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Until he goes to Columbus and we have to hear it 6 times a year.

Why don't you ask Rafalski what he was thinking in July of 2007?

Ask, and ye shall receive.

All with cap hits less than 10 million. Cap hit wise it won't go that high. End of story. Depending on how much he wants to win. And he is not the "premiere forward" in the league, he is just the top free agent. Kovalchuk's deal was obvious. Franzen's and Zetterberg's were not. Once again, none with a cap hit over 10 million. You are just making things up now. His cap hit will not be nearly as high. Suter will not accept a short-term contract, and a short term contract will likely be more expensive because there is less guaranteed money. They will receive between 7 and 8 million assuming they both are looking for contending clubs. Detroit will be one of those clubs.

Please explain to me Bertuzzi's "large" contract.

No where in your initial post did you say sign Suter first and foremost, then bring over this guy and I'll be ok with it. You went straight into spaz mode.

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120524/SPORTS0103/205240354/1128/rss16 It sounds like Parise and Suter really are a package deal. It sounds like Detroit really is one of the very few teams that interests them (has the cap space, a winning tradition, and both - more or less - grew up in Ann Arbor). It sounds like this might be something that actually ends up happening...and which could have been in the works for some time? Because me for being an addict, LINES! CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER My Custom Lineup FORWARDS Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m) Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) Justin Abdelkader ($1.300m) / Darren Helm ($1.400m) / Power Forward? ($2.000m) Power Forward? ($2.000m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Power Forward? ($2.000m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($5.000m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m) Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ian White ($2.875m) Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) Backup Goalie? ($1.000m) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,846,212; BONUSES: $37,500 CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $453,788 Explanation: If we're able to sign Parise and Suter, the top six is set (Parise replaces Bertuzzi on the first line, Nyquist replaces Hudler on the second line); and - assuming Lidstrom resigns - the defensive pairings are set (Suter replaces Stuart, Smith replaces Quincey). But the bottom six isn't yet in order. I like Helm as our third line center. He's one of the best defensive centers in the game. Let's resign him (an RFA) to about a 0.5mil raise. I like Emmerton as our fourth line center. He's sort of like a young Helm in many ways. Let's keep him there. And I like Abdelkader as a bottom six winger. He's big, strong, and great defensively (though he could be more physical). Let's resign him (an RFA) to about a 0.5 mil raise. But now we've got some issues. I DO NOT like Cleary, Bertuzzi, Eaves, Miller or Mursak as bottom-six wingers. I want three new, big, strong, physical, defensively sound power forwards to go along with Abdelkader as our bottom-six wingers. If we move the aforementioned players, we'll have over 6mil to spend on these three power forwards. Should be well more than enough to get us what we want. It'll be harder to move some than others, but I do think that all of the aforementioned players are movable (worst case scenario, send them and their cap-hits through waivers en route to gr). THAT's how we catch up to the rest of the league.

These All-Star lines won't work very well. Bert-Pavel-Parise Johan-Zetts-Filppula Cleary-Helm-Miller Homer-Abdel-Nyquist Lidstrom-White Kronwall-Suter Ericsson-Quincey Howard MacDonald This team wins the cup.

Good read, but just another one of those juicy on the surface types, with nothing really substantial within. I think that it is a very real possibility that both Parise and Suter come to Detroit, given the elite tier of our organization and our tradition, let alone the other factors. But there are so many other intangibles that its hard to say anything about it. Do we have enough cap space? Yes. Do we have what winners want? Yes. Do we have a team good enough to attract them? Yes. Would both players take a reduced salary to be on our team? Yes. I seriously don't think that '7 million a year' is a 'discounted price' given that Lidstrom was getting paid 7.5 million a few years ago. A discounted price for Parise would be around 6 million and Suter around the same. I think Holland would have to give up his "nobody gets paid more than Lidstrom" shenanigans fo Suter to come on, obviously, and Lidstrom should be paid only 5 million this upcoming year, should he return. I say give them 6 million a year for 5 years and then we have a legitimate shot at the cup for the next 5 years. Haha. Cheers

I'm bumping this thread for the lulz. First-round exit!

just for the hell of it... im making a team to play your "globetrotters" sorry to hijack your thread just seemed fun. i understand yours was merely on franchise players... but whatever you left off i used on my squad (whether you would start a team with them or not was not something i was worrying about.) iginla-datsyuk-st louis sedin-sedin-gaborik zberg-staal-kane benn-backstrom-b richards seguin chara-lidstrom boyle-yandle pietrangelo-myers pronger (if alive) rinne miller hossa, sharp, thornton, callahan, pavelski, mrichards, nug, hall, eberle, subban, kesler, hossa, eriksson, fleury, price all honorable indeed!

Lolz.

20 mil what? A year? And 7 million isn't such a discount. They are perhaps leaving a few million off the table to play together and for a team with a history of winning and a group of guys who know what it takes to win. You don't get that from many other clubs.

Lol what the f***? That's all I can say. What the f***? This is why votes should only count ONCE per round - Datsyuk has 11,000 facebook likes while Tavares has 2,500 during the contest. No way Tavares should have won.

I worry about this, too. He wanted to leave to go to a contender. Now the Devils are a contender. The Rangers, goons or not, need to take them out.

Here's hoping for the Rangers to win Game 6.

I am no longer getting my hopes up for either, that way when it doesn't happen, I will not blow a gasket...(too much)

If the Rangers get there as well... they could win a perfect cup (sort of). #1, #2, #3, and #1... technically speaking the 4 toughest teams you could draw.

Is Kindl officially the new Ericsson now? LGW defensive whipping boy? He was a rookie last year. He had about 8 points and was plus 6 or something like that. That's not all that bad for a seventh defenseman, can we please just wait a year or two before we feed him to the wolves? Remember how it took about five full seasons (and Babock saying how valuable he was) before everybody got off Ericsson's back. Kindl's got a long way to go for sure, but at least give the kid the opportunity to get better.

Now, now. It's a public forum. (S)he has as much right to express his/her opinion as someone with a brilliant hockey mind. It's the off-season. We need some discussion else we die of ennui. Not to mention that (s)he is good for my self-esteem.

Couldn't they have waited like 6 years for me to get my professional degree and certification? Dream: gone.

I think the perfect EA Sports cover should have Patrick Kane on it with 20 CENTS as its title. The pic can be Kane with those 2 girls getting wasted. This is a photoshop waiting to happen.

Way to show a complete lack of class. But you have to live with yourself, not me. To bad you can't engage your mind. Good to see the old commie trick of: "if you can't refute the message, attack the messager", is alive and well.

lol i'll give you my 30 and over team Zetterberg-Datsyuk-St. Louis Sedin-Sedin-Hossa Richards-Thornton-Iginla Marleau-Lecavalier-Jagr Selanne Lidstrom-Chara Timonen-Boyle Kronwall-Campbell Streit Thomas Miller