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#2208331 Maybe it's Homer that gets sent down?

Posted by stevkrause on 20 September 2011 - 05:56 PM

This is very possibly the single most ridiculous thread I have ever read on LGW and that's some steep competition...


#2207767 Everyone has rejoined the team for skating...except one player...

Posted by Crymson on 15 September 2011 - 11:39 AM

Which means he get 80 points this year, then Holland will re-sign him for $5M+ and then Hudler will return to "Form" next season and he will be a $5M 30 point player...

I can only hope he is on pace for 80 and is traded at the deadline for something the team can use to complete this quest for another Cup...or he only gets about 20 points (and nobody wants him at the deadline) and Holland re-signs him for what he is worth $500,000 or just lets him walk.


Given your apparent belief that you are an expert in the field of management, perhaps you should be dedicating your time to attaining a job in the field.


#2207731 Everyone has rejoined the team for skating...except one player...

Posted by Reds4Life on 15 September 2011 - 08:37 AM

Which means he get 80 points this year, then Holland will re-sign him for $5M+ and then Hudler will return to "Form" next season and he will be a $5M 30 point player...

I can only hope he is on pace for 80 and is traded at the deadline for something the team can use to complete this quest for another Cup...or he only gets about 20 points (and nobody wants him at the deadline) and Holland re-signs him for what he is worth $500,000 or just lets him walk.


So Wings couldn't use a PPG player in the playoffs?

You didn't really thought it through, did you? :rolleyes:


#2207650 Everyone has rejoined the team for skating...except one player...

Posted by Crymson on 14 September 2011 - 06:27 PM

Title says it all. Everyone is back in Detroit skating, training and working out. Except one.

Wonder who that could be? Must be someone lazy... :ph34r:


There are three articles talking about how Hudler returned to the team to skate today, so this topis is dumb.


#2206804 McCrimmon, Salei on board Russian plane crash

Posted by Z and D for the C on 07 September 2011 - 09:43 PM

Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord;
even so saith the Spirit, for they rest from their labors.

O God, whose mercies cannot be numbered: Accept our prayers on behalf of thy
servant, and grant an entrance into the land of light and joy, in the fellowship
of thy saints; through Jesus Christ thy Son our Lord, who liveth and reigneth
with thee and the Holy Spirit, on God, now and for ever. Amen.


And here I thought we could get through this without some pretentious religious crap. <_< I'm sure Rusty's 3 1/2 month old son feels really blessed that god killed his dad.


#2206257 Top 3 Players in Each Team's History

Posted by GMRwings1983 on 05 September 2011 - 02:58 PM

What a great idea for a thread! I can tell the OP is really knowledgeable about hockey history. I agree with pretty much the whole list.



Meh, I guess no one wants to discuss NHL history on a holiday. :D


#2203798 Crosby's 2012 Season now in Question

Posted by haroldsnepsts on 15 August 2011 - 11:59 AM

Karma for all the diving he did/does when he barely gets tapped....now he knows what a real hit feels like!

...besides, he come back and play half the season and they will "give" him another trophy, the Masterson Trophy. Then they will fill the NHL airwaves full of talk about what heart and dedication he has, and how he is the only "true champion" for coming back from his injury. I can see Eddie Olczyk (and Carmen) wiping the jizz off his face already.

I have no sympathy for him as a player (as a person I do hope he is ok to live a nice life,) this is what happens when you start believing the hype and think you are bigger than the game...the game stands up at the blueline and knocks you out...Eric Lindros part II...

I have several issues with this:

What has Crosby done to give indication that he is "bigger than the game?"
He didn't get his concussions from getting stood up at the blueline.
Lindros kept skating through the middle with his head down, probably from growing up playing against guys so much littler than him. This is no way the same thing as what happened to Crosby.
Crosby isn't even in the top ten of divers in the league. He did it more early in his career, but he's nowhere near what half the Vancouver and Sharks teams were doing in the playoffs.


True, but the only reason this is going to hurt the league, is because, as you pointed out, they've dedicated like 90%+ of their player marketing soley to Crosby.

I've always felt this was absolutely retarded, for this exact reason. What happens if he gets seriously injured and is out for a long period of time, or worse, his career is ended early? You screwed yourself. If they had decided to market a lot of great players instead of putting all their eggs in the Crosby basket, then if one of those players gets hurt, it doesn't have as adverse of an effect on the league. Hopefully they will learn from this, but honestly, they probably won't.

Losing one of the best players to ever play the game is going to hurt the league for more than marketing reasons.

I get sick of all the Crosby marketing and wish they'd spend more time promoting other players, but that's not Crosby's fault.

Honestly I hate the little f***. I think he's still kind of immature and he has some little-***** like quality that's easy to hate. But he's 24 years old. There's still time to grow up. And he's an incredibly talented player who works his ass off.

I just don't get how so many hockey fans would want one of the best players in the game not to be able to play. Even if just to hate him when the Wings play. I've hated a lot of great players over the year, in part for that reason, because they were great and they kept schooling my favorite players. But it makes it so satisfying when you defeat them. It makes for great rivalries.


#2203787 Crosby's 2012 Season now in Question

Posted by Bring Back The Bruise Bros on 15 August 2011 - 11:32 AM

...if people only realized how true this statement really is.

This times 1000000000000. Hopefully this doesnt ruin the conversation, but In all seriousness, people need to wake up.


#2203549 Third line players who suck

Posted by eva unit zero on 13 August 2011 - 12:42 AM

Point is that Hudler wasn't on the 3rd line all year. Those point totals you gave us are not from him being a 3rd liner the entire season.

You just twisted the stats in your favor, disregarding common sense in the process.


Hudler spent most of the year on the third line, played a little bit on the top two, and played just as much on the fourth.

It was mentioned earlier Hudler should just be allowed to play a Brett Hull game, and I completely agree. I don't really care to see him trying to play physical, grind in the corners and backcheck, because frankly, he isn't good at it. Hudler should be told to simply find open space.

I know Babcock is a stickler for 'everyone backchecks' but Bowman at least knew his players' strengths and weaknesses enough to say 'everyone but LaFleur/Lemieux/Jagr/Hull/Holmstrom backchecks'.


Funny thing is, Hudler backchecks harder than any of those guys did. And he always has.


#2203488 Third line players who suck

Posted by eva unit zero on 12 August 2011 - 02:19 PM

His infamous "100 point pace" happened when he was playing with Datsyuk and Cleary on the top line.

I wouldn't call him a true 3rd liner last season, with that fact and the powerplay time he got.

Except he wasn't always a third liner. See my post above. Hudler got time on the powerplay and played a while with Datsyuk.


While Hudler and Datsyuk were together, Hudler outscored Datsyuk. That's an awfully interesting thing to happen during the same span you seem to be giving credit for his entire season's worth of production.

Maybe you then agree that Hudler should be on the top line with Datsyuk, scoring crazy amounts of points instead of playing on a line with Abdelkader and Miller or whatever assembly you have planned.



#2203822 Brunnström to try out for Wings

Posted by Hank Dats 'N Homer on 15 August 2011 - 01:46 PM

I really don't mean to make this a Hudler thread... but Mursak has to earn a spot in the lineup first. And beyond that, the Cleary/Zetterberg/Hudler and Cleary/Datsyuk/Hudler lines were absolutely DEADLY combinations last season. So how about we start with:

Hudler/Datsyuk/Cleary
Franzen/Zetterberg/Holmstrom
Brunnstrom/Filppula/Bertuzzi
Mursak/Helm/Eaves

OR

Hudler/Zetterberg/Bertuzzi
Filppula/Datsyuk/Franzen
Cleary/Helm/Eaves
Brunnstrom/Abdelkader/Holmstrom

The third line here is basically a ramped up version of the fourth line in the previous lineup. This lineup also allows for less even strength time for Homer while still keeping him in an effective role; his line has some offensive talent but can be used as a checking line as it is anchored by Abdelkader. I would expect, though, to have something closer to the first lineup but with Abdelkader instead of Brunnstrom.


Come on really? You say mursak needs to earn a spot but you go ahead and assign Hudler to a first line role? Did i miss something? Last i checked, Hudler was an undersized 2nd/3rd liner healrhy scratch last year, whom has been discussed in numerous trade rumors around Detroit. Theres no denying that babcock isnt a huge fan of him as it is, he doesnt play defense, and refuses to shoot the puck...where in all that did he earn a 1st line spot. I dont like to come in and flame people about stuff, but you somehow turn everything into a Hudler discussion and you make him out to be way better than he is. Its just getting a little old...whenever i see your name in a thread now i know im going to read something about Happy Hudler. Im not a Hudler hater by any stretch, im pretty neutral, but how/when did he earn a first like spot on this team? It baffles me, especially when you come in talking about other players having to earn spots in the lineup, but somehow give Hudler top honors like hes a top 20 player in the league.


#2203378 Third line players who suck

Posted by eva unit zero on 12 August 2011 - 01:12 AM

Given all of the Hudler hate on the board, and the fact that people think his performance last season was terrible, horrible, whatever description you like, I thought I would ask this question.

What third-line (based on ice time) players around the league do you think 'suck' who plays a scoring role, yet still put up around 40 points? I'd like to see the list of names this board comes up with just so we have an idea of who is having comparable seasons to what Hudler did last year. I'll start it off with a few names:

Mason Raymond, Vancouver
Tomas Kopecky, Chicago
Devin Setoguchi, San Jose
Anthony Stewart, Atlanta
Tomas Holmstrom, Detroit
James van Riemsdyk, Philadelphia
Brian Boyle, Rangers

There are a great deal more out there. Anyone care to list them? Who out there is a terrible player who played in a scoring role and put up similar numbers to Hudler?

How about notably worse numbers? We can bring up these guys:

Ruslan Fedotenko, Rangers
Marc Savard, Boston
Jason Arnott, Washington
Radek Dvorak, Atlanta



#2200729 Draper or Hudler?

Posted by eva unit zero on 24 July 2011 - 01:18 PM

He wasn't productive in the SJ series at all. I do care if the Wings win or lose. That is why I would rather have someone with heart, determination, leadership than a very very very streaky "top-six" winger. In their respective roles, Draper did better job at his. Hudler's only value to the Wings right now is that other teams might accept him via a trade, that's about it.


Hudler didn't score, but he definitely produced offensive chances. Sometimes they don't go in. Also, although he f***ed up on that Boyle goal (identical play to the game before, where Helm was the "victim") Hudler was pretty solid on his backchecking. Unfortunately, if he's not scoring he doesn't get credit for what he is doing.

Well I will say that Hudler was the better checker out of the two in the SJ series. Just ask Clears if you don't believe me.


Hmm... come to think of it, has Draper EVER nailed a guy that hard? Maybe Hudler should get with Joey and he can be our enforcer since Babs likes to play him on the fourth line.


Yeah youre right, theres no way Hudler would be concerned with money and try harder ina contract year after he was s*** this season.. Its not like he has ever left a stanley cup contender to play in Russia or something :rolleyes:


You act like no players are interested in money. Good thing Datsyuk and Zetterberg are playing for $500k. Lidstrom too. That makes it a lot easier to fit under the cap with greedy players like Hudler who make salaries that fit point production for seasons that are considered "horrible".

Let's say Draper retires. What should the pecking order be for the line of potential assistant captains?


Draper is unlikely to be back. If he retires, it will be Kronwall or Cleary, but not until Lidstrom retires. Teams are only allowed two A's at a time, the Wings rotate three. Draper retires and it will be just Dats and Z. Lids retires and one of Kronner or Cleary gets it.



#2200490 Draper or Hudler?

Posted by eva unit zero on 22 July 2011 - 07:18 PM

One thing I don't think people realize with Hudler, he's in a contract year, so you know he's going to put up good numbers.


You're thinking of Zherdev. In fact, I think most people who voted "Draper" may have Hudler confused with Zherdev. Given that many were in the Zherdev thread asking for his addition, yet want Draper over Hudler due to hard work and defensive ability.


#2200461 Draper or Hudler?

Posted by eva unit zero on 22 July 2011 - 05:10 PM

Draper, he played with hustle in the playoffs something Hudler didn't do. Also I thought Helm played better with Draper on his wing. When Draper was put back into the line-up in the SJ series I could see Helm trying harder.


Hudler was the team's third or fourth best forward in the Phoenix series. You may or may not think he was hustling... but he was definitely a big part in the Wings' first round win. He wasn't productive early in the San Jose series, and was vilified for it, but he certainly was still working out there. Maybe he wasn't working as hard as Draper. I wasn't measuring with my magic wand. But the fact is this. The ONLY value Draper has to this team is his ability on faceoffs. Ask yourself: Do you want a 40 year-old faceoff specialist (who will probably spend more time in the press box than on the ice) instead of a 27 year-old top-six winger with impressive playmaking skills and offensive awareness? If you answered yes to that question, you are not concerned with whether the team wins or loses.