Roster Moves by the Wings

[robb himself 143]

Franzen placed on long term IR for post concussion symptoms.

Guy needs to retire, this is getting dangerous.

edit: apparently they are listing him as short term IR now. Still needs to seriously consider retirement.

Edited October 15, 2015 by robb himself

[Euro_Twins 4,485]

Glass is a supercooled liquid, smartass. Read a book.

[Jacksoni 418]

Franzen placed on long term IR for post concussion symptoms.

Guy needs to retire, this is getting dangerous.

edit: apparently they are listing him as short term IR now. Still needs to seriously consider retirement.

Something tells me Kenny Holland is gonna force Franzen to stay put on LTIR list or retire. Something having to do with the forward logjam comes to mind.

[91forever 8]

Just speculating here, but I think this is the roster they're going with:

Abdelkader-Zetterberg-Nyquist

Jurco-Richards-Tatar

Pulkkinen-Sheahan-Franzen

Miller-Glendening-Ferraro

Andersson, Cleary

Datsyuk (IR)

Helm (IR)

Kronwall-Ericsson

Quincey-Green

Smith-Marchenko/Jensen

Kindl

DeKeyser (IR)

Howard

Mrazek

They waived Miele and Callahan up front. The rest of the forwards (the prospects) outside of the ones I listed are waiver-exempt. I think if Larkin was on the team, they would have waived Cleary today.

On the blueline, I think one of the kids is going to make it since they waived Lashoff. I doubt they'll keep Marchenko or Jensen as the 7th defender, so I'm guessing they'll get in some games.

I don't know about this choice I think removing Larkin from the line is a bad move. I think he is warming up and deserves to stay on the line he is heating up the ice and is always there giving 110%. I think it was a bad choice to keep Cleary another year contract renewed, and with all due respect I will say he has been a great help over the years. I just don't see him being key to any success going forward for this team. We have a lot of young guys in their early 20's to mid 20's that are going to be key for the teams success. Cleary/Andersson would be a scratch for me. Keep Larkin where he is unless he isn't living up to the game over the next few months.

[LeftWinger 5,130]

In Jesusberg's defense, his post was on Oct. 4th, before Larkin took the NHL by storm, before Cleary was waived, before Franzen re-symptonized and before everyone in the NHL realized that The Red Wings just will not disappear! If he did a roster today, guarantee Larkin would be on it and Jurco or Ferraro would be sitting. Outside of a few people who had hoped Larkin got a spot, I don't think many predicted that he would grab that spot and bump (healthy)veteran's out of the lineup on a nightly basis.

Edited October 15, 2015 by LeftWinger

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Can't take Larkin out. He's too dynamic.

[roboturner 562]

Glass is a supercooled liquid, smartass. Read a book.

I always heard that too, but recently I heard that it wasn't true (and I think it was from someone reputable like Neil deGrasse Tyson or someone like that who would know)

Edited October 15, 2015 by roboturner

[Jesusberg 1,256]

I don't know about this choice I think removing Larkin from the line is a bad move. I think he is warming up and deserves to stay on the line he is heating up the ice and is always there giving 110%. I think it was a bad choice to keep Cleary another year contract renewed, and with all due respect I will say he has been a great help over the years. I just don't see him being key to any success going forward for this team. We have a lot of young guys in their early 20's to mid 20's that are going to be key for the teams success. Cleary/Andersson would be a scratch for me. Keep Larkin where he is unless he isn't living up to the game over the next few months.

Like LeftWinger said, the post was made on October 4th. In my proposed lineup, Andersson and Cleary were scratches, but only because they hadn't waived Cleary at that point. It seemed as if they were leaning toward sending Larkin to Grand Rapids (in my opinion, anyway). With Franzen out again, I have no issue keeping Larkin with the team - he's certainly shown he can contribute. I still believe they have a few decisions to make when Helm and Datsyuk return, though.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

I always heard that too, but recently I heard that it wasn't true (and I think it was from someone reputable like Neil deGrasse Tyson or someone like that who would know)

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-fiction-glass-liquid/

Yeah, it's an amorphous solid: between solid and liquid.

[Buppy 1,720]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-fiction-glass-liquid/

Yeah, it's an amorphous solid: between solid and liquid.

Scientists with their words and anti-liquid agendas.

[Bill Berzeench 310]

We should see a roster move soon.

[kliq 3,763]

We should see a roster move soon.

Is Helm due back soon? If yes, I assume he just gets put into that roster spot.

Edited October 16, 2015 by kliq

[jimmyemeryhunter 2,747]

Glass is a supercooled liquid, smartass. Read a book.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=glass+is+not+a+supercooled+liquid

Either way, I was just playing off what you said, not debating the validity of your statement scientifically.

Edit: I was beaten to the response.

Edited October 16, 2015 by jimmyemeryhunter

[roboturner 562]

Alright so I guess what I heard was a debunking of the 'glass is a liquid' which it is not.

Anyway, Roster Moves eh? Whatever moves have to be made when it happens, if any, it's nice knowing we've got Dats in the bullpen to add to this group that is already playing pretty well

[kipwinger 8,755]

Well then Chara is slower than an amorphous solid. Suck a butt dumbs***s!

[Jacksoni 418]

Can't take Larkin out. He's too dynamic.

Hear hear. He ain't going nowhere until the premises change.

[LeftWinger 5,130]

So Marchenko was assigned to GR today per Detroitredwings.com. Guess DD is about ready to come back.

[krsmith17 7,191]

DeKeyser should be in the lineup in Montreal tomorrow night.

[nyqvististhefuture 1,002]

I seen some of the griffins game and ouellet looked really good , had some nice rushes to the net , looked fast

Kindl didn't look to good tonight (then again so did a lot of the guys) ... I'd really like to see us bring up ouellet and get rid of kindl and possibly smith(just can't see him here longterm) and maybe bring in a marchenko/Jensen as well

Think we'd be a better team ... I know it's easier said than done but At first thought I'd see kindl/smith going to l.a since the d has been so slow and can't get the puck to the forwards

[Andy Pred 48 337]

5 games in and the glaring need in my view is an upgrade on the D. We need it but I feel that the current D corps are going to be given a fair crack before any call up or trade is made. Green is still feeling his way into his new team/role and I hope I'm wrong in this but Kronner is on the decline too. Big E has been punching over his weight since being in the show, last pick overall to top pairing on the Wings is no mean fete but it does stand out at times. We then have 2 1st round picks that have played over 200 games but neither seem to have taken that next step up in their careers. When we have Q as the top D performer no disrespect to him but you know things ain't what they should be. DD is going to be a top player for the Wings for years to come, we need to make sure he has at least one genuine no1/2 guy that will be with him.

I've said before that ill be happy if our 3rd pairing is Quincey and Ericsson, then I know well have a top 4 that are exactly that, top 4 D men.

[Bill Berzeench 310]

5 games in and the glaring need in my view is an upgrade on the D. We need it but I feel that the current D corps are going to be given a fair crack before any call up or trade is made. Green is still feeling his way into his new team/role and I hope I'm wrong in this but Kronner is on the decline too. Big E has been punching over his weight since being in the show, last pick overall to top pairing on the Wings is no mean fete but it does stand out at times. We then have 2 1st round picks that have played over 200 games but neither seem to have taken that next step up in their careers. When we have Q as the top D performer no disrespect to him but you know things ain't what they should be. DD is going to be a top player for the Wings for years to come, we need to make sure he has at least one genuine no1/2 guy that will be with him.

I've said before that ill be happy if our 3rd pairing is Quincey and Ericsson, then I know well have a top 4 that are exactly that, top 4 D men.

Sorry, but our GM has failed.

Suter and Parise could have been had for 10 mil a season. Strike 1.

Yandle could have been had for Mantha, Ouellet, and a first. Strike 2.

Phaneuf could have been had for Weiss and Smith. Strike 3.

Dougie Hamilton could have been had for Mantha, a first, and a second. Strike 4.

We cant keep praying Holland is going to do something. We need to accept we have a good 1B in DeKeyser, a good 2B in Kronwall, a good 3A in Green, and a good 3B in Quincey. We are missing the 1A and 2A spots. You need shutdown guys here that MANHANDLE the other team's pests. Ericsson, Smith, and Kindl have not developed into what the Wings need them to be. Ericsson was a 7th rounder, so I cant blame the guy for not being Chris Pronger. But Smith and Kindl have completely failed. The Wings have put a lot of time and effort into these 2, and the return on investment is almost nil. If Blash is just going to relegate them to 3rd pairing duty for the next 5 years, better to cut ties now. No sense trying to make 2 guys who want to be Brian Leetch play like Brian Lashoff.

[kickazz 5,459]

Sorry, but our GM has failed.

Suter and Parise could have been had for 10 mil a season. Strike 1.

Yandle could have been had for Mantha, Ouellet, and a first. Strike 2.

Phaneuf could have been had for Weiss and Smith. Strike 3.

Dougie Hamilton could have been had for Mantha, a first, and a second. Strike 4.

We cant keep praying Holland is going to do something. We need to accept we have a good 1B in DeKeyser, a good 2B in Kronwall, a good 3A in Green, and a good 3B in Quincey. We are missing the 1A and 2A spots. You need shutdown guys here that MANHANDLE the other team's pests. Ericsson, Smith, and Kindl have not developed into what the Wings need them to be. Ericsson was a 7th rounder, so I cant blame the guy for not being Chris Pronger. But Smith and Kindl have completely failed. The Wings have put a lot of time and effort into these 2, and the return on investment is almost nil. If Blash is just going to relegate them to 3rd pairing duty for the next 5 years, better to cut ties now. No sense trying to make 2 guys who want to be Brian Leetch play like Brian Lashoff.

Nice flip flop. A few days ago you called people out for targetting Brendan Smith and here you are calling him a failure.

http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/topic/80454-1013-gdt-lightning-1-at-red-wings-3/page-18

Post #321 and #348

And then a week ago you wanted most of our prospects in the line up rather than older players. Now you're talking about Holland failing to dump prospects for older players.

Edited October 18, 2015 by kickazz

[Mckinley25 679]

Sorry, but our GM has failed.

Suter and Parise could have been had for 10 mil a season. Strike 1.

Yandle could have been had for Mantha, Ouellet, and a first. Strike 2.

Phaneuf could have been had for Weiss and Smith. Strike 3.

Dougie Hamilton could have been had for Mantha, a first, and a second. Strike 4.

Do you have a source on these?

Edited October 18, 2015 by Mckinley25

[Bill Berzeench 310]

Nice flip flop. A few days ago you called people out for targetting Brendan Smith and here you are calling him a failure.

A week ago you wanted most of our prospects in the line up rather than older players. Now you're talking about Holland failing to dump prospects for older players.

I called someone out for putting ALL the blame on Smith. He's not the only reason we lost against Carolina, but he was on the ice for 4 of the goals against, and was a contributing factor in all of them going in. I am probably Smith's biggest fan, but I'm tired of waiting for him now. He's not progressing into what the Wings need him to be.

And as far as the prospects go, I never said we couldn't trade them. I'm all for trading them if we aren't going to play them.

[WingsAlways 486]

I'd be willing to bet Babcock phoned Phaneuf personally and told him to stay put, it's funny how the deal was all of the sudden never spoken of again. Toronto did not want Weiss, Bab's could have had a role to play in that too.

As far as Suter and Parise, Suter is NOT a 10m defenseman and paying Parise that kind of money does nothing to help our defense and only hurts us resigning players. I don't think it's a bum move on Holland's part at all.