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Normally you're right, and it would not be derailing. But when the topic has been talked about to death in many threads and keeps being brought up without any new info or points being added, that's when it becomes "derailing" Nobody wants to read in every single thread "Helm sucks" "Helm does not suck" etc. etc. etc. I have to say though, while I agree Helm was overpaid given our teams roster/payroll, saying Holland should have paid market value is just wrong as he was paid exactly that. Many reports out there state Helm could have been paid more from other teams. Remember, market value is simply that market value. Market value doesn't mean good contract.

If this is in response to me, read my post carefully. I never implied it was a "smart deal", I simply said it was market value. Again, market value and a good contract are NOT the same things.

Trouba should just tell the Jets this. Anyone friends with Trouba in real life? Plenty of Michigan folks here. Convince the guy to try to come home.

Trouba and the Jets far apart on everything: http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/jets-trouba-still-cant-agree-on-money-term-but-usage-concerns-stand-out-most/ God, I'd love for him to play next to DeKeyser on the top pair and get all the PP time his heart desires.

I thought we were done derailing every thread into this? Can we please just move on from Helm's contract? Despite being paid market value, nobody is disputing that Helm is a bit overpaid. I know you get annoyed when the "pro Helm" crowd speak up, but what do you expect when you says things like "even if he got drew miller money, he'd still be overpaid". There is no way that you don't realize that a comment like this is going to re-start the already exhausted debate. Please just move on. This is turning into "You/Franzen", "Bill/Miller", "Dickie/Abby 7 years" territory.

Could you imagine this D with both Fowler and Trouba on it for the rest of their careers? Add to that DD and Marchenko? Our D will be set for the next 15 years!

Put Nyquist or Helm on the same line as AA and I think their speed can be a game changing third line like they were in the 2013 playoffs I would almost prefer to see AA at wing this year. Gives him a better chance to get minutes and can insert him more easily

I actually thought the speed of both AA and Helm would be deadly...go figure!

Interesting read on possible trades for a D http://thehockeywriters.com/the-grind-line-potential-red-wings-trades-for-defensive-help/

I miss winter. I hear from reliable sources that is IS coming, however. GOT

I miss the Central Division

For the price we had to pay we should've let him walk

wait a minute there buddy... I'm not overpaid

Am I the only one who sees a pretty graph but has no clue how to read it?

I mean there are options, such as proxies and whatnot. They just aren't kosher. But more to the point, I think that here in 2016 convenient and legal options for folks to watch games regardless of whether they're in Texas, Australia, or Michigan should be available and independent of a cable or satellite subscription.

Just when I conclude that people cannot get more vapid, ridiculous, and self-absorbed - someone launches Pokemon Go, and I am proved wrong once again. One way to thin the herd, as people walk off the edges of cliffs and buildings, into the paths of oncoming buses, etc. SMH