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#2339781 Wings give Mike Knuble a tryout

Posted by LeftWinger on 13 January 2013 - 02:49 PM

I seem to remember before all of the lockout nonsense reading an interview where Knuble said it would be a dream come true to get to finish his career with Detroit.. so why not at least give him a chance to prove he can do it?..


Why not? Sign him so he can play a couple of games in Detroit...maybe some playoff games, get his name on a Cup.  Mostly though so he can get a couple of games in and hang em up playing for his hometown(state) and draft team...I understand. Even Modo retired a Red Wing...

#2339466 Johan Franzen - Once and For All

Posted by LeftWinger on 11 January 2013 - 11:28 PM

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It would be absurd even if we didn't owe him 22 million dollars.  His production for his price is a steal. </p></blockquote>

Leave that out tho. Cuz some people think its better to cut your best goal scorer and proven playoff producer in favor of a guy who plays with one hand on his stick and gets pushed to the boards despite being bigger than everyone else. Same people who thought Fedorov was worthless even tho he was our best forward for 10 straight years.


Actually, you would be hard pressed to find someone who thinks Franzen and Fedorov should even be mentioned in the same sentence. Franzen could not and will never be good enough to even sniff Sergei's sock hat...One can argue that if Fedorov is not on our team for those 10 years, we may still be in a Stanley Cup drought, that same can NEVER EVER be said about twinkle toes Franzine...


Franzen should be traded. And speaking of comparng him with Hossa, sure Hossa may get pushed around easily, but Franzen is like a bowl a jelly as well and when the going gets tough he turtles.  Oh sure, he can pick on a teenager and throw his mouthgaurd out, but when someone challenges him, he is no more tough than Hossa...they are both soft.


Hossa is better than Franzen...period. Franzen will never be Fedorov.

#2338797 Canadian hockey fans - they mad!

Posted by LeftWinger on 09 January 2013 - 11:11 AM

If there is a weakness with the Canadians, it is definitely goaltending. Teams are definitely getting closer, but not even close right now to Canada.


edit: sorry about the last picture, it's blurry for some reason.


Well, I would say they are getting closer...as a matter of fact that is what said. But to say the are not even close is ridiculous...tell that to the Canadians they last 4 years of WJ's...sure they had a great run for 5 years in a row, but I said, training has changed in the US the last decade and the kids that have started receiving that new training as a 5 and 6 year old are now in these tourney's and playing JUST AS GOOD as the Canadian kids, and it seems, for the last 4 years, the USA and others have played BETTER.  The tide is changing, another 5 or so years and you will at least see an even ranking of American and Canadian players in your top 10...


again, back to topic, there are some hockey fans that make a mockery of their Country, no matter whatr Country they live in and those particular Canadian fans are among the worst... Got to love the Rivalry though!

#2338628 Canadian hockey fans - they mad!

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 January 2013 - 06:20 PM

Regardless of whether teams are catching up they still aren't on par with Canada, even I can admit that as an America that moved to Canada. Canada still produces the best hockey players and it's really not even close. I know within 50 KM of Toronto (GTA), stars like Giroux, Stamkos, Getzlaf, Perry, Duchene, Skinner, Neal, Staal bros, Spezza, Nash have made the NHL just to name a few off the top of my head. The rest of Ontario alone is stacked, then within Canada it's not close. Mackinnon and Drouin for example will go within the top 3 this year in the draft, two of which are Canadian.


Well, that is just not fact. For every one of those Canadian born players, the an every much as good American born player. I am not arguing the quality of Canadian born players, but the American are becoming just as good and are proving it in the ranks year after year.  Russian's and Swede's as well.  The #1 CSS prospect is Canadian and #2 is American (highest ranking Defenseman) so these programs are on par.  I would say the only reason you have more Canadian's today making a big splash is that it's a Nationwide love of hockey and that is what they look forward to playing.  In America, it's a regional thing.  Again, for every GTA player you listed, there is an equally as good player in the Minnesota/Wisconsin/Michigan/Boston area as well as Russian and Swede.

#2338599 Tomas Holmstrom Retires

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

Homer was my favorite, but this retirement is the right time.  He's had a great career.


Thanks Homer!

I'm a HUGE homer fun, but HELL NO to jersey retirement.  He just simply wasn't that good.  Just because a player is beloved, doesn't mean we retire his number.  Save that for the Yzerman's, Lidstrom's, and Howe's.  The players that were legendary.


Hero's will be remembered, but legends get number retirement (or they never die, but...)



Well lets look at a few things:


#6 on the team in games played with 1026


#3 on the team in Powerplay goals with 122


#5 on the team in GWG with 39


Less than 100 points away from being in the top 10 in all time points for the Wings.  There is no questioning his importance to this team over his career. It's not like anyone is ever gonna wear #96 again, but I think the argument holds some water...but then again, I believe Osgood's #30 should go up there too...and a strong argument for Fedorov. But that is it. I am not looking to throw all #'s from the dynasty up there...

#2338297 red wings at 11 to 1 odds to win it all

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2013 - 05:05 PM

I say they just blow a tire this season and get that #1 pick and get Seth Jones locked up as the guy to take over for Lidstrom...

#2338105 Tomas Holmstrom Retires

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2013 - 06:41 AM

The LAST of the Dynasty....God Speed, Tomas! God Speed!

#2337983 2013 BlueAdams Where Are You, Line Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 January 2013 - 04:03 PM

What are everyone's lines. Hopefully this will attract BlueAdams.

Nyquist - Datsyuk - Franzen
Filppula - Z - Brunner
Clearly - Abdelkader - Sammy
Tootoo - Helm - Bertuzzi
Scratches: Miller, Eaves Mursak

Kronwall - White
Quincey - Ericsson
Smith - Colo/Kindl



I am going:


Franzine - Datsyuk - Zetterberg

Brunner - Filppula - Nyquist

Sammy - Helm - Bertuzzi

TooToo - Abby - Cleary

(Miller, Mursak, Eaves LTD)


Kronner - Ericsson

Quincey - White

Smith - Colo/Kindl




#2337576 Which players will get bought out?

Posted by LeftWinger on 04 January 2013 - 11:12 AM

Fact is, if you will only be able to buy out 2 players, then some of these teams are going to have to buyout big contracts to get under the cap. you cannot buy out 6 players making less than $1M, so the are going to have to be some big names either dealt to the Phoenix's of the NHL for some draft picks, waived, or bought out.

#2337453 Which players will get bought out?

Posted by LeftWinger on 03 January 2013 - 12:48 PM

I can see the "******* All-Star" being bought out, along with Seto....isn't it ironic? :lol:


I am also willing to bet Tim Thomas gets bought out as well...They'd still be over the cap, but maybe with his concussion issues Marc Savard can also be bought out of Boston.


Luongo is a good candidate along with Edler...


This could be the year that Iginla leaves Calgary...or maybe just J. Bo. I can see them buying out Hudler too (just as long as he does NOT return to Detroit!)


In Philly it may be a given that Pronger gets bought out, they'd still have to drop about $2M, but they could shave that pretty easily...


I think San Jose finally says goodbye to Marleau


Chicago will dump Hossa which will pave his way back to Detroit!


I believe Lieno gets the Heevho out of Buffalo!


Say goodbye to 1 goal Gomez in Montreal!


Hamrlik and Wolski could be done in Washington!


Toronto is a hard one, it all depends what the pick up Luongo for....


I could see Brewer, Salo or Ohlund out of Tampa


All that young talent in Edmonton, could Smyth be done?


Penner or Mitchell may be sent packing in LA LA Land...


In the Motor City, such a pity, but because of nagging injuries, Eaves will bid adieu and just to clear some more space, Emmerton and Kindl, for a possilble pick up or two...Could big Bert be done?


Last team over the $60M cap, but not by much, I can see Pittsburgh setting free, Pasqal DuPuis...



I could see Holland not buying anyone out, but I'd hope it would be Franzen.


Maybe 4/5th now, with how lazy he plays. But for 10 more years (or whatever it is)? No thanks.




I bit my tongue on Franzen just so I wouldn't get flamed because of my well known hatred for that puke...Buy out Eaves, Franzen, Emmy and Kindl...Pick up Hossa and Mitchell

Question is, will Holland be man enough to cowboy up and admit his mistake by buying out Franzine and picking up Hossa? If he has ANY integrity, he will!

#2336844 Hudler takes a skate to the neck, goes to hospital -- not serious

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 December 2012 - 06:08 PM

Poor little Huddie... glad he's OK. Hope we get to see him....and the rest of the Wings... some day soon. He's still a Wing to me, even if he ends up in Calgary.

You mean "even though he ended up in Calgary..." He IS a Calgary Flame.

I may not like the tool, but I am damn glad he is OK. I watched BOTH Malarchuk and Zednik happen live on TV and neither of them was a pretty sight and were both super scary and made my heart skip...I thought I was watching someone die on the ice...Get Well soon Hudler, so when the NHL returns we can whoop your can!

#2336395 Every player a UFA?

Posted by LeftWinger on 19 December 2012 - 09:04 PM

When more than a third of your playoff roster accounting for some 45 playoff points comes from free agency you sure as hell didn't draft/develop the team internally. What would you call it?

Not that it would matter to you, anybody on the team is apparently expendable provided you've got the money no? Just part of good old fashioned hockey.

The point is, only three UFA's were acquired in 2001 for that season, Hull was the only one with more than 10 playoff points and he didn't sign until August 2001 and had plaenty of offers worth MORE money. Robitaille was signed to replace Lapointe and again, he chose Detroit when LA didn't want him, Illitch did not have to outbid anyone for him and nobody even remembered Olausson when Detroit signed him in May of 01....the rest of the team was either already there for years or acquired by trades, which in no way equals buying a Cup by signing all the top UFA's in one year to win a Cup...

if you are basing your opinion that way for the 2002 Cup, then Illitch must have bought all his Cups because he added pieces each of those years as well via UFA...if that is the case then every team buys the Cup every year...in 2001-2002 Illitch didn't even come near what Minnesota did last July and what Illitch tried to do himself...The core of 2002 was built via the draft and trades and were all there in 97 and 98...but I guess since Holland happened to draft tons of future HOF's and gave up valuable assests for missing pieces and happened to be the destination of players who wanted to win, I guess they never really earned it then....

also, those three UFA's accounted for 33 playoff points, 18 from Hull. That is only 17% of the playoff scoring...77% of the playoff scoring (minus the other UFA's) were from drafted and acquired players....Unfortunate for your argument, the Wings more than likely still win the Cup without the 33 points from those three UFA's....

#2336393 Every player a UFA?

Posted by LeftWinger on 19 December 2012 - 08:30 PM

And clearly if you have the choice you'll show no appreciation or loyalty to a good leader, teammate, and hockey player and instead err on the side of money and young legs. Classy dude.

He bought the cup in 2002.

Here we go.....

Steve Yzerman - draft pick

Brendan Shanahan - acquired for Paul Coffey and Keith Primeau Oct. 1996

Sergei Fedorov - draft pick

Brett Hull - signed as UFA August 22, 2001 WELL after 29 other teams could have offered him a contract.

Nick Lidstrom - draft pick

Chris Chelios - acquired for Ander Eriksson and TWO 1st round draft picks March 1999

Tomas Holmstrom - draft pick

Igor Larionov - acquired for Ray Sheppard Oct. 1995 - re-acquired for Yan Golubovsky Dec. 2000

Luc Robitalle - signed as UFA July 5th 2001 for his beloved LA Kings didn't even want him back that year...

Darren McCarty - draft pick

Pavel Datsyuk - draft pick

Kirk Maltby - acquired for Dan McGillis March 1996

Boyd Devereaux - signed as UFA August 23rd 2000, well after 29 other could have offered him a contract...

Frederick Olausson - signed as UFA May 2001 out of Swiss League (who else wanted him? Noone.)

Steve Duschesne - signed as UFA Sept. 1999 well after 29 other teams had a chance to offer a contract...

Kris Draper - acquired for $1 (CAN) and future considerations June 1993

Mathieu Dandenault - draft pick

Dom Hasek - acquired for Slava Kozlov and a 1st round pick July 2001

Uwe Krupp - signed as UFA July 1998

Manny Legace - signed as UFA August 1999, claimed off waivers from VAN Oct. 1999

Jiri Slegr - acqured for Yuri Butsayev and a 3rd round draft pick

Jason Williams - signed as an undrafted UFA in Sept 2000....

that is the playoff roster, so show me exactly where Illtich BOUGHT the Cup...I see a team built through drafting, trading assests for assests and acquiring UFA's that everyone passed on, with the exception of MAYBE Robitaille and he didn't have to outbid ANY of the other teams for ANY of the UFA's he signed...and remember they had justlost LaPointe to UFA so they needed to replace his production and they did so 4 days after 29 other teams could have thrown big bucks as Luc....

anyone who says Illitch bought that 02 Cup hasn't paid any attention to how the Yankees or Heat operate....If somehow the Wild pull off a Cup win this year (or when they come back) you can accuse them of buying a Cup...

#2336364 Every player a UFA?

Posted by LeftWinger on 19 December 2012 - 01:37 PM

I wouldn't mind this, but I am not so sure that everyone will be fighting to come to Detroit and play....we lost out on the big free agents over the summer once already and we HAD the cash for them...I don't think that would change if all players became UFA. You'd have to land the biggest and best first to attract the rest, because you'd have players teaming up who want to play with each other, like the Olsen twins did. Landing the best would mean Illitch would have to whip out the wallet and get Ovie, Malkin, or......Crosby :bad: Excuse me while I wash my mouth out with soap....if Holland couldn't land any top 10 talent, then this team goes Waaay downhill for a UFA destination....

IF all 700+ players became UFA's I would hope that the new CBA would have a stipulation that the team they belong(ed) to has first crack at re-siging the players. I guess that would be a true UFA, but at least it would save some of the smaller franchises from folding....and it would keep Detroit on the map...

#2335912 Why no youth injecton

Posted by LeftWinger on 12 December 2012 - 10:26 AM

Again, everyone loves hindsight. You're forgetting that every single team passed on Neal, Vlasic, and Stastny at least once.

Yes, I know, its like that in any draft year...

Eaves has no ETA on his return yet, which means it's probably awhile away. Emmerton is 100% expendable.

Brunner will start in the NHL. This has been clear since he signed.

The way I see it, BOTH Emmy and Mursak are the expendable ones...If Eaves return is doubtful, one of those two have a bit more time here than they should. I believe in the end Miller and Eaves will be here over those two...