at the negs because I said I would puke if he drafts Swede's. I guess nobody can even have an opposing opinion on who they'd like to see drafted. It's not like I said "I hate (insert nationality here)" I simply just said, in not so many words, I think the organization has enough influx of European defensemen. I would really love to see Morrow drafted instead of Jonas Brodin. Come on folks, lets remember how the negs and positives are supposed to be used. Of course when someone negs someone else, they never have the balls to admit it and explain why. Negs are not used because someone has an opposing opinion, but some kiddies just can't handle open forums...
Let me put it politcally correct for you: Its my personal opinon that Joe Morrow would bring more to the future of this hockey club than Jonas Brodin would. If Holland has both of these players available at #24 and opts for Brodin, I will be very disappointed...
Now there are whispers that Detroit is out of it as they are uninterested in making a second offer.
Hardball. I like it Holland.
I agree. Holland made his offer, if Jagr doesn't like it, oh well, Holland has better plans with that $16M than to give $4M of it to Jagr. Far better players out there to offer $3M-$4M to instead of and younger than Jagr... I am ok with him being a Red Wing, but only on Holland's terms. I'd rather see most of that cash spent on the Defense...
Here nor there. I am perfectly fine with Holland offering him $2M, but if Pit gets him for more (or even less) no biggie. I'd like to see him play here, but whatever. I am not going to dog him for being 39, he still has good skills, he is much better than Hudler and that alone makes him worth signing. CANNOT compare him to Modano OR Krupp, BOTH GOT INJURED and didn't recover in time to be effective. Some people just don't get it...
I'd take him or Jokinen, Tanguay, Arnott, Handzus, Ryder, Selanne or even LaRose to help put some pucks in the net. Even with all this talk about Jagr, whether you were pro or con, NOBODY and I mean virtually NOBODY here said think offense first. We are all on board with spending the most of fixing the Defense, then addressing the offense after. Holland offered a modest contract to Jagr, if he wants more than $2M elsewhere, then good for him. With $16M available and Holland only offering him $2M it just means that Holland has better plans for that money (Hopefully that includes $4.5-$5 for Wisniewski.) He already said that they are a team that spends up to the Cap, so he definitely has plans to spend it. Maybe he saves $4M or so for the trade deadline, just in case, but even spending $12M on the D and a top 6 forward would make this team tons better than last season... Jagr or not...
Not taking away from every single HOF/non-HOF player to have played with the Red Wings during my lifetime, which is awesome to have witnessed and am still witnessing, but I feel so privilege to have watch TWO of the absolute greatest players to ever grace the ice, for not just a game or two or a season or two, but for their ENTIRE PROFESSIONAL CAREERS, Steve Yzerman and Nick Lidstrom. Yzerman from day 1 to his last game, and LIdstrom from day 1 to who knows when!?!?! To have these guys be the greatest at what they do, perhaps the greatest when it comes to Lidstrom, and to have then play their entire careers in one city, my city, to never have seen them where a different sweater with the exception of the colors of their Country and the All-Star games, is really just sweet topping on what is turning out to be a pretty awesome life I am living. I have had my issues and life problems, stress, near divorce, bankruptcy, but even with all that, these two guys have helped provide a distraction to keep my mind free and giving me something to enjoy even in my darkest hours. Now with my life totally turned around and to look back a reflect on these guys careers without life's problems entering my mind, I just shake my head in awe. Thank you Steve and Nick for the better part of thirty years of my life! Congrats Nick on the award and thank you for playing yet another season...You truly are the best at what you do and an inspiration to watch!
I was out of town and away from internet for a couple of days. And now I am shocked and terrified when I saw the development on this story. I have almost vomit when I read 'Wings offered 2 mils'...
ARE YOU F-KING KIDDING???!!!
This idiot himself has to pay Wings no less than $2 mils to play for the team and he has to pay for a couple thousand season tickets and give it away for charity and then, and only then Wings may consider him...
Mr. Holland, please PASS ON!!! Please do not ruin Nick's last year and his run for the Cup!!!
...when he scores 25-30 goals and has 60+ points, I wonder if people will still be acting this way?
Nik really should have taken even a slight cut... this probably seals it that Ken will go after quick and cheap geezers in free agency.
Not really, with the Cap going up to $64M, Holland still has $15.9M to re-sign Miller/Eaves (both of whom won't cost more than $2M combined) Wisniewski may cost between $4.5M - $5.5M but that still is only $7.5M on the high end still giving Holland $7.5M to get another defensman for around $2M or so. Still leaves $4.5M to either bring up Janik to be #7 or if he wants to overpay Ericsson. Once they trade Hudler, that'll open up $2.89M more so that will be roughly $7M to sign a UFA forward and a solid back-up goalie and a 7th defenseman... Hell, I am listening to the presser right now and Holland just said they are a team that is going to go up to the Cap and spend their money...so who knows whats coming up!?!?!
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR
FORWARDS Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Jaromir Jagr ($2.500m) Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.950m) Drew Miller ($0.850m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m) Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($5.000m) Ed Jovanovski ($3.000m) / Steve Montador ($2.250m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joe Goalie ($0.750m)
SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,517,044; BONUSES: $0 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,482,956
That fact that Holland says they are going to spend up to the Cap is really encouraging! I would love to see a lineup similar to this! Wiz for 5 years, Jovo and Monty for a year each, Jagr/Miller/Eaves for 2 years each. Next year throw the wallet at Suter and or Burns.... God, when you have the cash, the off season is soooo exciting!!!
No thanks, much prefer the posted option. Hudler produces way more than Eaves/Miller; one of them on 4th line, Hudler on 3rd for 3rd scoring line.-
Hudler produces more than Eaves/Miller IF Hudler was making Eaves/Miller money.... but he is making $2.89M, Eaves/Miller actually earn their pay, and then some, so comparably, Eaves/Miller at less than $1M PRODUCE WAY MORE than Hudler at $2.89M. If Hudler made $750,000, we wouldn't be talking about trading him. (well, I might, but that is me! )
Considering how neither of those had consistent linemates, each bouncing from first to third lines and between, I'd say that's nothing to sneeze at. Jagr had 25 goals, 46 assists and 71 points, so he'd likely slide right in.
Then again, why compare Jagr to those two? Holmstrom's a left wing. Jagr's a RW. Bertuzzi oscillates between the wings as needed, as in the BFF line.
I could see Jagr replacing Hudler or Miller easily enough.
trade Hudler for whatever we can get and let Jagr take his spot. But if we do not sign Jagr, sign someone like Jussi Jokinen.
I think the Vancouver defense was exposed against Boston. You can blame some bad goals on Luongo, but he needs help. Bieska and Ehrhoff and the boys hung him out to dry more than a few times. No thanks to Bieska over Wiz, if Holland signed both then cool, but the obvious choice is obvious... Wisniewski! (plus he is right handed)
SOmeone will overpay for Bieska, that someone shouldn't be Holland...
try to get hime for 4-4.75mill. anything over 5 mil and he can walk imo. i want him bad, but not that bad. we still need money for a lidstrom replacement. he shouldn't be making more than kronner when he gets his new contract, and i think we all agreed he'd command less than 5 mil as well.
I happen to believe that Kronwall will get $6M and Stuart will get $5M, add that with Wisniewski at about $5M. You could also try to get Suter for $6M-$7M... Then with Kindl/Smith and someone like Janik for the 7th D, you have roughly $26M in your D corps. Which gives you roughly $38M for your forwards, $21M is already commited, that gives you $17M to sign/re-sign/call up forawrds. You'd have Abdelkader/Helm/Miller/Eaves/Holmstrom/Bertuzzi set to become RFAs/UFAs respectively. I expect Holland would get Abby/Helm for about $2.5M combined. Emmerton and Mursak would be here on their current deals, so Holland would just have to decide on Miller/Eaves (again) and have Tatar and another UFA and/or prospect to make-up the 13/14 forwards. That is if the Cap doesn't move too much from the projected $63.5M it will be this year...(if there is a Cap.)
Heck, I say this July reward Miller/Eaves with at least two year deals at about $1.8M combined, that would be less to worry about next off season.... You might even be able to offer Suter even more too! The Wings are sitting very pretty right now for next year IF Lidstrom plays only one more...That is why one year offers to a few aging vets makes a lot of sense this year to get that Cup now!