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#2203690 Crosby's 2012 Season now in Question

Posted by LeftWinger on 14 August 2011 - 03:10 PM

Karma for carrying Matt Cooke on their team.


Karma for all the diving he did/does when he barely gets tapped....now he knows what a real hit feels like!

...besides, he come back and play half the season and they will "give" him another trophy, the Masterson Trophy. Then they will fill the NHL airwaves full of talk about what heart and dedication he has, and how he is the only "true champion" for coming back from his injury. I can see Eddie Olczyk (and Carmen) wiping the jizz off his face already.

I have no sympathy for him as a player (as a person I do hope he is ok to live a nice life,) this is what happens when you start believing the hype and think you are bigger than the game...the game stands up at the blueline and knocks you out...Eric Lindros part II...

If he comes back, great, but if he is done, I won't lose any sleep over it.

This is a bummer. I wonder how the Pens will adapt if he misses an extended period of time again.

They'll trade us Joe Morrow for Jiri Hudler and Jakub Kindl.... :ninja: (only in my dreams)

#2203412 Third line players who suck

Posted by LeftWinger on 12 August 2011 - 09:03 AM

Hudler is what he is, a small OFFENSIVE player, with not a lot of defensive awareness. There are a s*** load of them around the league and used properly they SCORE POINTS and some have conracts that make Hudler's look like chicken feed. He needs to be used as a sniper (Brett Hull type) if the Wings are unable to create that invironment for him then they should have traded him a long time ago. I'm not saying he would ever be as good as Hull but on the right line I think he could become a 60/70 point producer. Defensively I don't think he is any worse than Fransen, and I sure as hell don't think Fransen is any more physical.

As much as I dislike hudler as a player, I can agree with everything you said! I hope he becomes a 70+ point scorer, I really do, but next year so if he re-signs here it will be cheap. If he gets 70 pts this year, he get $5M.

#2203400 This writer has no clue

Posted by LeftWinger on 12 August 2011 - 07:39 AM

What is funny, I think, is the fact that this guy says Kronner is top 4 and Letang is top 2 in the league. Granted Kronwall may not be top 2, but as Letanf showed when Crosby went down, he is not a top 2 defenseman.

On the subject, Hemsky would be nice here, but at the expense of Helm or Kronwall is just idiotic. Where can I apply for a job, because I can (and have) proposed silly trades like this for free, I would love to get paid to do it!

#2203393 Third line players who suck

Posted by LeftWinger on 12 August 2011 - 06:17 AM

Calm down. Eva's point was that Hudler's producing OK for a third liner.

...and that, according to his thread title, Holmstrom sucks. My point is Holmstrom at 37 points is 100,000,000 times better than Hudler, at any point in his career.... Hudler will never be anywhere near the player Holmstrom was/is/will be.

#2203390 Third line players who suck

Posted by LeftWinger on 12 August 2011 - 05:18 AM

Given all of the Hudler hate on the board, and the fact that people think his performance last season was terrible, horrible, whatever description you like, I thought I would ask this question.

What third-line (based on ice time) players around the league do you think 'suck' who plays a scoring role, yet still put up around 40 points? I'd like to see the list of names this board comes up with just so we have an idea of who is having comparable seasons to what Hudler did last year. I'll start it off with a few names:

Mason Raymond, Vancouver
Tomas Kopecky, Chicago
Devin Setoguchi, San Jose
Anthony Stewart, Atlanta
Tomas Holmstrom, Detroit
James van Riemsdyk, Philadelphia
Brian Boyle, Rangers

There are a great deal more out there. Anyone care to list them? Who out there is a terrible player who played in a scoring role and put up similar numbers to Hudler?

How about notably worse numbers? We can bring up these guys:

Ruslan Fedotenko, Rangers
Marc Savard, Boston
Jason Arnott, Washington
Radek Dvorak, Atlanta

:hysterical: You are so funny, first of all Holmstrom is 38 years old, and he is STILL out performing Hudler at 26. Same amount of points last year in the same amount of games, but Holmstrom's points are earned in a way that Hudler could NEVER understand NOR would he ever attempt. I'd take one Holmstrom over four Hudler's anytime and anyday. We aren't even going to mention Holmstrom's worth to this team over Hudler in the the playoffs... You are just taking your love for Hudler way too far now bud, just stop, please, stop.

#2200700 Would We Have Won In 2002 If ...

Posted by LeftWinger on 24 July 2011 - 08:56 AM

Could've, Should've, Would've...I understand wanting to debate this, and I hope its not to bring Osgood down any, but honestly you could say, IF to anything. I for one, believe Osgood should go to the HOF AND get his number retired by the Wings, but I do agree, if it weren't for Hasek, the Wings (even with all their HOF's) would not have beaten Colorado in 2002. Which just proves that "your gramma" could not have won playing behind the Wings, because even with the HOF's playing that year, they still needed Hasek to stand on his chin. Thus proving when Osgood won, it wasn't only because of the players in front of him, he won because of his abilities as well, and if it weren't for a MVP 3 on 5 shift by Zetterberg in 2008, Osgood would've hands down been the Conn Smythe winner. He still should've in my opinion, he came in and won like 9 games in a row or something like that. I know this is not a Osgood HOF debate, sorry...

#2199229 Chris Osgood announces retirement

Posted by LeftWinger on 19 July 2011 - 05:22 AM

:lol: at a -2 for saying Osgood/Draper should retire and for Holland to spend money... Oh boo hoo, someone says my little Ozzie should retire... Do you think he should play until he is 70? He is too injured, do you want a back-up that'll win for you in the playoffs? I never said they suck, but just that its over, they should retire and Holland should spend the money elsewhere, but again, some folks just think the "old Wings" should stay here and never retire and if you say something different, they'll neg you.

I hope this conference is to announce his retirement. The Wings need to acquire Nabokov to really push Jimmy to the next level, Osgood cannot do that.

#2199144 Chris Osgood announces retirement

Posted by LeftWinger on 18 July 2011 - 07:58 PM

I sure hope it is retirement....Does Holland really think Osgood is the best back up option? I guess Nabokov isn't worth Hudler to him....or is it the Isle's dont want Hudler?

edit: I am a huge history buff, but damn I am growing tired of nostalgia on this team...Draper, Osgood, it's time to go, hang them up, retire! SPEND THE MONEY HOLLAND! TRADE HUDLER!

#2198492 Backup Goalie?

Posted by LeftWinger on 14 July 2011 - 10:56 AM

Wow, how does Barrie get a neg for this post??
I voted Wildcard too..look out little red minus button!

Just because someone doesn't like the fact that his opinion is Osgood is done. Instead of replying to his post and debating that they think Osgood isn't done, some narrow minded user just hits neg because they love Osgood and want him here even when he is 60. The neg button should come with an explanation requirement. You should be required to explain why you disagree with someone so much that you give them a neg...

I like Osgood too, but I also believe he is done. Does that mean I think he sucks? No. He is just too injured to be the best option at back up goalie...it's just reality.

Hudler for Nabokov....boom...make it happen Kenny!

#2197759 RFA/UFA Signings

Posted by LeftWinger on 10 July 2011 - 08:02 PM

But just so I can get this straight, you think Hudler is a *****, right? And you want to replace him with Semin? Can I get you to confirm for me that you'd rather have Semin than a *****?

I don't disagree that they are but huge pussys, but at least Semin's ***** squirts and I can enjoy it more! :blink:

Hudler is just a useless dried up ***** that not only doesn't hit or battle for the puck, but cannot score for crap. So they are both pussys, but Semin at least scores...and unlike Hudler, if you put Semin on Datsyuk's line, he will flourish...

#2197757 Emmerton vs. Conner

Posted by LeftWinger on 10 July 2011 - 07:51 PM

Emmerton is quick and has good skill, so would fit well as a substitute when Franzen/Holmstrom/Bert miss games, or on one of the top three lines if he makes the top-twelve. Conner doesn't have the hands or hockey sense to play an offensive role, but he is a hard worker and a good grinder despite his size; and he's fast. Conner in the lineup for Abdelkader would make for a Mursak/Helm/Conner line, allowing the Wings to utilize Eaves' shot on a scoring line.

Potential lineups with each player:



Both of those are solid lineups, but I think I prefer to run with this regular lineup:


It's certainly easy to plug Emmerton into Abdelkader's spot in that lineup as the third line center, also.

:hysterical: Hudler on all your top lines...

I prefer Emmerton AND Conner in the lineup instead of Hudler...


...but seriously, if we are stuck with Hudler, I'd say unless there is a trade in the works, let them battle it out in camp. I am leaning toward Emmerton because he put his "time" in, but if COnner is as fast as they say, he could compliment Helm and Eaves wonderfully... It's fun to be a Wings fan thus far this year!

#2197498 RFA/UFA Signings

Posted by LeftWinger on 09 July 2011 - 08:02 AM

I think his point was more that Hudler shouldn't be shuttled out for nothing in an effort to get Semin as a rental. Which you agreed with. Washington is unlikely to trade Semin for Hudler straight, and if they are trading Semin they will be wanting to drop $2m in cap space to be compliant. So if you put Hudler there, that means only $3.8m more in the deal, maximum. So who is added in? Filppula? Stuart? Ericsson? You're also going to see a pick and possibly a prospect given up. Still want to make the deal? I sure don't. We'd basically be looking at Huds and Flip vs. Semin and Emmerton. Which duo provides more offense? Which provides more defense? Which is better physically? Huds and Flip win on all three counts.

Hudler and the word physically together.... :hysterical:

Hudler provides more offense than Semin? You slay me! Thanks for making my day funny!

#2197412 Best Current Russian Player

Posted by LeftWinger on 08 July 2011 - 06:03 PM

As of right now, when healthy, Dats is best complete hockey player in the world. Thats regardless of what country.


...AND regardless of Crosby being healthy or injured. Best COMPLETE hockey player. Period. (cue a carmen "Crosby Rules" reply)

#2197008 Wiz is a dick.

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 July 2011 - 11:17 PM

I don't agree with the notion that Detroit doesn't pay players what they're valued, I think it's that players who WANT to come here don't mind taking pay-cuts because they know there are very few places that have a legit chance every year to not only make the playoffs, but make it far and challenge for a Cup...Detroit being one of them. Sure I wanted and wanted Wiz to be a Red Wing, but I didn't know his attitude towards being a Red Wing, like someone said it's his loss and he burned any bridge or chance of EVER becoming a Red Wing, so he is gonna have to just bounce around year after year making his $5.5M, guarantee he WILL NOT complete his contract in Columbus, if he makes two whole seasons I will be surprised. He could have come here for the same 6 years at a $4.5M to $5M per and knowing what we know about how Detroit treats their players, he would've not only finished that contract here, but finished his career here as well. Oh well...and concerning his comments and negativity about playing in Detroit, where is Patrick Roy when you need him?

#2197005 Gittin Tougher

Posted by LeftWinger on 06 July 2011 - 10:51 PM

Fighting aside, it's the sticking up for your teammates is what I hope he does and then it rubs off on Abdelkader and Ericsson. It drove me nuts when Stuart was targeted and got his jaw busted and Ericsson and Abdelkader did nothing what-so-ever. They just stood there and looked stupid. Stuart, at the time, was Detroit's best defenseman and he was railroaded and knocked out of the season by a career minor leaguer trying to making a name for himself and nobody stood up for Stuart. Commodore will do that when necessary, and if it leads to a fight or 4 or 10, then bonus for us! But Ericsson was signed and paid accordingly, not because of his offensive abilities, but his size and strength, this is the year he needs to display that and use it to his advantage. He needs to get mean, nasty and stick up for teammates. He needs to hang out with countryman Doug Murray and learn how to throw his body around. E will never be a Lidstrom or even Kronwall in the scoring department, but he can before a fierce hitter and a physical body in front of the net, with the right influence and guidance. I believe the likes of Abby, Eaves and Miller can benefit as well, being physical, just go out there and without getting out of position, punish the other team physically! That is what made Aaron Downey so valuable to this team when he was here and especially in 07-08, he just ran everyone down and got the crowd and team into the game, it's too bad he got out of position alot though...