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There’s good veterans and there’s veterans that aren’t really all that good. I consider Zetterberg a tier 1 veteran. Kronwall a tier 2 veteran. Everyone else is tier 3 or below. Nielsen, Daley, Green. None of them have been significant on any team, none of them are known for any leadership skills whatsoever. Nor does anyone bring anything unique to the table. And Helm lol cmon dude. They guy is a career 3rd/4th liner. Please don’t mentor anyone Helm. Especially not with your hands. This is like saying Mathew Dandenault, Boyd Deverareoux, Aaron Ward, Lapointe would have all been good veterans and mentors lol. Kronwall was one of the best open ice hitters and at times still is 1-2 time a year, great leader, was great offensively and defensively in his prime, and amazing work ethic even today. Don’t need to say anything about Zetterberg. Putting veterans all at the same level doesn’t make sense. And just because they are veterans doesn’t mean you have to keep them on the team. Keep the right ones on there. Move on from the others.

The only thing Trouba truly wants is to leave Winnipeg and go home to play for his childhood team, the Detroit Red Wings... obviously.

No evidence at all your honor. I withdraw my post until further evidence is aquired.

Yup. It's really all that can be said. I really don't see one single guy back there that I just have to keep. We could trade 'em all out and bring in six new guys and I don't think I'd look twice.

Just watched this. It's Bobby Mac's final draft ranking. This aired a week before the draft. It's no wonder they say Detroit won the draft, Zadina was ranked #4, Valeno #14 and McIssac #26. That's three 1st rounders there folks! It remains to be seen how they (and Berggren) shake out, but I really have to give Holland an A+ here.

I'm thinking there's a decent-to-good chance he gets moved this season, tbh.

I agree. We don't need as many veterans as we have. But a team coming off a long playoff streak is going to have a lot of them. When we look ahead to the next 1-3 years, we see a lot of them coming off the books as the kids that were drafted are becoming NHL ready. We're seeing exactly what a rebuild looks like. This team has been so good for so long, anyone under the age of 35 wouldn't know. Trading away a guy here or there (Sheahan, Tatar) to acquire picks and make room is fine, but when we're talking about dumping every player over the age of 30, or trading away 5 or 6 guys in one or two seasons...well that's just silly.

Because he is arguably the best overall D on the team, on a team with crappy D. Assuming there are 1 maybe 2 rookies on the blue line this season, why put them in a worse situation? Plus Daley is a solid 2 way dman on a good contract with a Stanley Cup pedigree. Exactly the kind of guy I want playing with the kids.

"Wine no longer makes my heart glad; a little of it makes me sad, much makes me melancholy. My soul is faint and impotent; in vain I prick the spur of pleasure into its flank, its strength is gone, it rises no more to the royal leap. I have lost my illusions. Vainly I seek to plunge myself into the boundless sea of joy; it cannot sustain me, or rather, I cannot sustain myself. Once pleasure had but to beckon me, and I mounted, light of foot, sound, and unafraid. When I rode slowly through the woods, it was as if I flew; now when the horse is covered with lather and ready to drop, it seems to me that I do not move. I am solitary as always; forsaken, not by men, which could not hurt me, but by the happy fairies of joy, who used to encircle me in countless multitudes, who met acquaintances everywhere, everywhere showed me an opportunity for pleasure. As an intoxicated man gathers a wild crowd of youths about him, so they flocked about me, the fairies of joy, and I greeted them with a smile. My soul has lost its potentiality. If I were to wish for anything, I should not wish for wealth and power, but for the passionate sense of the potential, for the eye which, ever young and ardent, sees the possible. Pleasure disappoints, possibility never. And what wine is so sparkling, what so fragrant, what so intoxicating, as possibility!" - Kierkegaard (as "A"), Either/Or tl;dr Kids = Possibility, hope, allure of the unknown. Veterans = Zzzzz. You do need veterans. But do you need so many veterans? I think that's the point of contention for a lot of people. There's a difference between "some veteran leaders" and "4,000 veterans, mediocrity as far as the eye can see, oldest team in the league." Abdelkader, Daley, DeKeyser, Ericsson, Helm, Glendening, Green, Jensen, Kronwall, Nielsen, Nyquist, Vanek, Zetterberg. So much old. Soooo much old. But, I mean, it is what it is. The mandate was "Keep The Streak Alive," our prospect pool has been unremarkable for a long time, and so we leaned on veterans. And now we're slowly getting younger, because The Streak is dead and buried and the overall quality of our prospect pool is improving. So it's all good.

YOU'RE A LOOSE CANNON, DEKEYSER BADGE AND GUN, NOW

PC or system

Gerard Gallant taking the rejects of 30 NHL teams to the Stanley Cup Final put everything into perspective

Willy Nylander not yet signed. Not sure what the Leafs have in cap space, but IMHO signing Marleau was not a good idea.

He wants my D. In the D.

ow, my heart

I hate our blue line so much.