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I'll just summarize the responses for you here: Crymson: "NO! The Wings are perfect and Holland had nice hair! They do not need a tough guy." Konnan: "You're all just xenophobic euro-haters. They score plenty of points with 'soft-euros'." Various: "Fighting in hockey is useless. You should just watch UFC, you don't even like hockey." Holland: "The right deal just wasn't available, but we're confident that some players will take that next step..."

Thankfully this Brian Burke team can't handle a playoff position either.

Let's rock!

Howard was brutal in Dallas, he was the first to admit it. But to blame him for tonight... come on. Yah, he defs looked bad on that 4th goal, but on the other goals he was hung out to dry. The Wings have been dominant in most games recently, the only problem has been WAYYYYYYYYY too many breakaways and 2 on 1s against us!!! The past few games, the amt of breakaways and 2 on 1s against us has been terrible. I really like White, but he needs to watch when he is pinching for the puck because its always Nick back defending on 2 on 1s... so Babcock needs to get that sorted out. Other than that I thought Pavel was our best player tonight, Cleary was our worst. I am also not happy Babs put Kindl into the lineup when Commie has been playing extremely well and we have been winning. If anything, Ericsson is pylon so let him sit. Hopefully Babs gets things ready to go tomorrow in Chicago so we can take over 2nd place in the west. One other little thing that has been bugging me is the lack of powerplays the Wings are getting. Tonight, for example, they DOMINATED the game since their timeout, but yet they only got one powerplay?! They drew at least 3 legit calls imo, but no calls were made. To top that, their powerplay tonight is their only powerplay in 2 games!? The refs need to do a better job and never mind calling bogus penalty shots against us, and start to call the game properly.

The Wings haven't won a Cup without an enforcer. We haven't had playoff sucess the last 2 seasons and haven't made many changes, I haven't seen the video yet but it doesn't seem to me as though Don is saying anything but true things. If he is sarcastically mocking Kenny then he can go on, but the toughness issue cannot be argued against.

Devils take a 3-1 lead.

Have to agree. Hudler at least showed some grit tonight, I'll give him that. I think we're getting to the point where turning a win into a blowout isn't really needed, but someone to turn a one goal deficit into a tie-game is.

Fact? Tell me one Stanley Cup they won without one? Sure they win in the regular season and give it a go in the playoffs, but where are the FACTS? I am not advocating an enforcer, just a tough guy who will fight when needed.

New Jersey takes the lead on Pittsburgh with two goals in a little over 3 minutes, the first being shorthanded. Bwahaha. That makes me happy.

The Wings have won 4 Cups since a Canadian team last won one. Their teams are a ******* joke. And so is their beer!

Possibly. But Bettman and the NHL made this move much more likely by not involving the NHLPA in the process until now. A while back in an interview about the realignment, Bettman was openly condescending towards the union and about how they'll check with them but don't really have to be consulted. The league went ahead with this process and by not involving the NHLPA from the start put them in the position of having to put the brakes on this if they didn't agree. Now they're painting the union as the bad guy for delaying things, which is idiotic. If there's a massive reorganization like that, doesn't it seem like they should have involved the people who actually play the hockey games BEFORE they decided to go ahead with the plan? The posturing has definitely begun, but it's not like it's only come from the NHLPA. Bettman has nothing but open disdain for the players union and sets a very divisive tone. If there is another lockout, he should absolutely be removed as commissioner. I understand he is representing the franchise owners but ultimately he represents the game, and sometimes his job means he needs to save a few idiot billionaires from themselves. A big part of his job is and should be diplomacy, which is where Bettman is the most lacking.

Don Cherry is definitely about 5 years from becoming intensely senile, but for the time being and for several decades now, he's been on point. The dude speaks the truth, no matter how it might come out of his mouth. I hope he's still on HNIC for years to come. Literally until the dude is spewing s*** that makes no sense and clawing at the camera guy, I hope he remains on HNIC. Also, I hope he keeps having different white bull terriers named Blue until the end of his existence. Basically I do see what he's saying and I think he was making more of an observance than ripping Kenny

We should start a thread about how Holland should sign a tough guy.

i dont know, the guys played well but got mugged in the 1st really. out shooting a team in their barn 40-18 and not getting anything from it is tuff on them. i think that they will win in chi town, but im not sure about using a guy like nyquist only 6+ mins in what is a checking role, his got alot more to his game than that. helm conner and mursak could be a very handy 4th line for us, speed aplenty.

It is funny how he gets ripped for that when he still has been leading the team in goals (and tied for second in points). What does that say about the rest of the team when the inconsistent Franzen continues to lead in that category despite his poor recent play?

Refs break one off in our ass early, and we cannot convert enough the rest of the game. Wings had a chance to go up one on s***cago tonight, and couldn't get it done. LAME, just like NHL refs.

Not a good moment for Howard to play like a mortal human. Got his mojo back on that last rush.

Well, yeah, if you consider that Brad Watson is one of the refs and Mike Hasenfratz is the other.

I'm staying on CBC - didn't have time to change over after intermission and Wings scored, so I'm sticking with it. They're giving mad props to Pavel. I have to say, if you are going to watch another team's broadcast, CBC is the way to go. They're obviously pulling for the Leafs, but they're not total homers about it. Too bad I couldn't hear what they had to say about the penalty shot.

Why the hell does the Situation Room still have small screens, for f***'s sake? Bring in some LARGE screens so you can actually see in high def!

http://freeredwings.tv/ works for me

Don't we have any people that know how to get things done.

I was just going to say, I doubt he used the 'N' word because if a ref heard that, it would be a much bigger deal. I was thinking along the lines of a monkey or something banana related as well which it turns out was the case. I'm not sure on what the league should do about this specific comment but I'm with esteef on this one. If you don't want the specific word to be said to you, then stop calling each other it especially in music that EVERYONE listens to.

it was hilarious. good for rupp.