GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Right now I'd have to say there won't be a 26th year in a row. We need to go with one goalie and cut bait with the other. It's gonna hurt the bottom line to let Jimmy go but he's the obvious choice. I'd say right now to tread water we need at LEAST two top four defensemen. A top line center is imperative. If it's still just Hank, Glendening. AA, and 6-8 minutes of Sheahan we're doomed offensively. We need a top six scoring winger to balance Larkin as well. I'd be willing to trade either or Nyquist or Tatar to get help. The contending teams are not playing as many kids as we are. They're great and all and very economic but at some point with a solid core of them you MUST mature the roster with leaders and guys who have won the wars and produce at playoff time and win their faceoffs and beat guys to loose pucks and yes, score powerplay goals. I'm ready for change and I'm ready for Mr. Holland to now live up to the company standard, of those much is given, much is expected. Mediocrity is the company standard now. What makes you think the Ilitch family is unhappy with Holland and these playoff performances? I haven't heard a peep out of them the last few years. Not like this is a trend. Early playoff exits are now a pattern. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lomekian 201 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Well that was a damp squib. Same problem as all year. And for the last few years. This team has had lots of skilled smart players but no goalscorers. Franzen has been a massive loss, despite the endless flack he used to get from the stupid, because for all his floaty streakyness, he ALWAYS put up points, was a consistent goal threat (if not a consistent scorer) and could both snipe from the outside or score in close. We have to pin our hopes on Mantha being that player going forward. Like last year, the wings deserved to win this series, being the better team in more games than not, but just couldn't solve Bishop (who was at his huge best tonight). Sad to see Pasha go like this, but like Z and K, he's not the player he was (despite still being one of our better guys). While I don't see a tank coming, I do think this is a seminal moment. Unless KH can somehow rustle up Stamkos or a Lucic in FA, I think its much more re-build and youth movement in earnest. While D, Z and K were at the level they showed last year and at times this year, it was always worth going for it, and hoping a hot goalie or a Franzen like emergence could get us deep into the playoffs. With Franzen done, Dats going and Hank and Kronner having clearly dropped off to support player level, the game changes for the wings. Unless they trade D's contract and hit a HR in FA. Oulette, AA, Larkin, Marchy and Mrazek will all be fixtures next year. I expect Mantha to be so soon enough, and I wouldn't be shocked to see Sproul and Pulky (who despite his flaws should have seen a lot more games this year, because the guy can score, and if he can learn to adapt to the NHL, he could be important going forward). Maybe not everyone's choice, but I hope Helm is willing to come back at a reasonable salary. We all know his limitations, but if a more in earnest youth movement can change the balance of the roster a little, he will remain a useful (and highly tradeable) piece Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NerveDamage 4,176 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Watching the Blues/Hawks game...Wings are so painfully away from either of these 2 teams. and StL kcking a** coming back a 2 goal deficit and taking it to OT Remember the two shots that hit the post ? Remember when the puck hit Bishop square in the collarbone? Edited April 22, 2016 by NerveDamage 1 derblaueClaus reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kickazz 5,459 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Remember when the puck hit Bishop square in the collarbone? Remember when Bishop was the half brother of King Kong? 1 MrazekFanBoy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Remember when we could actually score Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NerveDamage 4,176 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 5 roboturner, evilmrt, F.Michael and 2 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plopster 136 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Remember when pavel would bury those breakaway chances and kronwall was a verb? And McCarty was hardcore? 2 RedWingsRox and GoWings! reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Wing 1,521 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Watching the Blues/Hawks game...Wings are so painfully away from either of these 2 teams. Until they win the Blues have a glass jaw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nyquistfan14 489 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Would love it if we could somehow bring in stammer and backes up front while using Tatar + to bring in vatanen. Larkin- stamkos- Nyquist AA- backes- mantha Zetts- sheahan- pulk Jurco- glendening- Abby Also get rid of E and Howard somehow some way. DK- vatanen Smith- green Kronwall- marchy XO/Jensen/ sproul Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joesuffP 1,746 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Ya bishop was unbelievable Big free agent signing are a pipe dream Let's nurture Larkin cause the kid is the real deal... You can tell by the way he picks up his game in clutch moments Larkin and Mrazek are our two elite potential players with a lot of promising young men as well but I think we can bank on these two Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedWingsRox 614 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Now we have the honorable distinction of being the first team to have an Eulogy from Puck Daddy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Well, we'll get another #15 pick, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LeftWinger 4,963 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Just saw the GWG, sorry, SWG. So many things went wrong. A fan of the puck by a usually solid puck handling goalie, but mostly lazy play by Kronwall and Ericsson. Ericsson just looked at the puck and acted with no sense of urgency and Kronwall was late covering his man, and still no sense of urgency. E should've hit the guy, held him up a bit, Kronwall could've crosschecked the guy to the ice, held him, something. Puck dribbled over the line anyhow, a bit more disruption and maybe he gets even less on it. That series winning, err, losing goal epitomizes the year those two had and where their careers have gone. Pathetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtlantaHotWings 992 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 PK last night was good had they played like that in game 4 we would be talking about Saturday's game. PP OMG felt like we should have declined and said naaah just give us the faceoff in their zone. The dude that runs PP is Blash's boy from GR right? Time to say later bro you aren't a NHL level coach. I will now be in root against the teams I don't like Pens, Hawks etc and jump on the Islanders bandwagon as I have a soft spot for the underdog. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twopups 19 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Wings would of won this in 6 with Babcock. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twopups 19 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Zetterberg blaming himself in interview right now. He should, he has become useless and GAWD what a effin CONTRACT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Z and D for the C 712 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Like last year, the wings deserved to win this series, LOL, if you lose a series in 5 games you don't deserve to win anything. Being 'close' to winning a single game is one thing, but if you are 'close' in 5 games and lose 4 of those, you're not close to anything but a few rounds of golf. 1 Number19 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcom007 1,465 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 One upside to this year in the playoffs is looking at Mrazek's performance. Ignoring the last play that partially lead to a goal, he looked good in his three games and had no drop off games like last year, despite getting less help than he did before. The guy is clearly a real deal playoff goalie. Imagine how good he'd be if he had a real defense in front of him... 2 Number19 and roboturner reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yzerman19 334 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Well the Wings really deserved it!!! To be fait you can't at this level fail on 3 breakaways and not getting burn somehow. Adding to that an anemic powerplay, especially 5-3 none is actualy moving making it too easy for the Tampa bay's defense... What i sincerely hope this off season is... Firing the PP coach... Firing the Defense coach.... To me blashill is still a big question mark.... i haven't seen a lot of stunning coaching decisions from him.... He should be at some point by his action able to turn a game around. Anyway have a nice summer guys 1 AtlantaHotWings reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Would love it if we could somehow bring in stammer and backes up front while using Tatar + to bring in vatanen. Larkin- stamkos- Nyquist AA- backes- mantha Zetts- sheahan- pulk Jurco- glendening- Abby Also get rid of E and Howard somehow some way. DK- vatanen Smith- green Kronwall- marchy XO/Jensen/ sproul LOL. Now let's talk about what will actually happen. Nyquist - Zetterberg - Abdelkader Tatar - Richards - Larkin AA - Sheahan - Mantha Miller - Helm - Glendenning Kronwall - Ericsson DeKeyser - Green Smith - Marchenko Mrazek Howard Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the 2016-17 Detroit Red Wings. Edited April 22, 2016 by GMRwings1983 4 Rick D, LeftWinger, GoWings! and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 One upside to this year in the playoffs is looking at Mrazek's performance. Ignoring the last play that partially lead to a goal, he looked good in his three games and had no drop off games like last year, despite getting less help than he did before. The guy is clearly a real deal playoff goalie. Imagine how good he'd be if he had a real defense in front of him...sure ignore the play that cost the Wings the series in Pasha's last game. If that happened with Howard in net he would have been verbally crucified by some here. Mrazek needs to stop flying around and become a more positional sound goalie. If he does that he could become a solid starter if not, he'll bounce around backup and starter duties.What can you say lots of break always but no finish, a PP to forget and a defense which has Danny D. as the only solid defensive player. I don't care about the lame excuses of who deserved what, there are 2 facts: 1. Tampa played without Stralman and Stamkos 2. Tampa was a 1 line team and still finished the Wings in 5, imagine how this would have ended if they were healthy. Pasha's face reminded me on Lids after the Wings bow out to the Press Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
amato 3,210 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Well, we'll get another #15 pick, right? At least that worked out well for us last time..? Silver lining? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Wing 1,521 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Wings in 9! Gotta keep working hard. Can't get down after just four losses! 2 derblaueClaus and amato reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VM1138 1,921 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 sure ignore the play that cost the Wings the series in Pasha's last game. If that happened with Howard in net he would have been verbally crucified by some here. Mrazek needs to stop flying around and become a more positional sound goalie. If he does that he could become a solid starter if not, he'll bounce around backup and starter duties. What can you say lots of break always but no finish, a PP to forget and a defense which has Danny D. as the only solid defensive player. I don't care about the lame excuses of who deserved what, there are 2 facts: 1. Tampa played without Stralman and Stamkos 2. Tampa was a 1 line team and still finished the Wings in 5, imagine how this would have ended if they were healthy. Pasha's face reminded me on Lids after the Wings bow out to the Press Blaming Mrazek is like blaming Stuart for losing in...was it 2010? He played amazing, made one goof, and it shouldn't have mattered because we shouldn't have been in that position to begin with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frankgrimes 1,836 Report post Posted April 22, 2016 Blaming Mrazek is like blaming Stuart for losing in...was it 2010? He played amazing, made one goof, and it shouldn't have mattered because we shouldn't have been in that position to begin with. Well he should have stopped the gwg, period. Did he play well? Yes he did but so did Howard a lot of times and people still blamed him for giving up the gwg. So fair is fair. But you are right it doesn't even matter in the bigger context of the game because you can't win if you can't score a goal. Wings could have played for hours and wouldn't have been able to put one past Bishop .Real classy gesture how he talked to Pasha, the amount of respect players around the league have for this guy is unreal and so well deserved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites