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#2242548 1/7 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Maple Leafs 4

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 11:58 PM

You have lost it.

And half of them have come when the game is tied.


Yeah, and we have to pay him a whole 4 million a season. Everyone run for the hills, because we won't be able to improve the team or trade him like ever.

It only took a year for Franzen to turn from "the most clutch player next to Zetterberg" to "the least clutch player on the team".

I'm not even saying Franzen has been up to par this season. But you are just getting ridiculous. The guy is struggling but still able to have more goals than anyone else on the team.

Temper the over the top hate.

Half of them have not come when the game was tied. Of those 8 GWG's, most of them were goals he scored when the team went up 2 or 3 goals and the other team fell short of a comeback and by default his goal was the game winner. Show me 8 GWG's from him when the score was tied and I will take back everything I have said.

edit: thought not.

#2242545 Cherry rips Holland

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 11:53 PM

Video up

Well, after watching that, I have to say this was blown out of proportion by someone here. He wasn't mocking Holland, he just said, hey, you are gonna have to go into places like Boston and if you don't have someone who is willing to drop em and defend your teammates, then you aren't gonna win.

Boston, San Jose they are going to bounce you around again and again. I agree with Cherry. Wings lack that Avery type player, Lapointe, Drake, Rouse. They don't need a Probert.

#2242534 Cherry rips Holland

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 11:25 PM

Exactly who was theirs in 2008? Running from hockeyfights.com...

Downey? Won 7 of 10, but several in close decisions. Lilja? Three, all draws. Drake? Lost 3 of five. McCarty? Zero fighting majors.

you don't have to win them all, just be willing to go. Downey, Lilja, Drake, McCarty. Any one of who would drop the gloves at the first run at Datsyuk or Lidstrom. We don't have a regular player like that now. And when our star players are getting beat on in the regular season, it takes it's toll on their bodies and they are hurting in the playoffs. If a Aaron Downey was there to protect them in the regular season, they are that less hurting come playoffs.

#2242532 Losing: a reoccuring theme

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 11:16 PM

Scoring...we have certain players that only score when the pressure is off, and when they do, they score in bunches to pad their stats, but fail to show up when really needed. The Wings are near the top of the league in goals for, but how many of those came in that stretch when they score 7 goals every game at home? Our sniper scores half his goals in November and them doesn't score a meaningful goal for three months. Change is needed and I hope change is coming. We need a scorer that can be relied upon to score when the chips are down...

#2242530 1/7 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Maple Leafs 4

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 11:09 PM

Have to agree. Hudler at least showed some grit tonight, I'll give him that. I think we're getting to the point where turning a win into a blowout isn't really needed, but someone to turn a one goal deficit into a tie-game is.

totally agree. Franzen is by far not the only one that needs to show up more, but he IS our sniper, right? At least that is what we are being told...he is better than Hossa....from what I hear..

#2242525 Cherry rips Holland

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 10:56 PM

I'll just summarize the responses for you here:

Crymson: "NO! The Wings are perfect and Holland had nice hair! They do not need a tough guy."

Konnan: "You're all just xenophobic euro-haters. They score plenty of points with 'soft-euros'."

Various: "Fighting in hockey is useless. You should just watch UFC, you don't even like hockey."

Holland: "The right deal just wasn't available, but we're confident that some players will take that next step..."

You forgot the most important one:

"You don't like Hudler and Franzen? You are not a true Wings fan, why don't you go root for the Penguins?"

#2242524 1/7 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Maple Leafs 4

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 10:54 PM

we needed him today and he wasn't there. Some sniper we have... He is worse than Hudler...

You mean like the one time he did that this season?

half his goals have come when we were already winning...not very clutch. Sorry, I just expect more from our "Sniper." He is supposed to be up there with the rest of the NHL snipers, he needs to score when the team needs it, like tonight! Very disappointed in Franzen I am. And we are stuck with him and that God awful contract....like forever.

You know he is horrible when it comes down to being clutch. He just floats around out there most nights and never shows up when needed....much like tonight.

#2242503 1/7 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Maple Leafs 4

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 09:47 PM

It is funny how he gets ripped for that when he still has been leading the team in goals (and tied for second in points).

What does that say about the rest of the team when the inconsistent Franzen continues to lead in that category despite his poor recent play?

agreed. But sure needed him to put a goal in tonight, not when we are winning 5-0 already.

#2242502 Cherry rips Holland

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 09:45 PM

Wings win. That's all that matters. Sounds like insecurities from him. Wings don't need a tough man to win. FACT.

Fact? Tell me one Stanley Cup they won without one? Sure they win in the regular season and give it a go in the playoffs, but where are the FACTS? I am not advocating an enforcer, just a tough guy who will fight when needed.

#2242332 1/7 GDT : Red Wings 3 at Maple Leafs 4

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 07:40 PM

Corey Perry would help us right now.

Now would be a great time for our sniper to snipe away and score a couple...you hear me Franzen?

#2242247 Jiri Hudler Appreciation Thread

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 06:48 PM

Now the question becomes, if he keeps playing like this and comes in around 55-60 points for the season...should we re-sign him and how much is $ is a reasonable contract?

No, we should NOT re-sign him. Either trade him or let him explore his UFA options. He no doubt will want way too much than he deserves, or what I want to see Holland pay.

#2242185 Flyers fans attack Rangers fans after Winter Classic

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 01:08 PM

I love the FB comment saying the guy licked his girlfriends ***! Well, it's all fun and game until a *** gets licked! I have been to plenty of "events" where drunk girls are whipping out there **** for one reason or another and for the most part they are accompanied by their boyfriends/husbands (or girlfriends, hey it's 2012) and there has been plenty of questionable touching, squeezing and yes licking. Not that it is alright to do this, but it happens and it happens a lot. Would he have reacted the same if another female licked her? Doubt it. So in a way I say he was a drunk idiot, but in another way, if this indeed happened maybe he was defending his girl in some manner. Maybe it wasn't about a Rangers fan vs. a Flyers fan, maybe chivalry isn't dead? I don't know, but I do know women like to expose themselves at celebrations for some reason and they have to expect certain things to happen in a drunk crowd. If the boyfriend is encouraging it, he has to expect it as well, but when the line gets crossed and at that point your woman feels violated then it was time to step up, and I have a feeling that this guy in the Rangers sweater wasn't just standing there not saying anything to the Flyers fan. It my woman even got touched in the wrong fashion, I don't care what sweater the guy was wearing, he is gonna get hit. First by my wife, then by me, if he is left standing after she hit him...

At least the guy defended his girl, it would have been sad if the Rangers fan got to lick the *** and then beat the hell out of the boyfriend...

I am not defending the violence, but I am just saying that if the licking happened then the Rangers fan had a beating coming...

#2242160 Realignment Not Occuring Next Year

Posted by LeftWinger on 07 January 2012 - 10:52 AM


NHLPA statement.

Ok, fine, but what do you suggest then NHLPA? Keep Winnipeg in the East and Detroit and Columbus in the West and instead of evening out the travel schedule for all, lets just continue to punish a few teams that travel more than any other team in the league! I am waitng PA, let's see your proposal, if you didn't like the NHL's, then show us yours....simple. Unless you have something better, you are taking away from the fans who I do believe were 99.99999% on board with seeing every team in the league for the first time in a long long time.

I'd like to know who the whiny millionaire players who were concerned about their personal travel were? You play for the fans and the team, the more fans you make happy, the more money you get....cry me a river.

I didn't like the new realignment anyway, so it doesn't bother me the PA rejected it. The owners liked it because it meant they could raise ticket prices even more, with more out of Conference "elite games".

I'd like to see the PA crush the Owners this time, so Bettman is out the door. Time for some new blood. America has had 3 Presidents since Bettman took over. Imagine how sick of Clinton we'd be if he was still around?

Not as sick as if Bush were still around or if Obama gets re-elected...

Also, why doesn't the NHL just do what my place of business did when they had issues with the Union? They just did what they wanted and then dealt with the grievances later (which they won most of the time anyhow) and now I don't have a Union as these acts eventually broke the Union and now they just do what they want...Use the Dave Bing tactics.

#2242018 Open Season on Ducks

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 January 2012 - 05:09 PM

Franzen, Hudler, Kindl, Andresson, Ferraro, McCollum, Nestrasil, ANY of our D prospects. You just cannot pass on Perry or Getzlaf. I would acquire them both if I could. Ya, now I am dreaming in EA Sports land, but those two on Detroit would make us almost instant favorites, and face it, with the improvements Chicago and San Jose has done this year, Detroit needs to step it up and this would be a great move.

We have the Cap space for both, they are signed through next season. The Wings are over their head deep in great prospects and could easily afford to give up a few of them. McCollum is NOT going to be backup to Howard, he is going to want to be a starter in the NHL and will probably leave as a Free Agent before Howard is ready to give up the #1 spot, so you could easily trade McCollum especially with how good Mrazek is playing. Next season you will be shopping or a #1 defenseman, not another #7 so Kindl and the rest of the prospects are fair game. You could go down the list of top 25 prospects in our organization and chose three or four that you could really live without, so if losing Franzen & Hudler and prospects in exchange for Getzlaf and Perry, I am doing it. You have to ask yourself, if this trade were in the works, which Detroit team has a better chance to compete with Chicago/San Jose and actually win the Cup this year or next, the one with Franzen/Hudler on it, or the one with Getzlaf/Perry? Holland made a mistake in 2009 by letting Hudler handcuff him by coming back and re-signing Franzen. He lost Hossa who said he wanted to stay and would take considerably less to do so. Here is Holland chance to make ammends on that mistake, get rid of Franzen & Hudler and make his team much better and tougher to play against in the form of Getzlaf and Perry. That is a blockbuster trade that will workout for both teams. PLUS it allows Holland to just focus on replacing Lidstrom next year instead of trying to find that power forward and sniper along with a #1 defender.

I know it is hard to say goodbye to homegrown talent. Guys who have grown up in our system, but in the end, it's all about the crest on the front of the sweater. I hope Holland doesn't make the same mistakes he made in 2009 by passing on better players to keep Franzen & Hudler...

EDIT: Also, ask yourself this, who you rather have these two or would you rather see Chicago, San Jose, Vancouver or worse yet Pitt or Toronto or Boston get one or both of them? If that happens then you not only lose out on acquiring two great players, but you also take two steps back from being on par with the elite teams in the NHL.

#2241966 Open Season on Ducks

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 January 2012 - 01:07 PM

people forget that Mule is a BEAST in the playoffs when he is healthy. He has 72 points in 83 playoff games in his career. He was playing injured last year in the playoffs but here's his point total before that:

2008 18 in 16 games
2009 23 in 23 games
2010 16 in 12 games

Why would we even think of trading one of the top playoff performers in the league? Because he's streaky in the regular season? Are you people frickin crazy?

You have to give up something if you want something. In 2001 Holland traded away perhaps one of the best playoff performers AND prolific regular season scorer we had in order to get a goalie he felt we needed. He traded Kozlov AND a 1st for Hasek. I think an exchange that involved Franzen for either Getzlaf or Perry would be a great move. Franzen, Hudler and Kindl are three players from the big club who can and should be shopped come deadline day. If Holland could trade any combo these three plus prospects and get a Getzlaf and or Perry and or Ryan, then it is a no brainer...