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#2335416 Has your opinion of kenny changed?

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 December 2012 - 03:05 PM

My opinion of Kenny has indeed change...usually he comes up with excuse after excuse and his over usage of the term "kicked the tires" and "we need to get bigger" followed up by not getting anyone and drafting small euro's was enough for me to punch the monitor more than once every trade deadline/draft day/UFA season....


This season, starting on draft day:

Martin Frk - 6'0 193lbs

Andreas Anthanasiou - 6'0 179lbs

Mike McKee - 6'4 232lbs

James DeHaas - 6'2 193lbs

Rasmus Bodin - 6'6 207lbs

...and these are all kids! They will grow AND gain weight!


Was deep in the hunt for and offered the same if not very similar contracts to Justin Shultz, Ryan Suter, Zach Parise and while waiting he addressed needs up front like grit, Tootoo, better scoring and defensive play in Sammy, signed the real deal back up in Gustavsson, locked up Helm and Abby for years. He solidified the #6 defense spot with Colaiacovo along with taking a gamble on Quincey and a European phenom in Brunner....he was on the final lists for a lot of players including Suter, Semin & Doan...he offered contracts to all of them. He had a verbal agreement with Suter only to be nixed by Suter's family, a decision Suter will soon regret, if not already. He FINALLY got off the Hudler merry go round and cut ties with him...PLUS he was in deep in trade talks for Bobby Ryan, Keith Yandle and Rick Nash.

I'd say ya, my opionion change, for once in a long time I wanted to punch the UFA's for choosing somewhere else instead of punching Holland for not doing anything...now all he needs to do is admit he made a mistake signing Franzen and letting Hossa walk and all will be right in the world! (of course with the exception of this lockout debacle...)

Holland made me proud to be a Wings fan this summer (as if I wasnt already) and with the prospects coming up, along with that draft class, things look great! I hope he gets Dan DeKeyser under contract to spring and I still wish he had gotten Jeremy Welsh (oh well.) But my opinion is MUCH MUCH better than it has been the last few seasons!

No...thats a terrible arguement and completely erroneous. What one player did in one series for ANOTHER team is irrelevant to what a player on THIS team in this series. We assume he was benched..... but he could have had an injury or a hundred other things. Do you really believe if Helm or Eaves were healthy, Emmerton sees icetime? LOL

Arguing with someone like you is pointless because AGAIN ( pushing the echo button) We, the fans have no idea why tootoo wasnt on the ice and its like comparing appes and banana.

Tootoo is a BETTER player than Emmerton, every single day
Nuff said

Not only is Tootoo a better player than Emmy....he is the best thing we have had to an enforcer since Aaron Downey.

Sammy is bette than Hudler.....Brunner will be great....Tootoo is better than Emmy...unfortunately two guys have to go and those two will come from these four: Emmerton, Mursak, Miller, Eaves. I see Emmerton and Mursak bringing more in return in the form of draft picks than Miller/Eaves and with the plethora of young BETTER talent in the wings, Mursak and Emmerton are VERY expendable... Yes, for a season, the Wings get a tad older, but they get much better...Way to go Holland!

#2335386 Illitch announces plan to build new arena

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 December 2012 - 11:11 AM

I can't help but wonder is for some reason Mr I doesn't make it to see the Grand Opening that it would very appropriate to name it after him..... The Illitch Centre of Entertainment Arena sounds nice....

or affectionately the The I.C.E Arena...

#2335261 Illitch announces plan to build new arena

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 December 2012 - 08:57 AM

If Ilitch builds a new state of the art arena with the "old school" charm of what the Olympia had I bet many here won't feel so bad about leaving the Joe.

ya, just like the Old School charm of Tiger Stadium he built into Comerica....It will be nothing but a cookie cutter arena based on the new Pittsburgh and Columbus arena's...and it will be named something by the highest bidder regardless of where the HQ is for that bidder...ie Comerica Park HQ'd in Texas.

I would love to see an Olympia style arena and I am sticking by my name of Cadillac Centre. (Not only for GM ties but mostly for Antoine Laumet de La Mothe, sieur de Cadillac...founder of Detroit.)

One of you guys LONG ago made up a "Olympia" type rendition of a new arena, you shold repost it in this thread.

#2335112 Holmstrom appreciation thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 02 December 2012 - 10:42 PM

Over 1000 games in a Wings jersey...played his entire career here in Detroit...huge, HUGE piece to the puzzle in the playoffs each year. How many players have played their entire career in one city for over 1000 games? Not many.....Howe, Yzerman, Lidstrom, Delcvecchio....Draper has but he played for Winnipeg before....So Homer is one of 5 players to play their entire 1000+ game careers in Detroit...3 of those 5 have their number's retired, soon to have Lids join them...I am sure #96 will not go to the rafters, but something has to be said of Holmstrom's RARE stat...you cannot ignore the 1000+ games for one team his entire career.

#2334819 [Retired] Official Lockout Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 27 November 2012 - 05:15 PM

Ryan Miller with a detailed explanation of why he's in favour of decertification, from the Globe and Mail.
Maybe Roman Hamrlik should start his own union. But, he shouldn't count on Erik Cole and Troy Brouwer joining.

...and I just lost all respect for Ryan Miller...

Decertify the Union and return to the good old days of owners actually "owning" players....

Everyone out there who thinks the Union is the bad seed here please go watch the movie "Net Worth."

The owners are no different than the CEO's of this world...If Hostess hads't taught you anything then nothing will...liqiudate the company and STILL award CEO's and Top managment MILLIONS of dollars in bonuses...They sure were hurting for money, eh?

#2333051 Red Wings Off Season: I Give Them an A

Posted by LeftWinger on 30 October 2012 - 04:47 PM

are you joking?

Filppula will demand somewhere between 4 and 5 if he stays on track (1-2 mil more)
White is on a bargain contract right now and will probably get the same as Quincey (1 mil more)
Howard is worth well beyond 2 mil. Probably should expect at least 4 for him (2 mil more)
If Brunner turns out to be the real deal he'll probably expect something like Flips got on his first contract (2 mil more)

We'll have to spend around 5-7 mil if those guys perform as expected

and on your roster you have 2.5 to spend

And I have not even gotten to RFA's yet, which will include Smith, Nyquist, and Kindl. All will be lookign for 1-way deals that will effect the cap.

Again, Suter and Parises Minny contracts would have crippled us financially. Thankfully Holland didn't sign them to those ridiculous contracts.

EDIT: Not to mention you'll have Cleary and Miller as UFA and Mursak as RFA as well

Not to mention if Brunner scores 25-30 goals they will need to re-sign him too!

They can sign Dekeyser and either trade Kindl or let him go RFA...

agreed on the other points, they really cannot let White go after losing Rafalski, Lidstrom and Stuart...not unless the somehow acquire a stud via the fire sale....

Trade Emmy and Mursak....they have Miller and a soon to be returning Eaves...I'd also let Cleary go or trade him at the deadline (his NTC expired last deadline.) There are too many folks waiting to come up and they are running out of options to play in Rapids...

(sure wish Holland would have offer a contract to Welsh...Carolina is damn lucky to have him!)

#2332998 Red Wings Off Season: I Give Them an A

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 October 2012 - 06:33 PM

Lost too much depth to be an A off season, its a D+/C- off season.


Lost too much depth? We lost Lidstrom (who is unreplacable) and Stuart... Replaced with Quincey, Smith and Colaiacovo... those three more than replace Staurt...again, you cannot replace Lidstrom, nort even with Suter...

up front we lost Hudler, Holmstrom and will probably lose two of Miller/Eaves/Mursak/Emmerton...replaced with Tootoo, Sammy, Brunner a full time Nyquist and long term Helm and Abby...GRR has nice depth to fill injuries...

We lost the revolving door of a back up to Howard and gained a legit #2 in the Monster.

I give Holland an A for trying to land all the top talent in the UFA market, all in all, I give the off season a B+ considering that with the exception of Lidstrom, everyone that was signed was an upgrade to the folks we lost....

The only thing I would change is I would have shopped around Franzine, but who knows, maybe he did that too!

Lidstrom = Unreplacable

Quincey/Smith better than Stuart

Colaiacovo better than Commie and Kindl still #7

Sammy better than Hudler

Nyquist better than Holmstrom

Tootoo better than any "tough" guy since Downey

Helm and Abby here long term....and happy to be!

Gustavsson better than Conklin/MacDonald combined.

not to even mention the awesome draft Holland had! He went big and skilled and tough, everything we have been bitching at him to do for years!

Get this CBA taken care of, sign Dekeyser after his senior year is up, trade Emmy/Mursak/Kindl for some picks and lets get this thing rolling! If the season goes kaput, then so be it, but this team is still deeper than it was last season...and better with the exception of Lids...

#2332968 Red Wings Off Season: I Give Them an A

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 October 2012 - 11:57 AM

Alot of us agree that they did very well this offseason despite missing out on the TOP free agents...

I really wanted Suter and was neither here nor there with Parise....but oh well...

Holland tired and made it pubically known that he tried for all the "top" targeted guys...Suter, Parise, Shultz...which in years past he either didn't try or didn't make it known that he tried...he would just say "we kicked the tires and liked what we had..." Well I said it before and I will say it again, he kicked the s*** out of those tires this year, I give him an A for trying... The guys he did get address thier needs, the guys they already had will play a huge role this season and for pete's sake we finally have no Hudler on this team!!!!

Besides there is always the post lockout fire sale that may go on too...you never know who Franzen is gonna get us when that starts!

#2332963 Missing Wings This Fall (anyone heard anything on Franzen yet?)

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 October 2012 - 11:48 AM

Franzen is somewhere sitting in his lazy chair...trying to figure out why he cannot stay interested in playing his PS3 for a whole game...

#2332962 Ryan Suter pissed off

Posted by LeftWinger on 29 October 2012 - 11:43 AM

of course he regrets it...lockout or not, he wasn't signing with the Wild until his family convinced him to. He regrets it now and when he is about to retire 13 years from now with ZERO Stanley Cups he will really regret not signing with a real contender (not just Detroit, but a handfull of others that wanted him too...)

#2331559 Quincey to play for Denver Cutthroats CHL Hockey Team

Posted by LeftWinger on 14 October 2012 - 07:32 AM

That's cool.....

This just in.....Ryan Suter and Zach Parise are wooed by KHL team, but entire family unwilling to move to Russia...ubilical cord wont reach that far so they decide to sit it out close to family...

#2328900 2012 Lockout Watch

Posted by LeftWinger on 15 September 2012 - 04:42 PM

You think the likes of Phoenix is bleeding cash now? Lock the players out again...we'll be back down to 24 teams in the NHL.

Bettman = Worst thing to happen to professional sports.

#2327813 One Dumb move made by each team this offseason

Posted by LeftWinger on 05 September 2012 - 06:41 PM

Well it's not like the salary cap will end up going down significantly, leaving them to cut a huge amount of salary when the season actually starts. Oh wait....

What's funny about this scenario is, Ryan Suter said he called Dany Heatley and asked him if they could win in Minnesota and Heatley said "yes" and that made his decision to scoff the Wings and go with in-laws a little easier, so if the cap goes down and they have to dump salary, Heatley will be the one traded... I find this very ironic and f**ckin All-Star hilarious!

on a side note, I cannot wait for Suter to regret being swayed by his in-laws...verbal agreement with Detroit, then persuaded to go to Minny by wife and her family...for basically pennies more (when it comes to the millions he signed for) that is sad...so sad...

#2327717 Franzen Trade Bait? Possibly!

Posted by LeftWinger on 04 September 2012 - 03:10 PM

Lol... Meaningless points. Didn't he break Fedorov's record for most GWG's in a season

No....Fedorov had 11 twice. If the GWG actaully meant Game Winning Goal, then even Franzine's 10 would mean something, but GWG only means the goal that the other team lost by, so it really means nothing, especially in the case where you are up 6-0 in the second period and the other team falls short of the comeback and loses 6-5, that 6th should NOT be a GWG. A GWG stat should only be counted if the goal unties the game in the third period or later...

Game tying and Game winning goals should only add up in the third period (or later for the Game winner)

#2327642 Franzen Trade Bait? Possibly!

Posted by LeftWinger on 04 September 2012 - 09:15 AM


I love anything to do with Franzen being an EX-Red Wing! To dump Hudler and Franzen in the same off season would not only make me happy, but will instantly make this team less soft! Don't worry, the goals will be made up for, we won' miss them...