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Was over on hockeysfuture and read that Savard has said he is willing to waive his no trade clause to three teams, Detroit, Toronto and Ottawa. Hudler+1st round pick for Savard? Filpulla+? for Savard. I would try to pull the trigger on this.

Of course.

They sold their future for a cup... that's really what it comes down to, but at the same token, they're stock piling so many picks, that they'll likely be loaded with young talent in 5 years again... probably not a horrible plan in the cap era, however, it's risky and I hope they fall fast and HARD

No, but it allows my head to grow that little bit more.

Smith could fill Rafi, as for Nick.. thats just not fair... we can draft D men #1 overall for years in a row and still never fill those skates.

Not so fast! Can't see anyone taking on that freakin joke of an overpayment. Wouldn't even be able to talk the Rangers into something that cap ludicrous.

Its all good brotha! We are rockin the Abby avatars. We get mulligans and never ending edits all day!

What are you seriously on about? No one mentioning drafting "zero risk tough guys." We're just talking about getting some bigger bodies in our team. You need some chill pills...and some nausea pills.

He did well last year on both squads, but I agree, that seems a little steep. I guess they really wanted to keep him. He is also pretty young though, and hasn't yet realized his potential.

What the majority of Hawks "fans" do anyway...

Seems a small group of posters (or one guy with multiple accounts) has been repeatadly negging all of my posts. Impressive, no? He/they have negged me about 50/60 times in the last 24 hours. Im just a little peeved off

Dude would own this town if he came here... I would offer quite a bit for him. Man love for Lucic lol.

Goodness... yes. Just all I can say. Always been one of my favorite players. If we can do that, sorry Val but I am all about it.

Yeah Pav! First time I have gotten a chance to see this. Just owns that stage just as graceful as on the ice. We love ya Pav! Most deserving award of the night.

Dats gets into the Hall from that deke on Turko alone. esteef

Maybe it's my Red Wings bias showing but I have to give the edge to Stevie - he has more goals, more points, more Cups and he was captain of the Wings longer than Joe was the captain of the Avs. Joe didn't change his game halfway through his career to become more of a two-way center (regardless of the reason he did it). Also, Stevie suffered that horrific knee injury early in his career and went on to play another 18 years on a knee that was steadily deteriorating and required multiple procedures over the years just to keep it in semi-working order. Not to mention his heroic performance in the 2002 playoffs when it finally did give out and his comeback after a knee realignment surgery that old people get just so they can walk. In terms of leadership and respect, I think they're pretty close but I would still give the edge to Stevie. He is the epitome of a class act and has the utmost respect throughout the league. Do you think the fans of Tampa Bay would have gone just as gaga over Joe being named the GM as they did over Stevie? I don't. However, Joe and Stevie are pretty dang close. They're both well-respected, class individuals who are similar in that they led their teams with a quiet authority and never really drew all the attention to themselves. Stevie might be in the top spot, but Joe isn't even a full step behind him.

I reeeeeally dont want to watch a few hours of drafting if Detroit just trades down again... edit: yeah cos this really deserves a -2

JARRED TINORDI...pleeeeeease be about it...

**** = You Do one = f*** off Sorted.

Yeah just like he was a star in Moncton this year....

CapnSmitty is right. The Griffins are independently owned (by a group headed by Dan DeVos). They have had a Primary Affiliation with the Detroit Red Wings since 2002. Prior to that, it was with the Ottawa Senators. The newest agreement was signed in the Spring of 2007 and extends for a 5 year period - if I remember correctly. As part of the 2007 agreement, the Wings acquired responsibility for the GR coaches, and immediately fired Head Coach Greg Ireland who was the winningest coach ever for GR. I think this responsibility was negotiated back the following year after a horrible season with the new coach that Detroit picked. He was released too. Also based on the agreement, Detroit must provide a minimum number of players to GR - I want to say its like 16 or 18. The rest are GR's responsibility. They sometimes sign a secondary affiliation with another NHL team - like with Dallas when the Stars were without their own primary AHL affiliate. As part of the affiliation agreement, GR works with the NHL club to determine how much playing time a player gets and on any individual development issues. It is not common for employees of the AHL affiliate to graduate up to the NHL affiliate since they are usually independently owned. However, often the AHL coaches and equipment managers become like Black Aces similar to the players when the AHL season is done if the NHL team is still in the playoffs.

I know for a fact that Illitch Holdings does not have any part of ownership of the Griffins, I am also mostly sure that the players signed by the Wings (as in have a wings 2 way/1 way contract) are on the Wings payroll, anyone who is on an ATO or Griffins contract are on the Griffins Payroll.

Thats the thing, he performed well at the u18's so he seems great. He's like the 17th ranked European skater so I would not be happy with that when there is 17 Europeans ranked higher and only about 3 will be off of the board by then probably. Macfarland is compared to Brendan Morrow, if he's half the warrior Morrow is then he's worth our pick.

He's just saying what he wants teh wings to do this draft. No reason to get snappy. And seeing Finnish wing reply reminded me that I don't want that Pulkinen or whatever his name is either. 5'11 European, no thanks.