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I would trade anyone doe the right deal. A risk isn't the right deal though, and Myers is a risk. He could turn into a stud after a trade like Chara and Pronged, or he could continue to play like a deer caught in the headlights and miss 20% of each season, or he could just settle into being a decent second pair D.

Certainly, I'm glad Holland was smart enough not to get stuck with him

What a goal!!!! NOW GET THE f*** INTO THE DRESSING ROOM, FLUSH THE s*** OUT OF YOUR HEADS AND DOMINATE PERIODS 2 AND 3

Oooh so that's how it works... That's why there are so many negative posters on here... I get it now... Always look at the glass half empty so that there are no let downs, just pleasant surprises... Gotcha.

Of course its totally acceptable to call out anyone who gives the puck away and it leads to a goal. Everyone does it reguarly in the GDT, including when Howard does it. Hell, this whole thread was made to bash Howard in the shootout and here we all are. As far as I'm aware, nobody ever bashed on you or your posts for doing that. What people disagree with is relying on a "statistic" that is entirely subjective as an objective way to rate a goalie, especially when its clear that you're not interested in comparing him to the rest of the league, but rather trying to paint him in a bad light. "Bad pass" was never defined, neither were a handful of other statistics that you came up with. Who decides what pass is considered "bad" or not? You? And even if you came to some objective way to quantify a bad pass goal, there exists absolutely zero data on any other goaltender in the history of the NHL in these statistical categoreis, so any values that are obtained, whether objective or otherwise, still have no value because there's no way to define what's considered an acceptable range/poor range for bad pass goals or whatever else you were looking at. Maybe Howard actually has the best bad pass goals against in the league. But all you were interested in was counting how many times he let those goals in, and not determining how that value compared to other goalies. As for the next part of your post, wherein you bring up "really bad starts" from that website: Its a s***ty name for a statistic (and it also made me lol), but in the website they clearly quantify "really bad start" as "A performance where the goaltender failed to attain even an .850 save percentage." That's objective. Under their definition, nobody can argue whether Howard has a "really bad start" or not. The author of that post is also using his statistics to compare different starts of Howard throughout a season/career and then coming up with a conclusion after the values have been analyzed. What he didn't do is come to his conclusion first, then make up stats to try to support his predetermined conclusion. ANYWAY I think Howard's problem is just as psychological as the rest of the Wings at this point. They all expect to lose, and teams that verse us in the SO expect to win. And it shows in their body language. We aren't seeing those creative dekes (or any dekes), and everyone is more comfortable just shooting the puck. I'm not a goalie so I don't know how to read a goalie's body language as well, but I imagine that Howard isn't playing the shootout with a lot of confidence right now. Maybe that means he's playing too tight to the net, or he's trying to react instead of predict too much, or vice versa. All I know is that he hasn't always been this poor.

I can't speak for how he acted in NJ. Degraa suggested the Wings passed on him over his terrible attitude, and I don't see that being the case at all. He wanted a payday and the Wings (along with a lot of other teams) said no. That's just business.

Did we win?? Wrong horn, guys!

Goose is loose. I so want Mickey to call the play Bingo, Bango, Bunghole! Or at least have someone put Mick onto Cornholio with that caption.

Panthers really believe they’re better than Detroit. It’s all about desire. Florida have their work boots on and Detroit? They have Franzen.

Feels like a good night for pizza and beer.

That's the way the #7 should be used when there's am NHL ready prospect in GR.

I dont even know what abscond means, but that made me lol

Wow, that's a very accurate description

Are you saying that you intentionally believe unlikely things, so that when they don't happen you're happy about the surprise? Because it sounds like you are. In which case I wonder, why stop there? You could believe a whole host of horrible (and unlikely) things and then celebrate your good luck when they don't happen. Here's a couple... 1. I'm going to get eaten by a shark tomorrow. 2. Next Thursday my house will be poisoned by radon. 3. Racoons will abscond with my cat. 4. This year, I really will get a lump of coal for Christmas. 5. I'm probably already possessed by Satan (or perhaps some lesser imp).

I might care about this.... if the outdoor game deal hadn't already been completely watered down and ruined with the flood of other outdoor games besides the Winter Classic.

Not that Jimmy has been great in shootout situations. But the thread title should really be, "Red sucks in a shootout Wings." Cause it's most certainly not all on Jimmy.

I can't believe this thread made it through the night.

Next to the amount of words wasted on the waiving of Colton Orr and Frazer Maclaren, that's the most text I've ever seen spent on two players who matter as little as these two do.

+10 points for originality

We're tied with them for 14th in the NHL? I didn't know that! Let's go, Red Wings, smack down at the Joe tonight! De-flower Flower, OK, Gus Gus and Tater and Mule and Alfie? Or whoever else cares to contribute a goal or 3? No OT or SO, please... Thanks for the cool GDT, Mike! Awesome job, as always!!