hillbillywingsfan 792 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) No. Im one of those fans that means "good" when I say good. I say "great" when I mean great, "Norris caliber" when I mean Norris caliber, and "the 2nd coming of Lidstrom when I mean the 2nd coming of Lidstrom. I dont need to defend Quincey. His TOI, salary, and coach's confidence are enough to stand on their own without needing defence. Players in the PRESS BOX making 2 mil per as healthy scratches need to be defended. Why you choose that battle is beyond me. We have plenty of likeable players. Why you choose to defend Quincy making WAY more than he should be is beyond me. http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/topic/73755-biggest-mistake-red-wings-have-done/ even you agreed it was a mistake to bring him back I even think I found my answer why it is you are defending him "This is how I feel. If the old guys dont put up the stats, then they should sit. But Babcock cant just sit a guy Holland is paying 2 mil a year to play." Edited July 25, 2013 by hillbillywingsfan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Crymson Report post Posted July 25, 2013 Why you choose to defend Quincy making WAY more than he should be is beyond me. I'm surprised you haven't caught on yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Greek 323 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 I don't think I've seen brunner's name within the last 20 posts. 1 55fan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 25, 2013 Why you choose to defend Quincy making WAY more than he should be is beyond me. http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/topic/73755-biggest-mistake-red-wings-have-done/ even you agreed it was a mistake to bring him back I even think I found my answer why it is you are defending him "This is how I feel. If the old guys dont put up the stats, then they should sit. But Babcock cant just sit a guy Holland is paying 2 mil a year to play." He makes 3.75 mil per. Ericsson will make more next year too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ben_usmc 253 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 Soooo any actual updates on Brunner? 3 Wingsfan72, T.Low and Namingway reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T.Low 1,011 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 Anyone seen the Brunner Contract thread? Coulda sworn I was in it a minute ago... 3 FireCaptain, Spongewingredpants and Namingway reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 Brunner isn't signing here. Happy? Q is overpaid but other guys are worse. The Canucks got Ballard and he was promptly a $4.2 mil or so healthy scratch for 2 seasons. Others are almost as bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) @RedWingsFeed: TMR: Talking Brunner And Cleary: Anshar Khan of Mlive answered some questions... http://t.co/gPSacypypP via @KuklasKorner #NHL #RedWings Edit: also, @dchesnokov: Hiller, Josi, Sbisa, Streit, Weber, Brunner among the 48 called up to the camp of the Swiss Olympic Team. http://t.co/QjhflKg81r #Sochi2014 Edited July 25, 2013 by BottleOfSmoke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheDetroitRedWings 286 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 I wanted Brunner back as much as the next guy, but at this point it really is time for us Wings fans to move on. First of all he's asking for too much money and looks as though he's sticking to his guns. And on top of that our complete logjam at forward makes it nearly impossible to sign anyone, let alone someone asking for a million more than they're worth. And with so many young talented forwards in our system, it becomes a no brainer to let Damien walk. We should all just focus on the positive that we no longer have to deal with worthless Dan Cleary taking up a top-6 roster spot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 Khan's take on the Brunner situation: A. It's highly doubtful that Brunner will return. He was seeking a multiyear deal worth around $3.5 million a season. The Red Wings offered two years at $2.5 million per season. They were hesitant to offer more to a player with no track record in the NHL (just 44 games).I doubt that Brunner would significantly lower his asking price to return to Detroit. Plus, he's looking for a top-six role to maximize his offensive ability, and the Red Wings are set with their top six. http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2013/07/red_wings_questions_readers_wo.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+detroit-redwings+(Detroit+Red+Wings+-+MLive.com) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 The thing that makes Brunner so expendable is that he's so one dimensional. He's small and isn't strong defensively. They already have Tatar and Nyquist like that, although both should improve their back checking with experience. If Cleary is brought back, and right now it's looking pretty unlikely unless they get a ton of injuries, it will be as a bottom 6 role and will be more for his off ice influence than anything else. If I was Nill I'd offer a short term contract for good money so he could mentor Seguin. Cleary was there before, the high draft pick who would rather party than work. He could be a good influence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 I like Brunner, but Tatar will be a fine replacement and make everyone forget about LeBrun. 2 sjr2012 and hillbillywingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 I like Brunner, but Tatar will be a fine replacement and make everyone forget about LeBrun. Tatar brings a lot more grit & determination but I just keep having a sinking feeling that either he or Nyquist end up getting packaged up in a trade to get back to the roster limit by the end of camp. A 'we had to include one (Tatar/Nyquist) in order to move the other (Eaves or Tootoo maybe)' type of scenario. Really don't want that to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Datsyukian-Deke 722 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 Tatar brings a lot more grit & determination but I just keep having a sinking feeling that either he or Nyquist end up getting packaged up in a trade to get back to the roster limit by the end of camp. A 'we had to include one (Tatar/Nyquist) in order to move the other (Eaves or Tootoo maybe)' type of scenario. Really don't want that to happen. Tatar and Nyquist aren't going anywhere unless we get some damn good players back in return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,480 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 Tatar brings a lot more grit & determination but I just keep having a sinking feeling that either he or Nyquist end up getting packaged up in a trade to get back to the roster limit by the end of camp. A 'we had to include one (Tatar/Nyquist) in order to move the other (Eaves or Tootoo maybe)' type of scenario. Really don't want that to happen. It would most likely be Tatar. For whatever reason he seemed to fall out of favor with babs and Holland last season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dropkickshanahans 463 Report post Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) Tatar brings a lot more grit & determination but I just keep having a sinking feeling that either he or Nyquist end up getting packaged up in a trade to get back to the roster limit by the end of camp. A 'we had to include one (Tatar/Nyquist) in order to move the other (Eaves or Tootoo maybe)' type of scenario. Really don't want that to happen. I hope not either. Hopefully Kenny can do something else that doesn't involve losing either kid. Edited July 25, 2013 by dropkickshanahans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rrasco 1,312 Report post Posted July 26, 2013 It would most likely be Tatar. For whatever reason he seemed to fall out of favor with babs and Holland last season I honestly think they decided last year was a transition year and to try them out which is exactly what they did. Unexpectedly made the playoffs and put up a decent run but left Tatar down because he was there when the Griffins went on their run. Not to mention he was the MVP and potted 16 goals. 1 hillbillywingsfan reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 26, 2013 It would most likely be Tatar. For whatever reason he seemed to fall out of favor with babs and Holland last season It was his attitude, I bet. When he got to the Wings and scored his first goal, he acted like Yakupov. Im sure they would have preferred that he acted like Datsyuk instead. The Barry Sanders way of scoring always sits well with everyone. 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hockeymom1960 5,107 Report post Posted July 26, 2013 It was his attitude, I bet. When he got to the Wings and scored his first goal, he acted like Yakupov. Im sure they would have preferred that he acted like Datsyuk instead. The Barry Sanders way of scoring always sits well with everyone. Oh c'mon Axe, lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BottleOfSmoke 5,965 Report post Posted July 26, 2013 While I don't agree with Axe's example (or Axe in general, sorry bud ) I am going to state an unpopular opinion: I don't like Tatar. Don't know why. Can't put my finger on it. He seems kind of...douchey. And I have nothing to back that up. But given the choice between Goose and Tatar, I'll choose Goose every time. So while a lot of you here see Tatar as a serviceable replacement for Brunner--even an upgrade--I just can't bring myself to agree even though logically I know you may be right. Just a feeling I can't shake, but I'd rather have Brunner. *shrug* 1 Rick D reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DickieDunn 2,571 Report post Posted July 26, 2013 Don't forget Tatar is younger too. He turned pro at 18. I think both will eventually be better than Brunner, in different ways. Tatar has a little more sandpaper in him. Nyquist is smoother. Tatar reminds me of Hudler, only bigger and a better skater. Nyquist is more like Zetterberg lite. Just please remember that they will be rookies and don't wrote them off when they make rookie mistakes and score 10-15 goals and 30-35 points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DeGraa55 Report post Posted July 26, 2013 I like Brunner and wanted him over Alfie. But like some are saying a third with Nyquist and Tatar is better than Nyquist and Brunner. And Tatar and Nyquist should amount to being better players. But I still want Brunner back. We lack a pure goal scorer like him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Axe Report post Posted July 26, 2013 While I don't agree with Axe's example (or Axe in general, sorry bud ) I am going to state an unpopular opinion: I don't like Tatar. Don't know why. Can't put my finger on it. He seems kind of...douchey. And I have nothing to back that up. But given the choice between Goose and Tatar, I'll choose Goose every time. So while a lot of you here see Tatar as a serviceable replacement for Brunner--even an upgrade--I just can't bring myself to agree even though logically I know you may be right. Just a feeling I can't shake, but I'd rather have Brunner. *shrug* I love America and LGW because we can disagree with each other and debate. Life is grand!! Brunner is FINISHED with the Wings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogreslayer 1,069 Report post Posted July 26, 2013 While I don't agree with Axe's example (or Axe in general, sorry bud ) I am going to state an unpopular opinion: I don't like Tatar. Don't know why. Can't put my finger on it. He seems kind of...douchey. And I have nothing to back that up. But given the choice between Goose and Tatar, I'll choose Goose every time. So while a lot of you here see Tatar as a serviceable replacement for Brunner--even an upgrade--I just can't bring myself to agree even though logically I know you may be right. Just a feeling I can't shake, but I'd rather have Brunner. *shrug* I can totally see where you're coming from on that. He does come across as a little too full of himself at times & I can see how that could get under one's skin. Maybe the Wings need more of that feisty little pest who will get under the other team's skin though. That's certainly a dimension he brings to the table over someone like Brunner & at about a quarter of the cost it would reportedly take to bring Brunner back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nev 1,085 Report post Posted July 26, 2013 I don't care if Tatar is a ****** or arrogant or full of himself. The only thing that matters - the ONLY thing - is that he performs on the ice. Everything else is secondary. 2 DickieDunn and Dave reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites