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In Topic: Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion

19 July 2016 - 12:12 AM

It's always really tough for me in debates like this because we haven't seen a lot of the guys who have received the honors. I surely didn't watch Gordie play 20+ full seasons, Or a full season for half of the other names hanging in the rafters. What truly makes a legend worthy of being permanently enshrined in team history that no other player can wear their number again? 


I've been watching since about 1989-1990 when I was old enough to really follow and enjoy the sport. There are two absolutely firm, undeniable champions of this team, and they were Yzerman and Lidstrom. If I am going to war, I want Yzerman as my General. If we are being invaded, I want Lidstrom on the front lines of defense. Both guys, for me, were slam dunks and unquestionable. 


I'm not sure I feel that way about any of the 4 in debate in this thread, but if there were one, the most impactful, the most statistically superior and significant, it would be Osgood. You also need to consider that you are stacking one goalie against 18 skaters on each team, and the rarity of having a goaltender outshine the other 18 players on the ice is uncommon. 30 starting goalies compared to 540 skaters each season (obviously not considering call-ups, injuries, changes in starting roles, etc.)


My point being, it's a bigger feat to be a difference maker in net compared to being a difference maker as a skater. In the record books, for wins, playoff wins, if there is a true Red Wing goaltender in the entire history of the team, as both an onlooker looking at the statistics, and a fan of the team that witnessed the accomplishments, he is the 2nd greatest Red Wings goaltender in the history of this team. He wasn't flashy, he had his bad moments (and awful ones) but who hasn't?


Do I personally think he deserves it? Yes. Will he receive the honor? I truly don't know. A case can be made for all 4 of these players.

In Topic: Should any of #91, #13, #40, #30 be retired? Poll/Discussion

18 July 2016 - 11:15 PM

I'd give my opinion on Hasek vs Roy vs Brodeur but Puckloo might call to have me lynched.  :scared:


I couldn't vote because solely Osgood wasn't an option. I wasn't even a big fan of the guy, but it's very hard to deny the numbers he put up for the team as a whole, and it's about individual team effort, heart, and contribution that puts you among the legends in the rafters. 

In Topic: Shea Weber for Pernal Karl Subban

18 July 2016 - 11:10 PM

I live about 45 minutes from Nashville, for the fans and the community, be it a seemingly small one, I hope he does well here and it draws more fans to the sport. It may even get me out to my first Preds game, I've lived here 3 years, maybe it's about time. 


I'm personally a big fan of the guy, he has a big heart, a big personality, and was overwhelmingly charitable for his community when playing in Montreal. He's good for the sport, plain and simple. I hope he's well received in Tennessee. 

In Topic: Who do you have as the top 5 Wings of all time..

03 July 2016 - 03:55 PM

I don't think it's that close between them to be honest. I think Dats just has the "WoW" factor because of his dangles. Truly Fedorov was the best player in the league for a good 2-3 years. 


Feds was a 50 goal scorer, had more than 10 game winning goals in so many seasons. He also had 31 short handed goals! (holy crap) And the fact that Bowman was able to put Fedorov on defense (where he did really well)  truly shows how good he was as a two way player. Also I think there was a time when Fedorov was one of the best faceoff guys in the league as well. 


Not to mention Fedorov was the fastest hockey player in the world for a long time. A lot of these factors are something Dats lacked imo. 


I think if there's any player that I've witnessed as the most complete player, my vote would go to Fedorov. However I'd rank Yzerman before him simply because Stevie was a better playoff performer. Which at the end of the day.. is what matters most. 

I agree with most of this, but i'm also putting into consideration the team that Fedorov was around, compared to Datsyuk, especially in these later years. Fedorov thrived in a cap-free league with a lot of elite players around him. He also eventually moved on to a different NHL team whereas Datsyuk was a career Red Wing.


It's tough as a fan of both players, but I liked Datsyuk more overall and I think that sways my decision a bit also. 

In Topic: Who do you have as the top 5 Wings of all time..

03 July 2016 - 01:01 PM

On topic..my list is as follows. 


1) Howe

2) Yzerman

3) Lidstrom

4) Sawchuk

5) Datsyuk


I'm torn between Datsyuk and Fedorov, I think I give Dats the edge for having the more complete all around game, but it's a difficult choice. 


And for the record, Howe not making a list is borderline criminal. You can't entirely discredit a legend of the sport due to the time period he played in.