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I support the players you listed, and I also support big goons who have no talent other than intimidating people and punching them in their faces. And no I don't care that those players don't skate well or score points. Just being completely honest with my feelings on this.

I gave you a +1 for positively enforcing honesty.

I gave you a +1 for being honest.

The game changed and so did the Wings. That's why we stay on top. Also I hate to break it to you, there are more and more Europeans being brought to the NHL. Less Russians, but an influx of Swedes and Fins. It's only a matter of time before the "guys who can take a punch from Orr" are gone form the game. Dallas Drake was a special player. Look at his age, though, he was near the last of a dying breed. There are maybe only a handful of guys in the league that fight and score on a regular basis. The only person on the Wings I'd replace with a guy who makes the same as him, or slightly more, would be Miller. i think Miller is highly replaceable, but as I've stated before is that our 3rd and 4th lines are the best in the NHL. Why would you want to change that? And there is no such thing as an intimidating "corner digger". Wings have two of the more devastating open ice hitters in the league. Picky picky.

Give me Danny Cleary and all the intangibles he brings over a knuckle dragger any day.

This poll is terrible. Prust is the only guy that can actually play hockey. The other two are garbage. If the poll was "Would Prust be a welcome addition to this team", I would have said yes. But you have two pylons. 2/3 are pylons so I was forced to say no. Prust would look good in a Winged wheel, as he actually has talents and is really starting to come into his own since last season. Neil and Prust ar emuch much better players than Konopka and Rupp. That's like saying would you trade Helm for a player like Eaves/Miller/Filppula/Franzen? There is such a huge discrepancy in skill and point production.

I just read the best idea for Nabby yet. Tell Snow you're ready to play. Show up, play a period or so, then fake an injury. It's been working for DiPietro for years now. Then he can go where he wants when the season is over, and there's nothing the Isles can do about it.

Filppula has almost 50% more points than Fischer and makes 1.2 million less than him. AND you want to give away a pick/prospect with Filppula? Does your obsessive fascination with men touching each other blind any logic or reason from your mind completely, or is it only 90%?

I gave you +1 for positively enforcing the positive enforcing of honesty.

Hooray for honesty!

I support the players you listed. Dont care for the players who are on the team just to fight. I like the kind of player who can kill penalties, grind out goals, play smart hockey and isnt afraid to drop the gloves if needed

I'm surprised getting rid of the salary cap wasn't one of the changes he listed.

That is my opinion. I don't see the appeal of enforcers, but if we need one to win, we should get one. If we don't need one to win, we shouldn't get one. Right now, I don't think we need one.

Even in the 90s when there was no cap, the Wings fighters were also regular point-getters. Shanahan was a beast with the puck, Kocur almost broke 40 points, McCarty almost broke 50. Hell, even Probert was known to light the lamp. Go Broncos! also: no enforcer, BS in biomedical science, double minor in chemistry and psychology, currently interviewing at medical schools (Wayne State was yesterday, MSU is on Thursday) for Fall 2011.

My opinion is for whichever choice will give the Wings the best chance game after game to win.

No enforcer. Its a waste of roster space, they never fit into the wings' system of rolling four balanced lines and will put further strain on the top two lines to do the bulk of the scoring. Currently completing a double major in biology and pre-med (biomedical science), and minors in Chemistry and German.

No 3 Masters: Sports Management/Economics/Business Administration

As if to imply this whole situation isn't already really messy?

Yeah but do you see those guys on our team right now that dig in corners intimidating anyone with their digging?! No, you can argue definitions all you want but Detroit doesn't have that guy who can go out there on forward and really change momentum with a big hit game in and game out. Helm and Abby can hit, but they dont really do it that often. Having a guy like Clutterbuck would really help this team, he swings the momentum of games because he is always hitting everything that moves and it does make the defence want to give up the puck earlier. Eaves is a very good bottom line guy but he doesn't hit hard really, Miller does nothing of note out there, Helm and Abby hit on occasion when they feel like it and Cleary can throw his weight a bit too. But Detroit lacks that one guy who is a heat seeking missile out there looking to crush anything that moves, these players really get the other teams defence worrying when they are on the ice. Digging in the corners is great and we can argue the definition of grit, but are you really that dense to say that digging in corners is as gritty as a guy who does dig in corners AND throws big hits and will scrap on occasion? Detroit fans are used to sitting here and saying oh our team can take alot of hitting and cheap stuff against us so we're tough. Why not be able to do that AND dish it out? I swear there are a lot on this website that started watching the wings when they became very European right around the lock out and if the wings adopted a different style of play they would not be fans anymore...

Sorry fellas im new to the forum. Probably should of looked over past topics before posting so my bad.

Totally agree but only to a point. The Wings are certainly softer than they were in the old days but I think it's unfair to question their heart. When I see the Wings I see a team that never seems to just cash it in even when their losing. One thing is for certain, we need to beef up a bit up front and on the blue line. We can't always depend on finesse to win hockey games. Sometimes it's the gritty plays that are most effective and I think we lack the big physical players on both offense and defense. Still I see no reason why we can't make another serious run this year...as long as goal tending holds up that is.

Bring back the NHL of the 80s and 90s. The NHL of now is starting to remind me of the crap they called Slap Shot 2. With all the "family" and fairy nonsense.

Turning down fights means they won't ever fight, now?

I'd love to see the Stooges and the White Stripes playing a show in Detroit. Those are some seriously influential groups. I don't know why people think Kid Rock is so good. He's awful, and everything he touches is s***.

Clay Aiken? Apparently Bettman believes that the fandom consists primarily of 13 year old girls and soccer moms who watch American Idol. Even friggin' Nickelback would have been more in touch than Clay Aiken. Refereed by Marty Turco.