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#2303899 Nick Lidstrom retires after 20 seasons

Posted by turbowhistle86 on 30 May 2012 - 04:01 PM

So wait....Lidstrom retires and Stuart waddles off to southern California later this summer. Holmstrom decides to follow Nick off into the sunset.

I can see it now....Hudler re-ups for a hefty raise, Hasek gets a 1 year $2m deal, we pass on Suter and Parise because they want too much money. On the plus side, now Holland can ink Lebda and Meech during free agency!


#2303447 Chances of landing Parise?

Posted by St. Michael (the Red Wing) on 27 May 2012 - 01:27 PM

No he's from Minneapolis. He went to school for a year or two in Faribault at Shattuck St. Mary's. But he was born and raised in the Twin Cities.


He was born in Minneapolis but moved to Faribault in 89. Look it up. Meaning he wasnt born and raised in Minneapolis.

Drives me insane when people say oh he's from wherever when they dont have af****** clue where he's from and are going just by assumption.


#2303165 Chances of landing Parise?

Posted by centcougar07 on 25 May 2012 - 11:08 AM

You know, who doesn't get brought up, Minnesota. He is from Minneapolis..


Minnesota gets brought up among potential suitors. They will make a substantial offer. There's a good chance they land him IMO.


#2302661 The truth of our decline.

Posted by kipwinger on 22 May 2012 - 05:58 PM

Wait, correct me if I'm wrong: Didn't six years pass between the Cups in 2002 and 2008? Didn't we see a ton of player turnover, including key players like Shanahan, Yzerman, and Fedorov? Didn't we get bounced from the playoffs early a few times in those six years? Didn't we make the playoffs every year in between based on the strength of the core? How many people were screaming doom during those six year? I've got to guess a whole lot of people were...

Didn't we inevitably win another Cup in 2008 and make it to the Finals again in 2009, once our young talent developed and reached maturity?

You can't win the Cup every year. You can't make the Conference Finals every year. The best you can do is make the playoffs every year, and once and a while make it over the top if an FA here or there, or a young rising star, makes a good team a great one.

We've got the core. We make the playoffs every year. We've got good young talent developing, and money for a couple FA's.

What decline?

Edited: for typos...which are the bane of my existence.


#2302301 Iginla

Posted by Doc Holliday on 20 May 2012 - 01:06 PM

I'm sorry, if LGW's off-season plan to get even OLDER?

Iginla is a hell of a player, but I'm not trading huge assets to acquire him. We need to reload for the future. Not reload for one or two seasons.


#2302066 The truth of our decline.

Posted by Richdg on 18 May 2012 - 01:36 PM

Made this handy little spread sheet. it covers the 5 of our top 6 forwards that are signed for next season. has the names, ages, and 3 stats for each year from 2008 through 2012. Those stats are: GP=games played, PTS=points, and shts=shoots on goal. Black numbers are no change or improved, red numbers are declines.
Name----Age--------------------2008 2009 2010 2011 2012
--------------------------------GP PTS shts GP PTS shts GP PTS shts GP PTS shts GP PTS shts

Zetterberg--32-------------75 92 358 77 73 309 74 70 309 80 80 306 82 69 267

Datsyk----34---------------- 82 97 264 81 97 248 80 70 203 56 59 137 70 67 164

Franzen----33---------------72 38 199 71 59 246 27 21 91 76 55 248 77 56 211

Burtuzzi----37---------------68 40 121 66 44 127 82 44 216 81 45 138 71 38 118

Cleary---34------------------63 42 177 74 40 163 64 34 140 68 46 192 75 33 199

Now for some follow up. Of the 15 numbers for each player, dat has 9 reds. meaning he is declinging just about every year, in just about every catagory. it would be worse but his numbers this year are improved over 2011 when he was hurt. But his 2012 numbers are worse than his 2010 numbers. Second in red numbers is Z. he has 7 out of 15 in red. Cleary has 6 out 15 in red. Burt also has 6 out of 15 in red. franzen has declined the fewest times. Only 5 red numbers. The number that stands out to me the most, is dat's decline in shots. In 2008 he took 264 shots. Then followed by 248, 203, 137, and finally 164 this past year. Granted he played 12 fewer games, but he had 103 fewer shots! That is a 38% drop!

None of us want to se a bad RW team. We all want to win Cups every year. But we also have to face facts. The fact is we need to find our next pair of great forwards that can lead us for the next 10 years. We started this run with Yzerman and federov, then continued it with dat and Z. No where in our organization do we have 2 guys that are potential 80 point per year guys. This is Holland's big challenge. Do we trade? Sign FA's? move up in the draft somewhere?
My personnel opinion is they need to be C's. A wing by himself can't do it. A good sniper-like parise is, can't score if no one can get him the puck. One last thing. Please understand the difference between good and great. dat and Z are still good players. They are not great players anymore. They will continue to work hard, provide leadership, and score 60 to 75 points for a few more years. But they are not guys that can carry a team anymore. help carry yes, but we have to find the next pair to do the heavy lifting.


Chart was fixed, loaded poorly.....


#2302178 LA Kings as a model?

Posted by Doc Holliday on 19 May 2012 - 07:37 AM

All of the Staal brothers currently in the NHL are superior to Abdelkader in every possible way.


He was talking about Jarret Stoll. None of the Staal brothers play for the Kings.


#2302060 LA Kings as a model?

Posted by Doc Holliday on 18 May 2012 - 01:02 PM

Does anyone understand the term "Cinderella team" anymore?

The Kings were one of the worst teams in the league halfway through the season. They were able to sneak in as an 8th seed and were able to feed off a weak-willed Vancouver team and have been flying high since.

I fully expect the Rangers to win the East and take the Kings, as much as I'm rooting for them.


#2302078 LA Kings as a model?

Posted by Doc Holliday on 18 May 2012 - 02:31 PM

In terms of standings, they were never one of the worst teams in the league. They were just one of the worst teams in the league at scoring goals and had to be held in games by Quick. They were 29th in the league in Goals For and still made the playoffs. That's a pretty good defensive team for that to happen.

As I said in the other thread, once they brought in Sutter, traded for Carter, and called up King and Nolan, the Kings offensive woes got a lot better while remaining just as solid defensively. They're the 8th seed, but in the last part of the season they were playing much better than an 8th seed and finally realizing the potential they had all season.


In all honesty, they are getting hot at the right time, and despite doing so well since the coaching change and having Quick on fire, if they end up playing the Rangers in the finals, they will be playing against a more playoff and adversity prepared team than any they have faced so far.


#2302105 LA Kings as a model?

Posted by Doc Holliday on 18 May 2012 - 05:41 PM

Except "Cinderella teams" aren't supposed to sweep every series.


Where does it say that?


#2302111 LA Kings as a model?

Posted by Doc Holliday on 18 May 2012 - 06:29 PM

In my post.


I always wondered who came up with that term.


#2302112 The truth of our decline.

Posted by Doc Holliday on 18 May 2012 - 06:37 PM

Good post Richdg. I wouldn't worry about all the neggs you get on the comments. Since I've been here, I have noticed many a Wing fan either incapable or unwilling to face the fact that it will soon be time to rebuild and that we aren't a dynasty anymore. Sadly, even when you give them the facts and throw the numbers in their faces, you still wont get them to be realistic about it. Of course we all want to see Detroit be a dominant force in the league and compete for cups year after year. But when you look at the facts and look at the numbers, it's not there and it's easy to see the decline. Thanks for the reality check.


If only more Wings fans could be like you.


#2302042 Red Wings make offer to Damien Brunner

Posted by 13dangledangle on 18 May 2012 - 12:05 PM

Anyone who wants Semin at anything more than 4mil is nuts. He would instantly make this year's Franzen look like a super gritty workaholic. There's a reason why Washington was happy to see him go. Why would we want his drama when he only produced 4 more pts than Hudler with way more ice time and more than twice the cap hit? In a cap world he's not worth the risk. If he was willing to take a real salary cut things might be different but the KHL will throw tons of cash at him. He's got significantly more skill than Radulov so one would assume he'd dominate a league that was ruled by Rad.

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:hysterical: LMAO no one can make Franzen look like that...However my point is I would rather have Semin @ 4 then Hudler @ 4.


#2301948 Iginla

Posted by Z and D for the C on 17 May 2012 - 10:18 PM

He had 97 PIM this season, 100 in the season before, and 131 in the season before that.


He had 21 minor penalties and 9 fighting (assuming) majors. That information was a few clicks away from seeing how many PIM he had the past few seasons.


...so then why was our PK so bad then?


Shhh....


#2301915 Babcock and Holland want to keep Homer.

Posted by kipwinger on 17 May 2012 - 07:21 PM

I'm as tolerant of a little bit of homophobia as I am tolerant of a little bit of racism. Which is to say, I'm not tolerant of it at all.