wanna have.

They just wanna,
They just wanna.....
They just wanna,
(Oh....)
They just wanna.....
(Girls just wanna have fun...)
Oh...

Mules just wanna have fu-un...
They just wanna,
They just wanna....
They just wanna,
They just wanna....
(Oh...)
They just wanna...
(They just wanna have fun...)
Mules just wanna have fu-un...

When the hockey',
When the hockey game is done.
Oh, when the hockey game is done,
Oh, Mules...
Mules,
Just wanna have fu-un...

They just wanna,
They just wanna....
They just wanna,
They just wanna have fun...

Mules just wanna have fu-un..
They just wanna,
They just wanna....
They just wanna,
They just wanna....
(Have fun..)

They just wanna,
(Mules wanna have fun)
They just wanna....
Oh, Mules...
(Wanna have fun....)
Mules just wanna have fu-un.


They just wanna,
They just wanna....


#2297668 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 27 April 2012 - 05:19 PM

Johan Franzen is a good complimentary goal scorer. He shouldn't be relied upon to carry the offensive load for any team. This year and last year he was expected to do that and he obviously can't be that guy. But with a 4 million cap hit and the numbers he puts up, I'm happy for him to be out there for forward scoring depth. Bring in Parise and Franzen gets less defensive pressure and the offense returns, it's really that simple. Anybody else notice that Franzen's career regular and post season's came when Hossa was drawing the tougher defensive assignments? Again, COMPLIMENTARY.

Seeing Franzen in the last few seasons, whether he is drawing the tougher defensive match-up or not thanks to being on a line with Datsyuk, its not like the guy is spending all his time checking and back-checking. In fact, I don't think I've seen him do so in a long time. He floats, offensive zone or defensive zone. He stops doing that and THEN his production, and really, his overall effectiveness will increase.

I agree, he would be great in a complimentary role. Unfortunately, the guy was signed to an 11-year contract expecting him to be closer to 40 goals than 25-30 while continuing to do the things that got him on the team in the first place. He has done neither. If he put in the effort, the expectations are more than reasonable. Even if you are somehow content with his play at $4m/season now, how will we feel about his play and attitude in 2 or 3 years at the same price? or 5 years? or 8?

The difference between Franzen and Hudler is this: Franzen is not limited by his skill-set, he's limited by his attitude. Hudler, for all his potential to float, does manage to reach the ceiling of his effectiveness given his lack of speed and size. Hudler is also signed as a complimentary player. Franzen is signed as a top scoring-winger, a big body to make his team better. Both players are signed to contracts appropriate for how they are CAPABLE of playing. Franzen, however, chooses to make excuses rather than do the job he is hired to do.

Complimentary players get 3-5 year contracts, not 11-year contracts. Complimentary players get paid $2.5-4mil/season, not the $5.25mil/season Franzen is getting paid at the moment.


#2297582 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 27 April 2012 - 12:41 PM

Here's a good way to look at Franzen's production (his only defensible position left) in comparison to a Wings' fan favorite:

Robert Lang had 62 point in 72 games for the Wings. (a better season than any of Franzen's past... ever)
Robert Lang was LAZY and he SUCKED™.

Robert Lang wasn't on the top line, getting all his minutes with a player the caliber of Datsyuk (ahem...)
Robert Lang was LAZY and he SUCKED™.

Robert Lang wasn't granted an 11-year contract. (that's good...)
Robert Lang didn't complain to the media every time he spoke to them about things being boring. (what self-respecting player would?)

...Johan Franzen is LAZY and he SUCKS™


#2297565 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 27 April 2012 - 11:54 AM

By the way, you guys do realize that he lead the team in scoring this year don't you.

But don't let that fact get in the way of the whipping....

Leading the team with 29 goals, averaging around 27 or so, playing on a line with an elite among elite centers, providing zero outside of scoring, while his scoring plateaus, and having an awful attitude that surfaces every time he talks to the media. First it was "wait until playoffs", now its "the regular season was good enough, I guess".

But don't let the trend dampen the next 8 years of his contract... :P

EDIT: Had to bolden the most important parts that some people aren't quite getting. Think there is a problem with effort and attitude in the locker room these days? Hmmm... can't think of why.


#2297560 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 27 April 2012 - 11:47 AM

Honestly, his interviews have been irking me for awhile now. It's like the guy has no accountability whatsoever, and may be smoking a ton of grass. He's pretty easy going for a guy who's on a team that was eliminated in the first round.

More fun? How about more consistent effort? Winning is fun.

He got an 11-year contract with the greatest franchise in modern hockey after a single great playoff effort and hopefully unlocked potential, and the latter will define his career. Endless string of excuses as to why said potential is not being reached year-after-year, without mentioning the one obvious reason: zero effort and complete financial security. "Franchise" someone based 75% on potential and he'll start to think his potential is enough to win :P


#2297507 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by The Secret on 27 April 2012 - 09:11 AM

Deflection + Excuse!

At least when Hoss wasn't scoring he still gave his all and played great defensively. If Mule isn't scoring he is a waste of quality ice time. If he wants to have more fun show him clips of past Wings teams winning the Cup!


#2297050 Nick, Homer retirement, New Captain

Posted by Carman on 25 April 2012 - 08:28 PM

C - Franzen
A - Zetterberg
A - Kronwall


#2296728 What's REALLY going to happen this off-season?

Posted by Guest on 24 April 2012 - 03:03 PM

I will post my team for a 65 mil Cap and Nick retiring...

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Darren Helm ($1.500m) / Danny Cleary ($2.800m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.500m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.000m) / Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.250m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $65,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,292,045; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $707,955