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Lose some weight and upgrade into a Lidstrom jersey, you'll feel better. :-)

If it's really not something special, how come other teams aren't close to our streak. If you don't want to compare the streak to other sports - It's the 5th longest streak in NHL history, but all the longer streaks were started in 60s or 70s - long before the 92 expansion. If you miss the significance of being able keeping a competitive hockey team for that length of time in the modern NHL, you are missing a large part of what has made the Red Wing under Illitch a very unique organization.

People are seriously rage quitting this team over a deadline deal involving a prospect that may bolt to Sweden and a jobber that requested a trade in order to get some playing time under his belt so he can get a contract next year? Are these the same people that threatened to rage quit the team if Kenny *didn't* make a trade this year? Not to be a *****, but I totally get why fans of other teams hate red wings fans. Some of the posts I've read today compared with posts leading up to the deadline are ridiculous. Do I think Kenny overpaid? Probably, but I'm under NO illusions that I could possibly know how to do his job better than he does. Forgive me for whining about whining, but DAMN.

Let's have a look at the positives of this trade though: 1. Legwand has 40 points in 60 games under Barry Trotz's Nashville system 2. Legwand waived his NTC to come here, has a place here, so chances are he re-signs here (hopefully for a good cap hit) 3. Our centre depth is ridiculous, and will be for at least another 4-5 years (D,Z, Legwand, Weiss, Helm, Sheahan, Andy, Glendening) which made Jarnkrok expendable (Babcock would have none of that attitude) 4. Legwand has managed to stay relatively healthy most of his career, whereas our other centres are made of glass right now 5. He's got great speed and is a decent 2 way centre (you can't play in Nashville if you're not a 2 way player) All in all, Legwand makes our team look much, much better. He gives us a chance at the playoffs, especially since Datsyuk is now out for three weeks and Helm is out. Andersson as our 1C for one game is one game too many. On another note, I absolutely love Sheahan and his line. Their shifts are easily our most exciting shifts each game.

Eaves-no big deal conditional pick, 2nd or 3rd- not a big deal Jarkrok-guy who may never play in the NHL if he really wants to go back home. Not a big deal. Legwand was the best center moved. Detroit got him.

No I think it's just you, nyquististhefuture and to a lesser extent pucktividi. This whole thread has just turned into one huge rant for you guys.

One trade means we're selling the farm now lol. This trade only made because we were desperate for a center. That's it.

Holland is being hated on because he wasn't able to steal a player away from another team. It's all Holland's fault that there aren't enough GMs as bad as Garth Snow. Shame on him.

Wings were in on Kessler. Vancouver didn't trade him. They needed to make a trade for a center or pack it in. Ownership mandates the Wings push for the playoffs, Holland made the move he had to make.

As far as making the playoffs, it's not just a record thing, it's a business thing. The players make no more money in the playoffs, yet the owners do. Even if they got swept in the first round, two home games is 2+ million dollars for the organization.

This trade gives the team a shot at staying in the hunt until we get players back. If Weiss and helm return sooner rather than later, at least we can ice a good enough roster to win some games while dats is out. If dats can play in three weeks we have a solid forward group to finish off the season and hopefully go into the playoffs with. Sure on paper we probably overpaid. But hey, I'm sure management knows something that we don't. I'm thankful that they didn't give up on the season and didn't sell the farm to do so. Its a bummer we didn't get a top four dman, but this defense got the job done in the home stretch last year and I have faith they can do it again with a little luck with the injured players. We got a center who can contribute on both ends of the ice. It gets a fourth line center off of our top line. Its also a player who wants to be here, and has shown in the past he can be clutch when called upon. Here is to hoping a lot of crow is eaten by seasons end!

Ok, I'm reading all of this trade bashing. Can someone tell me exactly what Jarnkrok has done on the NHL level that makes this so outraging? He's 3rd on the Griffs in points. Yes, he shows some promise...it get it. I get the "young talent", "ton of potential" thing...but has anyone looked at our current roster?? We are extremely heavy on really young guys. Our brass has said (and done well with for the most part) the theory on experienced players and their being counted on to perform in the playoffs. We knew if we wanted to get any player today, we would have to give up a piece of our young talent. So....am I outraged that we lost Calle Jarnkrock in a trade today...not really....in fact, I think looking at all of our young talent losing a soft Euro with the proverbial "great hands", who has hinted that he wants to go home to Sweden and play, is actually a decent price to play for a veteran like Legwand.

Where were you when he re-signed Dan Cleary?

Geez,I did not really think that david legwand was gonna get traded,THANKS FOR 15 SEASONS LEGGY,Once A Pred Always A Pred.Good Luck in Detroit,aleast you are going to a team that i like now

That's HI-C, son. Get it straight.

Yes, I think we fully understand your line of thinking. A commitment to losing now is a commitment to winning later. And, you think that automatically will turn Detroit into the new Pittsburgh and Chicago. The main problems that I have with that are that (as has been pointed out to you already), top draft picks do not always lead to Stanley Cups or even general success. There are more examples of teams that drafted high for multiple seasons and it didn't work out that well for them than the other. And, I don't think losing purposefully for any reason is respectable and I can not and will not buy into it. I don't root for my team to lose - that's what fans of the other teams do.

Except both were injured before the Olympics....

You're still here almost 4 hours later?

So much can happen in the future, no one knows. It's silly to try and think of what this organization will be in 5-7 years. You don't play for the Stanley Cup in the future, you play for it now. If this team is 100% healthy, we have a great team. As someone posted the lineup earlier, that is some insane depth and talent. When we get injured next year (by when I mean when), we won't have to worry about Anderson playing 1st line anymore either.

He also said that when Datsyuk was day to day and Helm was not injured. If Weiss cannot allow us to play D and Z together, Legwand will while providing us with good defense and offense.

A year before your spreadsheet, he signed Marian Hossa. And a year before that, he signed Brian Rafalski. One won us a cup. The other got us to back-to-back finals.

15 seasons in nashville and the guy finally gets to go home,Treat him well red wings fans,Hopefully he come back to retire as a nashville predator,so we can hang his #11 in the rafters at bridgestone arena

I think people are a bit quick to stomp on the panic button here. What a lot of you aren't considering is Jarnkrok's verbal desire to return to Europe and play hockey over there. If that is the case down the line, Eaves and a 3rd for Legwand isn't bad, especially if Legwand re-signs here. Look at how many we have injured and Eaves still barely makes the line-up. We have a lot of players that can fill in his role. A 3rd might equate to a bottom 6 forward in 5-6 years, the rarity of getting a gem in the 3rd doesn't outweigh the risk. A lot of this decision was based around Jarnkrok potentially pulling a Kovalchuk and bailing out of the NHL system. If that happens, a lot of you are gonna feel better about this deal. I'm assuming management knows more about this scenario than we do. Take a deep breath, this isn't the end of the world.

And now the phase begins where Wings fans lie to themselves and play down Jarnkroks skill and potential to disguise this horrible trade as "bearable". I am still in shock.