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#2523012 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 06 June 2014 - 11:52 AM


Eh, not necessarily. If it's Boyle for a couple years, maybe $7M each, that's not bad. Versus what you might have to pay for a top-four defenseman in his prime (free agent or trade acquisition). Or, we could get, say, Stralman (who I like), but that doesn't give us the point production and power play prowess we need from our top four, which Boyle would, in theory, give us.


Don't get me wrong, I'm in favor of trading for a Keith Yandle, if we can. Just saying.


That's exactly my point.  Trading for a guy like Yandle makes us significantly better, no matter the price.  Signing a guy like Boyle makes us a little better (maybe) but not enough.  Given how far we are from being a competitive team, a little better isn't enough.  Let the kids get the experience if you're not going to be competitive either way.  And IF you want to be competitive, you've got to do something more substantial than Dan Boyle. 


When you've got an entire core of guys in their prime and playing well, getting a "little better" can be a big help.  For example, the additions of Oduya and Handzus for Chicago.  We don't have a core it their prime.  We've got kids who aren't ready yet, and old guys who can't get it done anymore.  We've got two options A) spend the assets it takes to get competitive again, whatever it takes (within reason), or B) wait three more years and hope a couple of your young guys turn out to be good enough to make up for the lose in quality you'll get as your stars decline.  And even then it's probably a wash. 

#2522793 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 04 June 2014 - 07:40 PM

Dear god I hope Alfie hangs them up.  I just thought about how pissed I'd be if Holland didn't spend any of that money in the offseason and then was immediately MORE pissed when I realized they will spend it...on a 42 year old who's fading fast.  Ugh.

#2522727 Adam Almquist says he’s considering returning to Sweden to avoid AHL

Posted by kipwinger on 04 June 2014 - 08:50 AM

kipwinger, I would by no means say that you are clueless, you definitely seem to be very knowledgeable, however you're hatred for Smith is laughable. I understand that he has made his fair share of defensive blunders, some even cost us games. But name a defenseman that hasn't done the same in his first year or two in the league? It happens to every young player and Smith is no exception. The fact that you refuse to see his improvements is quite humorous. He has steadily improved over the past two years, and I strongly believe he will be a top pairing defenseman in the near future. Only time will tell...


My "hatred for Smith" has less to do with his game and more to do with how his apologists seem incapable of even acknowledging simple facts which may suggest he's less the "future top pair" defenseman than he may seem.  Has he improved?  Sure.  He had a better than average half year on the top pair with Kronwall.  But lots of guys have had good half years (Kindl, Abdelkader) and nobody bangs the drum for their promotion into exceedingly important positions (top pair, top six).  If Abby or Kindl even sniff the top pair or top six people get pissed, but those same people are ready to anoint Smith based on a stretch of play which has certainly been atypical of his career thus far.


He's a offensive d-man who doesn't score much, a puck mover who turns the puck over at an exceptionally high rate, and a "tough guy" who doesn't hit.  I don't expect him to be Lidstrom...or even a cut rate Lidstrom.  But I do expect him to improve in those areas for a full season before I'm sold on his "improvement". 


And it's not like I'm unwilling.  I didn't like Ericsson at first either, thought he was a bum.  I was pissed about his previous contract.  But then, he strung together a strong campaign (or two or three) and I had to eat crow and sing a different tune.  When/If Smith does similar, I'll be glad to do the same thing.

#2522666 Adam Almquist says he’s considering returning to Sweden to avoid AHL

Posted by kipwinger on 03 June 2014 - 07:12 PM

Except corsi stats showed Smith DID EARN it and was out best 5 on 5 defenseman and kronwall played BETTER WITH SMIT THAN WITH BIG E.

But it's ok some clueless people can keep think he belongs in third line.


I'm clueless now?  Well at least you don't throw a fit and call people names when they don't agree with you.


And who could possibly argue with a stat that ranks David Booth above John Tavares and Mike Green above Ryan Suter.  Rock solid.

#2522561 Redwings great R/H D men.............?

Posted by kipwinger on 02 June 2014 - 07:20 PM


his cap his is 7.5 yes, his salary is 12, he has one of them there front loaded contracts. He is being overpayed, like so many complain Franzen is, and mention how his cap hit is too long and all that jazz. I am not here to debate Suter's contract though, I used it as reference, and you ignored all the other players I mentioned anyways. Niskanen will be vastly overpayed, it is almost guaranteed. id put $100 on it he will be getting at least $6 million for at least 5 years


It's the cap era, nobody gives a s*** about his actual salary.  It's Mike Illitch's money, not ours.  Cap hit is all that matters, not salary and you know that.  Again, you're just using that figure to try and win an argument.  As for the rest...


David Clarkson got a 2.6  million dollar raise.

Clowe, 1.2 million dollar raise. 

Bickell, 3.5 (coming off entry level contract)

Perry, 3.3 (elite player and Hart trophy winner)

Parise, 1.5 million dollar raise

Letang, 3.7 million

Phaneuf, .5 million



These are the biggest overpayments you can think of off the top of you head and they're still not nearly as big as the 4.7 million dollar raise you're saying Niskanen will get.  If you're so sure he's going to get so hugely overpaid, or at least more overpaid than your list here, I just want to know why?  What's so much more extreme about this year than all those you mentioned here?  Remember, the Parise/Suter UFA class was weak too and they don't get a 300% markup on their contracts.

#2522557 Redwings great R/H D men.............?

Posted by kipwinger on 02 June 2014 - 06:59 PM


I compared the markets not the players, I just mentioned Suter has never once hit 50 points either. If you think Suter is worth $12 million/year, then I don't know what to tell you, he will hav a very high cap hit until he is 39. It was very much overpayment, Chicago offered even more of an overpayment, and we offered slightly less of one, I am not saying I don't want him here, if it were between Suter and Niskanen, I would absolutely take Suter, his cap hit and term any day without question over niskanen, even if he was willing to play for us for free. Yes Suter is elite, yes he is tops in the league, but he is still being over payed, and that's how it is now. If you don't believe me that Niskanen will get more than he is worth, go look at other contracts that have been handed out, Weber was given a contract that will end up crippling nashville, but they had to match it. Look at Clarkson, Clowe, Bickell, Perry, Parise, Letang, Phaneuf, and half the players on edmonton. Overpaying has become commonplace, because if you don't someone else will

don't forget every philly player too


Ryan Suter is one of the premier two way defensemen in the league and his cap hit is 7.5 million a year, not 12.  You're just jooking stats to make a point.  He's getting paid exactly what he deserves and so will Niskanen. 

#2522479 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 02 June 2014 - 08:25 AM

Y'know, I'm not a big fan of Kesler or the idea of trading for him - but if the price is Jurco, Andersson, and our first-round pick in the upcoming draft? I strongly consider pulling that trigger.


I agree but I think they'd want better than Anderson as the third piece but who knows?



I'd be more reluctant to move Jurco than I would to move Nyquist or Tatar.  He's big, not afraid to play the body, and is only going to get tougher to play against.  Nyquist and Tatar are redundant.  I'd prefer to lose one or the other of them rather than a guy like Jurco.  Plus, upgrading the package to include one of the more NHL proven guys would likely make it easier for Vancouver to swallow Andersson as the third piece of the trade. 


Truth be told though, I'd rather it was Helm, Abby, or Smith than any of the guys mentioned above, but you can't always get what you want eh?

#2522186 ECF : (5) New York Rangers vs. (4) Les Canadiens de Montréal

Posted by kipwinger on 30 May 2014 - 09:39 AM

Anybody else think the League Offices are salivating at the thought of a NYC/LA final?  It's every professional league's wet dream.

#2522183 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 30 May 2014 - 09:07 AM



Besides staying relatively healthy - this team has ONE NEED. A capable puck moving, offensive defenseman that plays within our system. Forget this obsession with the Right Handed Shot, last time we won a cup we only had 1 in our top six. Our problem is and (has been since Lidstrom left), a massive void on the backend where we lack the playmaking, transition and control of the game we once had.


Kronwall can certainly play this style - but unfortunately he cant seem to do it while playing the shutdown role as well. As long as management stays on the same page - and based on our prospects pool we certainly draft like it - we need to acquire a defenseman (left or right handed) that can get the puck out of our zone and set up/sustain our possession based offense. We still have a very capable group of forwards, not any worse than those of Montreal or New York - the difference is they have much better puck movers than we do.


The rest of our top 6 (Ericsson, Dekeyser, Smith, Kindl and Quincey) represent 4 players that played the exact same defensive minded game, and Brendan Smith who does not fit the style of game our forwards are used to playing. At times, I liked what I saw from Smith, I thought he showed some of his skillset - but it was almost ALWAYS a great individual rush beating 1 or 2 players, circle back and make a pass to a forward regardless of how bad of a position the forward was in. His 19 points in the regular season, and 0 in the playoffs seam to reflect this.


I understand the value of having a mix of Right Handed players, but this team needs a Quarterback - even if he shoots left.


I agree with this, but I don't think it goes far enough.  I want the puck mover.  That's the top priority.  But since the San Jose and Nashville series a few years ago teams have figured out that if you keep Detroit to the outside, and block shots, you'll beat them.  In the playoffs we play EXCLUSIVELY from the perimeter. 


We need to get bigger and grittier.  I don't mean fighters, or hulking fourth liners.  I mean we need top six talent with enough size and toughness to play in front of the net.  It's not surprising that guys like Carter, Bickell, Bourque are scoring in the playoffs.  They go to areas that playoff goals get scored from.


I'm not saying skill doesn't matter.  It does (Gaborik is proving that every game).  I'm saying we've got enough skill already and need to compliment it.  One or two big bodied wingers who can score in the crease (sorry Abby) would probably increase our success. 

#2521976 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 28 May 2014 - 02:27 PM

This team needs two reliable D men right now while some of the prospects develop.






Pick one. 2 year deal max.






Pick one. 2 year deal max.


Holland has to try and improve the top six as well. If he has a chance to grab a UFA, he better do it.







Pick one.


Then sign one of these guys to back up Jimmy for one year.






None of that really makes us tougher to play  against though.  Add any (or all) of those guys and Boston still wipes us out in the first round.  Add all those guys, plus Sproul, Mantha, Pulkkinen, and Marchenko and Boston STILL wipes us out in the first round. 


Ken Holland has a real opportunity to use all this cap space, tradeable assets, and roster space to significantly improve the team WHILE ALSO making it harder to play against.  But not if he takes the easy way out and signs more aging vets, club footed third pair d-men, and undersize and/or European forwards. 


For example:  Vrbata is a better player, but a guy like RJ Umberger is a bigger need.  We've got six guys that can do what Vrbata does, we've got nobody that can do what Umberger does.  That's what I'm getting at.

#2521873 Next Seasons Needs/Team Future

Posted by kipwinger on 27 May 2014 - 01:51 PM


I agree with this.  We've got the cap and roster flexibility to be aggressive this year and I think we should be.  My priorities are as follow (I'm trying to be realistic in terms of value and only acquiring guys who are believed to be available):


1.  Trade Smith, Helm, and our 1st for Ryan Kesler.

2.  Trade Franzen and Andersson for RJ Umberger and a 2nd. 

3.  Sign Niskanen (5 years, 5.5 million)

4.  Sign Fedor Malykhin to a two way contract. 

5.  Kindl can go too, for a late pick, and replaced with a vet d-man if you felt like finding one (I didn't bother on this). 


CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($7.500m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m)
R.J. Umberger ($4.600m) / Stephen Weiss ($4.900m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m)
Tomas Tatar ($2.000m) / Riley Sheahan ($1.000m) / Tomas Jurco ($0.709m)
Drew Miller ($1.350m) / Luke Glendening ($0.628m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($4.250m)
Matt Niskanen ($5.500m) / Danny DeKeyser ($2.500m)
Jakub Kindl ($2.400m) / Alexei Marchenko ($0.667m)
Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) /
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m)
Petr Mrazek ($0.595m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,174,167; BONUSES: $535,833
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $6,925,833

#2521862 Puck Daddy: Trotz Head Coach for Caps

Posted by kipwinger on 27 May 2014 - 10:35 AM

I'm calling for a disaster.  The team isn't built for Trotz' style of game and I don't think Leonsis will stomach huge roster turnover and/or significantly less scoring.  This will be a real test for Barry.  He's going to need to coach a (more) offensive game to get wins initially.  We'll see how he fair. 


Oh...and Ovechkin will eat him alive.  Alex is an institution in D.C. and nobody, but nobody, will make him do something he doesn't want to do. 


I expect the honeymoon to be short, a lot of internal problems (e.g. Hunter and Ovie) and eventually Trotz will be let go because Ovie sells merchandise and tickets.  That's my prediction. 

#2521758 2014 draft thoughts.

Posted by kipwinger on 26 May 2014 - 01:48 AM

He needs to sack up and make a bold move


Seems to me like there are many things that you could criticize Ken Holland for, but drafting isn't one of them.  He does just fine with the draft. 

#2521651 Mantha named CHL player of the year

Posted by kipwinger on 24 May 2014 - 06:13 PM

I watched a good amount of the Memorial Cup games, and to be really honest I think this kid needs a year in the AHL.  His size, skill, and speed are obvious for the world to see, but when he finally had to face some tough checking he was flummoxed.  I genuinely think he'll be really good, but he needs to acclimatize himself to higher quality competition in the AHL.  If not he'll get frustrated and get knocked off his game.  If it's that easy for Guelph and Edmonton to do it, imagine how he'd suffer against NHL competition.  I'd give him a full year in the AHL with the understanding that he'd be the first or second injury call up. 

#2521532 Bettman getting a raise (again) 8 - 8,3 million in 2012 - 2013

Posted by kipwinger on 23 May 2014 - 03:01 PM

3 lockouts. Negotiating without shutting the league down would be good negotiations, he's too stubborn and knows nothing about hockey


He may not "know anything about hockey" in the sense that he probably couldn't coach a team to the Stanley Cup finals, but I'm sure Mike Babcock couldn't operate a multi-billion dollar industry either. 


Gary Bettman isn't employed to be a fanboy.  He's employed to run a business, and by ever single metric he's doing that very well.