kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) Green for 2-3 years at $4.5 million max with a modified-NTC is what I would do. Edited February 26, 2018 by kickazz 5 gcom007, kliq, LeftWinger and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted February 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Son of a Wing said: It still doesn't explain why Green couldn't have been traded for a conditional pick. That's the whole point of conditional picks. Exactly. This is way too fishy. I think Kenny went soft. We’ve seen it many times before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, gcom007 said: Exactly. This is way too fishy. I think Kenny went soft. We’ve seen it many times before. Maybe he needs Viagra? Edited February 26, 2018 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted February 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, kickazz said: Maybe he needs Viagra? Viagra is for closers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Datsyukian Deke 127 Report post Posted February 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, kickazz said: Maybe he needs Viagra? No, he likes his team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453 Report post Posted February 26, 2018 If we resign him I'll be happy. Can't hate on a guy who actually wants to stay with the team. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted February 26, 2018 (edited) Sorry, deleting my attachments, I have run out of room! Edited March 14, 2018 by LeftWinger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935 Report post Posted February 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, Wheelchairsuperhero said: If we resign him I'll be happy. Can't hate on a guy who actually wants to stay with the team. Also, that he (allegedly) didn't want to play for Toronto makes me like him even more. That kind of Leaf hatred could mean he's a true Wing! 2 2 Wheelchairsuperhero, 13dangledangle, krsmith17 and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted February 26, 2018 id take mcdonaugh over green injured any day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chaps80 1,591 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 No Green trade. That’s very dissapointing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 Maybe we’ll see a few games from Svechnikov soon? Maybe Rass will get a small look next year? Sooner rather than later, I’m sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominator2005 558 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 I like Rangers moves, rebuilt on the fly: - Ryan Spooner- Vladislav Namestnikov- Libor Hajek- Brett Howden- 2x 1st round picks in 2018 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toby91_ca 620 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 This is the only logical reason why Green wasn't traded: offers were low....which logically is fine because it's better than nothing, but they weren't going to be accepted simply for Holland to save face. There is "zero" other rationale for not moving him. Even if they let him go for nothing, it's almost a plus because it probably improves their draft standing this year. The logic above in terms of not trading unless they got something in return that can help their team now doesn't make sense....they should be looking at the future, not the now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_SP_ 129 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 IDK... 32-years-old? I don't see a re-signing happening. From the Red Wings' perspective, he's "old" for the movement we are going with. From his perspective, he probably has three (ish?) more years as a top-2 defenseman, does he want to spend them with a team that's not competing for the Cup? Given the questions about his medical, taking the best offer at 1:30pm would have been best, I think. And if it's medical, do what they did with Mrazek: conditional picks.5 reg games = 310 reg games = 215 reg games = 16 playoff games = 1+210 playoff games = 1+1Just don't get it. SOMETHING is better than nothing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 Too funny! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, LeftWinger said: Too funny! I thought you were just a Wings fan, I didnt realize you liked the Senators to. Edited February 27, 2018 by kliq 2 ChristopherReevesLegs and LeftWinger reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 lol well i agree its so stupid to trade EK. unless he wants out to go to a better team that has a shot at the cup and doesnt feel like his GM is capable of putting together a team that can make a run again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Neomaxizoomdweebie 3,083 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2018/02/red_wings_mike_greens_injury_p.html Some excerpts: "Green suffered a neck injury on a hit from Tampa Bay's Adam Erne on Feb. 15. He hasn't played since, and it affected his trade value. That's why Green remains a Red Wing past Monday's deadline, general manager Ken Holland said." "He was open to being traded. He would have loved to have the opportunity to go to a team that had a real chance to win the Stanley Cup," Holland said. "Two teams wanted to know specifically what was going on with his injury and that had a real bearing on their decision. I think between the defensemen possibly available and the uncertainly of the injury, it all impacted it." "Green, 32, agreed to waive his no-trade clause to go to Tampa Bay or Washington. Holland said Green did not exercise the clause to block a deal with any team." https://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2018/2/26/17055216/green-still-wears-red-how-much-of-a-market-was-there From Wiim: "The last obstacle working towards a Green trade today was the holdup over Erik Karlsson and Ryan McDonagh. A team wanting to really bolster their blue line would have these two in their sights, and would view Green as a Option C. With Tampa trading for McDonagh very late in the process and other teams spending much of deadline day negotiating with Ottawa based on reports, I think that really hurt the ability to trade Green." "My guess, and we’ll see as more information comes out, is that there just wasn’t much of a market today for Mike Green." http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/22588311/nhl-trade-deadline-winners-losers-include-rangers-capitals-flyers-rick-nash-evander-kane Winner: Ken Holland The GM should have been selling low on Tatar. The winger's production is down significantly in points per 60 minutes at 5-on-5 from last season to this season (1.85 to 1.01) with essentially the same ice time. His deal ($5.3 million, three more years) is too much for most teams to take on. Not only did Holland find a willing partner in the Golden Knights, but Holland made out like a bandit with a first-rounder, a second-rounder and a third-rounder. Yes, the first-round pick in 2018 will be low considering the Golden Knights' record this season, but we were impressed he mustered this much. Loser: Ken Holland The Detroit Red Wings had one of the few decent defensemen available in Mike Green. Several teams (Boston, Tampa Bay, Toronto and Washington, to name a few) were in a strong need of defensemen at the deadline. And somehow, Holland couldn't find a taker. Now Green will likely walk away in free agency, and Detroit -- in the process of a long rebuild -- will recoup nothing. Part of this is circumstance; Green hasn't played since he suffered a neck injury on Feb. 15 against Tampa Bay. Even still, it's an unfortunate turn for a team that is straddled by big contracts and needs to be collecting assets. Edited February 27, 2018 by Neomaxizoomdweebie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said: The problem is that our stupid gm doesnt work more than 3 days a year. Holland shpuld have traded Green to Tampa 2 months ago. For whatever he could get. Had we traded him 2 months ago, the offer would have likely been a 2nd rounder. Why would TB give up a 1st round pick for their 3rd choice two months before they need to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MileHighWingsGuy 178 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 I hope we can sign Green on the cheap for 2-3 years and continue getting rid of bad contracts. Tatar should have never been signed this last year, glad we moved him and that contract before the NTC clause kicked in. We need to lock AA, Mantha and Larkin up to good deals long term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kliq 3,755 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, MileHighWingsGuy said: I hope we can sign Green on the cheap for 2-3 years and continue getting rid of bad contracts. Tatar should have never been signed this last year, glad we moved him and that contract before the NTC clause kicked in. We need to lock AA, Mantha and Larkin up to good deals long term. Are you saying we should have not qualified him? Or signed him to a 1 year deal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wing Across The Pond 196 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 I always feel a little "wft?" at these sort of NTC/NMC things. Basically Green said he'd go to a favourite team or a team who's pretty much odds-on to win the cup. There's really no room to work there, considering he wasn't Tampa's first choice is seems. Which leaves Washington who had no space. I read a few bits about players saying they'd waive their clauses to go to Tampa... well no **** of course you would, but the best team in the league is only really going to look at 2 guys across the whole league most likely, that they have any chance to get at a worthwhile price. Think there was way too many conditions going against us to get anything done for Green. I didn't really expect us to make any moves, so the haul for Tatar was nice (but I'm sad seeing him go). Would like to see him re-sign unless there is a better option in FA - which there isn't (minus Carlson, who won't sign here). Guess it's Green or trade. 1 krsmith17 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 He just had to get injured right before the deadline. C'mon guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said: And that would have been fine. You would have cried that it was a 2nd rounder and we traded too early. Edited February 27, 2018 by kickazz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krsmith17 7,191 Report post Posted February 27, 2018 14 hours ago, kliq said: Or even just giving a modified NTC, I am fine with "submit a list of 10 teams you won't go to", nobody wants to end up in Arizona lol. The thing is modified NTC's are usually just as effective for the player as full NTC's, especially at the deadline. There are usually only a handful of teams that want to trade for these players this time of year. If Green only wanted to go to Tampa or Washington, he'd essentially be able to do that with a modified NTC (10 team no-go list). His list would include the top teams that would most likely be looking to trade for him, not the bottom feeders, because he knows damn well that teams like Arizona aren't selling off assets for a rental... 1 amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites