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#2297846 So I had an idea for the WC jerseys

Posted by Doc Holliday on 28 April 2012 - 12:26 PM

Meh, doesn't exactly embody the idea of "classic" to me.

#2297965 Your favorite moments of the season

Posted by esteef on 29 April 2012 - 11:06 AM

Mine was when the Mule came alive during the playoffs. Oh wait!


#2297680 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by Jersey Wing on 27 April 2012 - 06:27 PM

Posted Image

I come to the rink in the evening light,
Mike Babcock says "When you gonna skate your shifts right?"
Oh Mikey Dear
I'm not the hard working one,

And Mules,
They wanna have fu-un.
Oh, Mules,
Just wanna have fun.

The phone rings in the middle of the night,
Nick Lidstrom yells "When you gonna learn to fight for your ice?"
Oh Nicklas dear
You know you're still number one,

But Mules,
They wanna have fu-un,
Oh, Mules, just wanna have
That's all they really want.....
Some fun....

When the hockey game is done,
Oh, Mules,
They wanna have fu-un,
Oh, Mules,
Just wanna have fun....

They want,
Wanna have fun.
Wanna have

Some teams take a beautiful Mule,
And pay him more than rest of the world.
I wanna be the one to walk in the (Toronto) Sun.

Oh, Mules,
They wanna have fu-un.
Oh, Mules,
Just wanna have
That's all they really want.....
Some fun....

When the hockey game is done,
Oh, Mules,
They wanna have fu-un.
Oh, Mules,
Just wanna have fun...

They want,
Wanna have fun.
Wanna have.

They just wanna,
They just wanna.....
They just wanna,
They just wanna.....
(Girls just wanna have fun...)

Mules just wanna have fu-un...
They just wanna,
They just wanna....
They just wanna,
They just wanna....
They just wanna...
(They just wanna have fun...)
Mules just wanna have fu-un...

When the hockey',
When the hockey game is done.
Oh, when the hockey game is done,
Oh, Mules...
Just wanna have fu-un...

They just wanna,
They just wanna....
They just wanna,
They just wanna have fun...

Mules just wanna have fu-un..
They just wanna,
They just wanna....
They just wanna,
They just wanna....
(Have fun..)

They just wanna,
(Mules wanna have fun)
They just wanna....
Oh, Mules...
(Wanna have fun....)
Mules just wanna have fu-un.

They just wanna,
They just wanna....

#2297668 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 27 April 2012 - 05:19 PM

Johan Franzen is a good complimentary goal scorer. He shouldn't be relied upon to carry the offensive load for any team. This year and last year he was expected to do that and he obviously can't be that guy. But with a 4 million cap hit and the numbers he puts up, I'm happy for him to be out there for forward scoring depth. Bring in Parise and Franzen gets less defensive pressure and the offense returns, it's really that simple. Anybody else notice that Franzen's career regular and post season's came when Hossa was drawing the tougher defensive assignments? Again, COMPLIMENTARY.

Seeing Franzen in the last few seasons, whether he is drawing the tougher defensive match-up or not thanks to being on a line with Datsyuk, its not like the guy is spending all his time checking and back-checking. In fact, I don't think I've seen him do so in a long time. He floats, offensive zone or defensive zone. He stops doing that and THEN his production, and really, his overall effectiveness will increase.

I agree, he would be great in a complimentary role. Unfortunately, the guy was signed to an 11-year contract expecting him to be closer to 40 goals than 25-30 while continuing to do the things that got him on the team in the first place. He has done neither. If he put in the effort, the expectations are more than reasonable. Even if you are somehow content with his play at $4m/season now, how will we feel about his play and attitude in 2 or 3 years at the same price? or 5 years? or 8?

The difference between Franzen and Hudler is this: Franzen is not limited by his skill-set, he's limited by his attitude. Hudler, for all his potential to float, does manage to reach the ceiling of his effectiveness given his lack of speed and size. Hudler is also signed as a complimentary player. Franzen is signed as a top scoring-winger, a big body to make his team better. Both players are signed to contracts appropriate for how they are CAPABLE of playing. Franzen, however, chooses to make excuses rather than do the job he is hired to do.

Complimentary players get 3-5 year contracts, not 11-year contracts. Complimentary players get paid $2.5-4mil/season, not the $5.25mil/season Franzen is getting paid at the moment.

#2297582 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 27 April 2012 - 12:41 PM

Here's a good way to look at Franzen's production (his only defensible position left) in comparison to a Wings' fan favorite:

Robert Lang had 62 point in 72 games for the Wings. (a better season than any of Franzen's past... ever)
Robert Lang was LAZY and he SUCKED™.

Robert Lang wasn't on the top line, getting all his minutes with a player the caliber of Datsyuk (ahem...)
Robert Lang was LAZY and he SUCKED™.

Robert Lang wasn't granted an 11-year contract. (that's good...)
Robert Lang didn't complain to the media every time he spoke to them about things being boring. (what self-respecting player would?)

...Johan Franzen is LAZY and he SUCKS™

#2297565 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 27 April 2012 - 11:54 AM

By the way, you guys do realize that he lead the team in scoring this year don't you.

But don't let that fact get in the way of the whipping....

Leading the team with 29 goals, averaging around 27 or so, playing on a line with an elite among elite centers, providing zero outside of scoring, while his scoring plateaus, and having an awful attitude that surfaces every time he talks to the media. First it was "wait until playoffs", now its "the regular season was good enough, I guess".

But don't let the trend dampen the next 8 years of his contract... :P

EDIT: Had to bolden the most important parts that some people aren't quite getting. Think there is a problem with effort and attitude in the locker room these days? Hmmm... can't think of why.

#2297560 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by b.shanafan14 on 27 April 2012 - 11:47 AM

Honestly, his interviews have been irking me for awhile now. It's like the guy has no accountability whatsoever, and may be smoking a ton of grass. He's pretty easy going for a guy who's on a team that was eliminated in the first round.

More fun? How about more consistent effort? Winning is fun.

He got an 11-year contract with the greatest franchise in modern hockey after a single great playoff effort and hopefully unlocked potential, and the latter will define his career. Endless string of excuses as to why said potential is not being reached year-after-year, without mentioning the one obvious reason: zero effort and complete financial security. "Franchise" someone based 75% on potential and he'll start to think his potential is enough to win :P

#2297507 Johan Franzen wants to 'have more fun'

Posted by The Secret on 27 April 2012 - 09:11 AM

Deflection + Excuse!

At least when Hoss wasn't scoring he still gave his all and played great defensively. If Mule isn't scoring he is a waste of quality ice time. If he wants to have more fun show him clips of past Wings teams winning the Cup!

#2297050 Nick, Homer retirement, New Captain

Posted by Carman on 25 April 2012 - 08:28 PM

C - Franzen
A - Zetterberg
A - Kronwall

#2296728 What's REALLY going to happen this off-season?

Posted by Guest on 24 April 2012 - 03:03 PM

I will post my team for a 65 mil Cap and Nick retiring...

My Custom Lineup
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Darren Helm ($1.500m) / Danny Cleary ($2.800m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.500m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m)
Ryan Suter ($7.000m) / Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.250m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $65,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,292,045; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $707,955

#2296673 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by WingNut 25 on 24 April 2012 - 01:06 PM

Weber will sign long term with Nashville.

#2296686 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by WingNut 25 on 24 April 2012 - 01:44 PM

White dropping down to 2nd or 3rd pairing is likely where he belongs anyway. He's signed cheap for another year. I don't see the benefit in moving him.

#2296645 What's Kenny Holland's Offseason Plan?

Posted by Doc Holliday on 24 April 2012 - 11:26 AM

Oh, he is going, his wife cannot come here unless her ex changes the terms of the custody. She can only live so far away from her ex because of their daughter. Stuart will be in California next season. Lets hope Holland trades his rights in order to get something for him!

Yes, I'm sure plenty of GMs will be chomping at the bit to get the rights of a UFA.

#2296471 Building a new Wings team (the realists thread)

Posted by WingNut 25 on 23 April 2012 - 11:11 PM

Saw this article over on the Production Line site and it really is good food for thought.


Seeing too much of the NHL video game GM junk in a lot of threads, so I'm making this one for much more realistic talk and scenarios. Here are some of the UFA's on July 1 (assuming they do not resign with their current teams). The UFA class is very underwhelming so realistically the Wings may need to work the trade route to make an impact.

To me, the "all in" UFA's, if they are there on July 1, are Parise and Suter. Holland needs to push and push hard to acquire at least 1 of them and the reasons are obvious. They fill tremendous needs for this Wings team. Their value is in many ways immeasurable to a team trying to get back to elite status.

Our defense will be interesting should Suter sign elsewhere or stay in NashVegas. IMO, Lidstrom will retire. I hope deep down he'll be drawn back by the allure of the Winter Classic in The Big House. But the realist in me says he doesn't want to become Chris Chelios and stay too long. I think he walks away with the kind of sad end that Yzerman had (a disappointing playoff defeat). Stuart is gone. Sad to say but there's a reason his family has never moved and the obvious speculation is that his wife cannot move their daughter due to custody issues. My personal guess is Stuart signs with the Ducks as they need him more than the Sharks or Kings do and CA is his desired destination. Kronwall, White, Ericsson, Smith and Kindl make for a nice group of defenseman but more is needed. I have my doubts on whether or not Quincey will be back but it cost the Wings a #1 to get him so the likelihood they let him go is very small, the likelihood they sign and trade him is quite realistic.

Back to Zach. He is the perfect fit for this Wings team, a sniper that could easily get Datsyuk back up to the sort of point range we expect from him and who gives the Wings that 40 goal scorer they are sorely missing. Now while I've seen it suggested that Franzen and/or Filppula could be moved, I don't see it happening unless an impact scorer is coming back in return. While Mule is extremely streaky, he still pots nearly 30 goals a year for a cap hit of less than $4 million/year. Look at the list below and find me guys who are likely to sign with the Wings who can match that production. Again, a Franzen-type scorer would have to be acquired in trade for the Mule himself. I think Fil and Z have something special and I think we've finally seen the real Fil. I'd hate to see him moved for anything less than someone like a Rick Nash. The problem there is simply that the likelihood of Columbus trading their captain to a hated division rival is slim and none, and slim is packing up to head out of town. So unless the sort of deals like a Richards to LA that caught everyone off guard last year emerge for the Wings to get involved in, the Wings will likely have to rebuild via free agency and look for less earth-shattering moves. Here is the list of UFA's below. As you can see, Suter and Parise are the gems and the rest, well see for yourself.


Daymond Langkow $4,500,000
Jarret Stoll $3,600,000
Jochen Hecht $3,525,000
Olli Jokinen $3,000,000
Jiri Hudler $2,875,000
Jason Arnott $2,800,000
Samuel Pahlsson $2,650,000
Saku Koivu $2,500,000
Paul Gaustad $2,300,000
Chris Kelly $2,125,000
Steven Reinprecht $2,050,000
Jay McClement $1,450,000
Torrey Mitchell $1,366,667
Brendan Morrison $1,250,000
Kyle Brodziak $1,150,000
Gregory Campbell $1,100,000
Dominic Moore $1,100,000
Jim Slater $1,000,000
Daniel Winnik $950,000
Erik Christensen $925,000
Lennart Petrell $900,000
Alexandre Giroux $825,000
Colin Fraser $825,000
Jeff Halpern $825,000
Jake Dowell $800,000
Brandon Prust $800,000
Toby Petersen $775,000
Ryan Carter $750,000
Jesse Winchester $750,000
Tim Wallace $700,000
Zenon Konopka $700,000
Blair Betts $700,000
Scott Nichol $700,000

Left Wings

Alexander Semin $6,700,000
Ryan Smyth $6,250,000
Zach Parise $6,000,000
Kristian Huselius $4,750,000
Dustin Penner $4,250,000
Jason Blake $4,000,000
Andrei Kostitsyn $3,250,000
Niklas Hagman $3,000,000
Ray Whitney $3,000,000
Marco Sturm $2,250,000
Andrew Brunette $2,000,000
Sean Avery $1,938,000
Tomas Holmstrom $1,875,000
Alexei Ponikarovsky $1,500,000
Travis Moen $1,500,000
Steve Sullivan $1,500,000
Jay Pandolfo $1,400,000
Ruslan Fedotenko $1,400,000
Daniel Paille $1,075,000
Cody McLeod $1,033,000
Taylor Pyatt $1,000,000
Darcy Hordichuk $825,000
Shawn Thornton $812,000
Tanner Glass $750,000
Brandon Yip $725,000
Brad Wincester $725,000
Trevor Gillies $625,000
Raitis Ivanans $600,000
Fabian Brunnstrom $600,000

Right Wings

Brian Rolston $5,062,000
Shane Doan $4,550,000
Ales Hemsky $4,100,000
Teemu Selanne $4,000,000
Brad Boyes $4,000,000
Jaromir Jagr $3,300,000
Ales Kotalik $3,000,000
Jamie Langenbrunner $2,800,000
Milan Hejduk $2,600,000
David Jones $2,500,000
Mikael Samuelsson $2,500,000
Mike Knuble $2,000,000
Lee Stempniak $1,900,000
Radek Dvorak $1,500,000
JP Dumont $1,333,000
David Moss $1,300,000
Jordin Tootoo $1,250,000
P.A. Parenteau $1,250,000
Ian Laperriere $1,167,000
Adam Burish $1,150,000
Tom Kostopoulos $917,000
George Parros $875,000
Krystopher Barch $838,000
Arron Asham $775,000
Joey Crabb $750,000
Byron Bitz $700,000
Petr Sykora $650,000
Mark Parrish $650,000
Ryan Shannon $625,000
Joakim Lindstrom $600,000
Trent Hunter $600,000
Brian Willsie $600,000
Brian McGrattan $600,000
Jonathan Cheechoo $600,000
Adam Hall $600,000
Brad Staubitz $575,000
Jamal Mayers $550,000
Brett McLean $525,000
Cam Janssen $525,000


Nicklas Lidstrom $6,200,000
Michal Rozsival $5,000,000
Dennis Wideman $3,875,000
Pavel Kubina $3,850,000
Jaroslav Spacek $3,833,000
Brad Stuart $3,750,000
Filip Kuba $3,700,000
Barret Jackman $3,625,000
Cory Sarich $3,600,000
Willie Mitchell $3,500,000
Ryan Suter $3,500,000
Jeff Finger $3,500,000
John Oduya $3,500,000
Matt Carle $3,438,000
Bryan Allen $2,900,000
Bryce Salvador $2,900,000
Mark Eaton $2,500,000
Joe Corvo $2,250,000
Hal Gill $2,250,000
Radek Martinek $2,200,000
Carlo Colaiacovo $2,125,000
Shaone Morrisonn $2,075,000
Adrian Aucoin $2,000,000
Sami Salo $2,000,000
Greg Zanon $1,933,333
Kurtis Foster $1,800,000
Chris Campoli $1,750,000
Kurt Sauer $1,750,000
Sheldon Souray $1,650,000
Nicklas Grossman $1,625,000
Milan Jurcina $1,600,000
Steve Staios $1,600,000
Matt Hunwick $1,550,000
Brett Clark $1,500,000
Francis Bouillon $1,350,000
Randy Jones $1,150,000
Shane O’Brien $1,100,000
Scott Hannan $1,000,000
Brad Lukowich $1,000,000
Mike Lundin $1,000,000
Colin White $1,000,000
Matt Carkner $700,000
Jason Garrison $675,000
Clayton Stoner $550,000
John Scott $512,000


Cristobal Huet $5,625,000
Martin Brodeur $5,200,000
Dwayne Roloson $3,000,000
Antero Niittymaki $2,000,000
Chris Mason $1,850,000
Michael Leighton $1,550,000
Dan Ellis $1,500,000
Tomas Vokoun $1,500,000
Jonas Gustavsson $1,350,000
Johan Hedberg $1,250,000
Scott Clemmensen $1,200,000
Alex Auld $1,000,000
Martin Biron $875,000
Johan Backlund $800,000
Ty Conklin $750,000
Josh Harding $750,000
Andrew Raycroft $650,000
Al Montoya $601,000
Curtis Sanford $600,000
Brent Johnson $600,000

Some of my personal suggestions, aside from Parise and Suter, that the Wings should target for various needs are:

Forwards - Brandon Prust, Paul Gaustad, Jason Arnott, Jiri Hudler, Brad Winchester, Milan Hejduk, George Parros, Jamal Mayers, David Jones, Mike Knuble
D-men - Hal Gill, Matt Carle, Barret Jackman, Colin White, Dennis Wideman
Goalie - Martin Biron, Josh Harding, Johan Hedberg

#2296246 The Franzen, Datysuk, Bertuzzi line

Posted by Doc Holliday on 23 April 2012 - 11:26 AM

Datsyuk is god, Franzen sucks, and Bertuzzi sucks.

That will pretty much sum up this thread.