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I have to laugh at how bad everyone wanted this guy re-signed, and when he held out, everyone got on Holland to get it done, and now that he is a Devil, everyone is like, yeah, so, big deal, he's not that good anyway. If he's really not that good, then why did we want to re-sign him anyway?

I think Hank and Dats are great players, not on par with Feds skill wise. I think Hank and Dats are greater Red Wings than Feds, if that makes sense. I think none of them belong in the rafters at the Joe. Look at the last two names put up there, all world players and leaders, and two of the greatest Wings ever. People forget not only was Yzerman the heart and soul of this organization, he has over 1700 points. This is not Colorado or Buffalo, simpy being a great player and leader does not get you in the rafters, you need to be one of the best Wings of all time. Unfortunately for Hank and Dats, they are in that class one step below that! IMO

Win

Pav signing this extension should have wiped away any doubt, his number will be retired. Hank is well on his way but needs atleast a couple more good years and some more playoff success imo.

Same here. That said, I think we should call that a franchise defenseman and redefine what a normal #1 is.

To me, there's more elite centers or goalies in the league than there are defensemen. Technically, every team has a number one defenseman in terms of his standing on the team, but very few of them are elite. So Kronwall is our number one, but he's not an elite defenseman.

Don't know if anyone will get this. But I was listening to the backhand shelf podcast the other day and they had a pretty cool nick name for him. Home Star Brunner

Wings vs East 2011-2012: 10-7-1 2010-2011: 12-4-2 2009-2010: 9-6-3 2008-2009: 12-5-1 If this means anything then i have no worries about the eastern conference

When I think of a true #1 defensemen I think of a franchise defensemen. I'm talking Pronger, Lidstrom, Chelios, Niedermayer caliber. Kronner is good but he is not on that level.

Trogdor approves of the Home Star Brunner nickname. Does that mean he'd burninate the goalie when he scores?

Kronwall is a #1 d. He is not top 10 in the NHL though. We just got spoiled by having at least one guy seriously considered for the Norris every year since Folgers was here. Coffey, Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Murphy, and Chelios were all fantastic players and Kronwall just isn't in that class. That doesn't mean he's bad it just means he's not Hall of Fame material. And yes, I know Vlad won't get there, but if Gnida had waited until later to get baked, he would have gotten there.

By the definition that some have here of what constitutes a #1 defenseman, there are substantially less #1 defensemen than there are teams in the NHL.

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Tough to say. In the playoffs, his offensive game disappeared completely. In the regular season, he was very good offensively, but a train wreck in his own zone too many times. He will play as a number one because we won't get anyone better. But realistically, he's a guy that should be your second best defenseman.

After today's scrimmage they interviewed Babcock and he said he liked what he saw, but that "other than Mantha, most the players had moments where they looked like prospects." Implying that Mantha never looked like a prospect out there. Really good to hear cause he will only improve. Maybe the kid wasn't so far off when he said he wants to make this team this year or next year.

Dear Damien, Enjoy being a footnote in Red Wings history.

Seriously.

I can't argue that Yak is sick but captain next season? Come on Axe. Be serious for once please...

Sounds like the nephtuzzi has some sandpaper to him. Love it! Hopefully he's also got some hockey skills to back it up--would love to see him annoying the s*** out of the other teams in a few years. Edit: and hopefully he'll be the only Bertuzzi on the team at that time.

Kronwall is getting old, tho.

esteef

Mickey and Minnie Mouse were getting a divorce. The judge asked Mickey, "Do I understand you correctly? You're divorcing Minnie because she's insane?" Mickey replied, "No, Your Honour, I said I'm divorcing her because she's f*cking Goofy."

An elderly husband and wife visit their doctor when they begin forgetting little things. Their doctor tells them that many people find it useful to write themselves little notes. When they get home, the wife says, "Dear, will you please go to the kitchen and get me a dish of ice cream? And maybe write that down so you won't forget?" "Nonsense," says the husband, "I can remember a dish of ice cream." "Well," says the wife, "I'd also like some strawberries and whipped cream on it." "My memory's not all that bad," says the husband. "No problem -- a dish of ice cream with strawberries and whipped cream. I don't need to write it down. " He goes into the kitchen; his wife hears pots and pans banging around. The husband finally emerges from the kitchen and presents his wife with a plate of bacon and eggs. She looks at the plate and asks, "Hey, where's the toast I asked for?"

I know a guy who is addicted to brake fluid. he says he can stop anytime.