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He's having a fantastic year. Sambrook as well. This team hasn't developed a Top 4 D-man in a very long time. It's time to start.

He's had the better career since he parted ways with us. Granted he inherited a team with Hedman and Stamkos. Hollands career should not be discredited because of the currrent state of the team. He has more accomplishments than most GMs will ever dream of. That being said, Id still rather have Yzerman. Cup or not, it's clear he's in tune with todays game.

Personally, I'm not saying Yzerman is the ultimate answer to the teams woes, but it can easily be argued that Holland has not been as successful as Yzerman since 2010.

Well, that and the thing that's a bit annoying is people give Yzerman credit for all the Tampa moves including the ones he actually hasn't made and happened before he got there but when it comes to Holland "it was all Scotty Bowman". Personally I would be happy with Yzerman coming here because I believe he's a good GM and he would be a good candidate, BUT good doesn't mean AMaZing, by any means. I'd take hire him if there are no better suitors. For instance if Lou Lamoriello was available, I believe he would be the better choice over Yzerman. I think for me, a new GM would be nice just for the sake of having a new voice leading the way. I fully believe even GM's voices can get stale and Holland's time has expired just like Babcock's did.

No worries, I knew it wasn't you Ken

Nice Job Chevy!

Wes McCauley, what the hell?! http://www.bardown.com/wes-mccauley-made-the-greatest-penalty-announcement-you-will-ever-hear-1.670155

That wouldn't be close to enough to get either of those guys, and we just don't have the pieces the Avs are looking for, outside of major overpayment. Colorado are looking for a top 2-3 defenseman in his prime, something we don't have to offer them. If we're making any sort of trade of that magnitude, we also need to be going hard after a top pair defenseman. I'd go after an elite center, but only after we get our D straightened out. Wingers are the one thing we don't need, no thanks on Landeskog... Trade Vanek, assuming he's healthy. Hope to get some combination of 1st / 2nd / prospect. Shop Green, possibly hold on to him until next year's deadline, although I'd prefer trade him before the expansion draft. Hope to get, again, some combination of 1st / 2nd / prospect. Shop Smith. Hope to get a mid round pick. Shop Ott. Hope to get a late round pick. I'd throw out other names as well, but I'd look to make more trades in the summer if possible, involving Howard, Ericsson, Nyquist, Tatar, etc...

Holland is already setting himself up to do nothing or very little at the deadline. He always points to the next beneficial time frame to make trades as "that's where we will make moves". Then when the draft comes the mantra will be pushed to the trade deadline. I bet Vanek gets traded for a pick/prospect, and Smith for a mid to late pick. There will be no big moves that signal a rebuild, and the company line will be "we were only a few games away from the playoffs. There is no need to blow things up". Until Holland is replaced we will continue to sign anchor contracts, and see very few moves to make this team better.

From what I've hear Hronek is having a pretty solid year in the OHL. Close to a point per game. Hopefully he can keep building on that and crack the line up by the time guys like Mantha, Larkin and AA are in their prime. Same goes for a bunch of our younger prospects.

I actually think Babs used E appropriately. A conpliment to a top piece like Kronwall. Now that Kronwall sucks thou E is just as useless. Blash hasnt learned

Kliq, good luck. Clearly he's not mad about the actual trade, he's mad Neilsen was signed.

The article says "Holland said he talked “numerous times” to Arizona general manager John Chayka, who operates one of the few low-budget teams in the NHL. Around pick 13 Friday, when Arizona's target pick of Jakob Chychrun was still available, Chayka contacted Holland and the deal was swung." All this tells me is that Chayka contacted Holland first the night of the draft. The way you tell it, is that Chayka laid out every aspect of the deal and Holland simply said "OK". Long story short, none of know what was said on the phone and none of know who brought what terms to the table. So we gave up a chance to pick Jakob Chychrun to pick up Dennis Cholowski, Filip Hronek and unload Datsyuk's contract. Hopefully one of Cholowski or Hronek turn out better then Chychrun.

id be shocked if they made any move what so ever

Which one did you skip?

If a team and a player are dumb enough to get caught, sure there will be ramifications. I really doubt though that any team will actually get caught.

It ends at the same time as Holland's ends with Detroit. Coincidence eh?

"Done proving myself", "Move on", but then comes the "Nice try" instigator phrase. My point is you flip flopped on Nielsen. People were complaining about Nielsen's signing and you justified it by saying "meh, we needed a top 6 center". But months later you're talking about how the contract is all of a sudden "crap". I'm not talking about Holland and his other history or Matt Martin or whatever, I'm purely talking about Nielsen, his contract, and Holland's relation to the contract, the reason behind it and your initial response to it and your response now. You can backtrack all you want but saying "We needed a top 6 center" and then saying that the contract is crap after 5 months of hockey is exactly what it is: Hindsight bias. I mean you even said in your post on the previous page "I don't care about hindsight, but the contract is crap..". So I'm not actually pulling anything out, I'm just pointing out your own words lol. And the bigger point is - it's so easy to act like one knows better after 5 months as opposed to the day of the signing. What's cool is saying the contract term is crap the day of the signing (cough cough, called it)

Would love Duchene! Imagine getting Duchene and winning the draft lotto and having him and Patrick down the middle! having unrealistic expectations is what being a sports fan is all about.. geterr done kenny!

AA is now tied for 1st in the league in 5v5 goals with Ovechkin, Kane, Kucherov, Marner, and Atkninson. He's achieved this despite playing 200-300 minutes less than all 5 of those guys. I think he might be good.

I loved it!!! Yeah have to change it up sometimes.

If you want to keep him, trade him and then re-sign him in the offseason after the expansion draft.

Quote from Steve Yzerman: "Both Mr. and Mrs. Ilitch, as well as their entire family, have had an immeasurable impact on not only my career, but my life," Yzerman said in a statement. "Going back to the age of 18 when I arrived in Detroit, the guidance, generosity, concern and love Mr, Ilitch had always shown me and my family are things I will forever be grateful for. “I was extremely fortunate to have played my entire career for a man who's love of hockey and burning desire to win were the catalysts which drove the Detroit Red Wings to four Stanley Cup Championships after purchasing the team in 1982. “Mr. Ilitch has left an incredible legacy in baseball, hockey and Metropolitan Detroit. He will forever be remembered for all the ways he enriched our lives. Mike Ilitch will live on vividly in my mind and heart forever.”