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The guy was a true troll. I mean he's been permabanned and he once again singlehandedly got LGW to discuss his trolliness in a thread originally dedicated to Drew Miller. Guys a pro.

Lol hilarious till they get the ban. Then that's even more hilarious

Schenn is a third pair guy. Maybe an OK #4. Wings have lots of guys like that, they need a top pair guy.

Drew Miller (knee) is on the ice skating on his own before the RedWings practice at JLA. Drew goes top shelf per The Wheel Deal (@Bill_Roose)

When evaluating a team and trying to identify your biggest holes which for us is the lack of a 1A d-man, you cant have the attitude like you are expressing. You need to try to do your best and see if you can fill that hole. Again, yes I realize Weber is not coming, but what I would like the Wings to do this summer is try to go out and get a 1A d-man. I fully understand it is going to be a hard task, but you can't not try something because its going to be hard. That is the mind set that people and organizations that fail have and I dont believe the Wings are that type of organization. I am not playing "insert the name of your favorite superstar here", what I am saying is that we need to go out and find a 1A d-man, or someone who is close to becoming a 1A d-man. This is why I would like us to make a pitch for Trouba. When your need is finding a 1A d-man, having an attitude of "Well, we aren't going to get one so why bother. Lets go out and get a #5/6 d-man and pay him like he is a top 4 guy." is just going to to put you further behind. As far as Stamkos, I agree that there is a very high chance that he is going to the Leafs or staying in TB, however to say it is 99.99% IMO is short sided. There are a lot of variables is choices like this, and as much as some of us like to believe we know everything, we don't. I have my suspicions about TB as if he was going to sign there, I would think he would have signed by now. As a Detroit fan, this situation seems eerily similar to Scherzer, Suh, and Babcock and there is a good chance it could play out the same way. As for Toronto, just ask Phil Kessel or Dion Phenuef how it feels being the top player on that team. I could very easily see Stamkos not wanting to be under that kind of microscope especially after spending the early part of career in TB which is not even close to the same kind of environment. As to why would Stamkos want to come here? If I had to give reasons, here are 3 off the top of my head. 1) We are a team with a ton of young talent (Mantha, Larkin, AA etc.) , and widely considered by most as to be close to being a very good team. If you can shed some of the extra salary from this team, add that 1A d-man and a player like RH scoring threat like Stamkos, there is not a reason to think this team cant contend if the youngsters can keep getting better. If I am Stamkos, I am looking at what a team will look like after I sign, and a Detroit with Stamkos, a 1A d-man and not really losing anyone of importance looks pretty good. 2) Stamkos is from Markham, Ontario. Playing in Detroit allows him to be about 4 hours away from home by car, 1 hour by plane. He can have family and friends come and watch him play, and going home for the holidays, birthdays etc. all of a sudden becomes very doable. Yes, living in Toronto would make it easier, but if he doesn't play in that market for the reasons I stated above, Detroit would make sense. Before you someone says it, yes you could make this same argument for Ottawa or Buffalo which are also potential landing spots for Stamkos which makes your 99.9% comment even more ridicoulas. 3) The history of the Wings. Looking up in the rafters and seeing names like Howe, Lindsay, Sawchuk, Yzerman, Lidstrom etc. it means something. Regardless of the Wings right now, I do believe this is a franchise that players who respect the game want to play for especially with everything going on right now with the teams on other levels (ie arena). None of us know how Stamkos himself feels. He may love the Wings, he may hate the Wings. There are so many variables at play here, that for us to say anything as if it is definitive fact, is just wrong. Again, I dont think Stamkos is coming here. There are other teams that would be better then us with him on the roster, and just based on math alone the odds are against us. But if you are going to make statements such as "There is 0 reason for him to come to detroit". Hopefully I just explained to you why that is simply not true and just an exaggeration. Lastly, to say we haven't "bottomed out yet" is implying that to get elite, you have to be the worst of the worst first which is simply not true. We literally did this back in the 2000's. We never "bottomed out" after 2002 in order to get to 2008, we rebuilt on the fly which is what we are doing now. I am not saying we are doing it successfully now, only time will tell us that.

Of course I didn't account for the possibility of a shootout...Okay, so with the shootout loss by Boston today, here's what things come down to for us against Boston later this week: Detroit regulation win - We're in the playoffs. Boston is out. Detroit overtime win - Have to go at least 0-1-1 to guarantee the playoffs. Detroit shootout win - Have to go at least 0-0-2 to guarantee the playoffs. Boston regulation win - Have to go 2-0 to guarantee the playoffs (both wins in regulation/OT). Boston overtime win - Have to go 2-0 to guarantee the playoffs. Boston shootout win - Have to go 1-0-1 to guarantee the playoffs (win has to be regulation/OT). In other words, even if we lose to Boston later this week our playoff destiny is still under our control. By losing tonight, Boston has put themselves in a situation to need outside help to make it.

We all *ahem* miss Bill, but let's please keep this on topic, which is Miller and his return. Thanks.

Yeah and they're hilarious when you arent the one feeding them

Me saying "You are spinning what others are saying to you to justify your argument." was directly related to your comments that we need to change things up, but people don't want to get rid of anything. What I meant is that I do not believe people are against bringing in a new d-man and getting rid of some forwards, but that they would only do this for the right d-man, not any d-man. To myself at least, Schenn at 5mil/year he is not the right d-man, to you he is. But to say: "Some on here love circular firing squads. Our team needs to improve, yet at the same time we can't live without any of our players...... But hey the early tee times are coming." IMO is constructing a false narrative as I do believe that 99% of the posters on here would be more then happy getting rid of some of our forwards (ie. Tatar or Nyquist or Pulk etc) for what they deem the "right d-man". Again, it's just that very few if any believe Schenn at 5mil is that person.

LGW getting worked up? That's a first.

That's about what I was thinking. It probably takes the first and marchenko. Unless there's something they like more about Ouellet

Great post kliq. I think we're on the same page when it comes to fixing this "mess"... We need to go hard after a top pairing defenseman to pair with DeKeyser, and Trouba would fit that bill perfectly. Young, local kid with great size, tons of potential, shoots right, is rumored to be available, and is in the Western Conference. This is the type of defenseman that you should be willing to overpay for and Holland needs to make a pitch that Cheveldayoff cannot refuse... That one addition would go a long way in fixing this defense. Adding more depth 3rd pairing guys does nothing to improve this team, and Schenn is not the answer. Regarding Stamkos, I agree that there is a chance that he comes here, although I think it's very unlikely. But can you imagine adding Trouba and Stamkos this offseason? I know, I know, the chance of one of these things happening is slim, let alone both, but that would make us instant contenders in my opinion... Larkin - Stamkos - Mantha Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Abdelkader Tatar - Athanasiou - Jurco Helm - Sheahan - Glendening DeKeyser - Trouba Smith - Green Kronwall - Ericsson / Marchenko Mrazek UFA

Good catch! For some reason I thought we were ahead of them by two in ROW. Edited to reflect your corrections. So it's this: Detroit regulation win - We're in the playoffs. Boston is out. Detroit overtime win - Have to go at least 0-1-1 to guarantee the playoffs. Detroit shootout win - Have to go at least 0-0-2 to guarantee the playoffs. Boston regulation win - Have to go 2-0 to guarantee the playoffs (both wins in regulation/OT). Boston overtime win - Have to go 2-0 to guarantee the playoffs. Boston shootout win - Have to go 1-0-1 to guarantee the playoffs (win has to be regulation/OT).

Couple minor corrections:If we beat Boston in a shootout, we would need 2 points to guarantee a spot. If Boston beats us in a SO, we would need either 4 points or 3 with a ROW. Reason is in those scenarios, Boston either wins or ties the season series, and they would win goal differential. We're currently only one ROW ahead. So we need either more points or to match them in both points and ROW.

We're upto 66% I believe

Good thing the game wasn't played in hell? So now it's beat Boston (edit: in regulation) and we're in right? What's the tie breaker after ROW?

That's Brad Richards you're talking about.

You just described a Troll.

If Holland followed this logic a year or two ago Tatar would be in Edmonton, and you'd have your 6th round pick and Pulkkinen would be in Tatar's spot in the top six, who at the time was considered a sure thing in the NHL based on how he was destroying the AHL. In other words, you would have traded our second highest goal scorer away for beans and replaced him in the lineup with someone who can't even currently crack it.

A 3 year-old bleacher report article is the best (only) thing you can find? Well I guess that speaks for itself...lol

That Bill guy would have hurt himself seeing this news right about now.

I think something was lost in translation. I'm betting Datsyuk is talking about what he will do after his final year is out.

Its almost like I know what I'm talking about eh? Lol. To be fair, McDavid would clearly have won the Calder if not for his injury (he still might), so we will call it 2 for 3. Still, kudos to me for the Kessel and playoff picks. Nobody called that, either on LGW or in the hockey press, at the time.

Never really have. The person below me knows what I was referencing in post #11871.

That is one writers opinion, which is fine. But I disagree. Schenn is 4 years younger, the cost would be similiar KFQ is a UFA this off season and made 4.25 per year on his last contract, Schenn is far more physical averages over 3 hits per game to KFQ's 1 per game. Takeaways and Giveaway's are about the same. So is blocked shots. Schenn is also RHed vs KFQ's LHed shot. Schenn is the much smarter move between the 2. If you want players to be brought in, which we all do you have to have cap space and give up something to get something. It is that simple. Now do I expect a ton of changes? Nope. In fact I expect 0. But hope springs eternal.