11/15 GDT : Lightning 4 at Red Wings 3

[LeftWinger 5,132]

...and that's that. The back breaking goal that killed our momentum. Are we sure Howard wasn't in net?

[xault 272]

1 minute ago, LeftWinger said:

...and that's that. The back breaking goal that killed our momentum. Are we sure Howard wasn't in net?

 

1 minute ago, LeftWinger said:

...and that's that. The back breaking goal that killed our momentum. Are we sure Howard wasn't in net?

It honestly doesn't matter who in net. This team cannot win hockey games without a goalie stealing the game for them. You can't be a good team if you need your goalie to steal every game.

[NerveDamage 4,176]

1 minute ago, xault said:

 

It honestly doesn't matter who in net. This team cannot win hockey games without a goalie stealing the game for them. You can't be a good team if you need your goalie to steal every game.

tell that to Montreal

[GMRwings1983 8,803]

14 minutes ago, xault said:

 

It honestly doesn't matter who in net. This team cannot win hockey games without a goalie stealing the game for them. You can't be a good team if you need your goalie to steal every game.

This game was different, though.  We scored three goals.  Should have been enough to win.  

[joesuffP 1,746]

I hate watching Tatar play hockey and Nyquist isn't far behind him. These are the guys we count on to score right there and their consistently some of the worst skaters game after game. Bring some positives out there if you aren't scoring. They have nothing to add to this team right now

On D Dekeseyer is just not a good hockey player. Good skater and good stick but how does that justify giving this man the most minutes game after game. He can't play with the puck. You aren't a good defensmen if your entire game is based away from the puck. He was a fraud and is now exposed. Hype player got paid now we're screwed

Edited November 16, 2016 by joesuffP

[joesuffP 1,746]

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Edited November 16, 2016 by joesuffP

[wings_fanatic 677]

40 minutes ago, joesuffP said:

I hate watching Tatar play hockey and Nyquist isn't far behind him. These are the guys we count on to score right there and their consistently some of the worst skaters game after game. Bring some positives out there if you aren't scoring. They have nothing to add to this team right now

On D Dekeseyer is just not a good hockey player. Good skater and good stick but how does that justify giving this man the most minutes game after game. He can't play with the puck. You aren't a good defensmen if your entire game is based away from the puck. He was a fraud and is now exposed. Hype player got paid now we're screwed

I don't know what you watch but nyquist looks muchhhhh better than tatar. Tatar looks lost. With helm now out i see no reason to keep nyquist on that line. Give him more minutes by playing him with hank. They always play well together. Let tatar play on the 3rd line.

[joesuffP 1,746]

6 minutes ago, wings_fanatic said:

I don't know what you watch but nyquist looks muchhhhh better than tatar. Tatar looks lost. With helm now out i see no reason to keep nyquist on that line. Give him more minutes by playing him with hank. They always play well together. Let tatar play on the 3rd line.

I fancy myself a Nyquist fan. He's had some good games but he's supposed to be a leader and is falling well short. Tatar on the other hand has been a mess all season he brings no positives when he's off his game. I sighed every time he touched the puck tonight no exaggeration

[chaps80 1,591]

I had to stop watching in the 2nd because I had to go out, but looking at the score, it was a 4-3 loss. Seems like it could have went either way, so I dunno why there's all this doom and gloom in this thread. Was the team that bad? I see that the winning goal was scored with a minute left though. That sucks missing out on at least a point.

 

[LeftWinger 5,132]

2 hours ago, Euro_Twins said:

I'm at work, can't watch the game, but now we want him on the 2ND line?

Both lol 

Shots look pretty even  who's playing better? how does pee tar look?

 

No, but my point was, he was there, got a very nice assist, then for no apparent reason got put back on the 4th...if he produced where you had him, why move him down and put Abby in his place? This is what drives me nuts about Blashill.

"Hey Glenny, great play to pass the puck for the goal, super job! But it's not working, you'll be with Sheahan and Ott the rest of the night."

[Wheelchairsuperhero 1,453]

Mrazek had a gross game. I thought I heard he was supposed to be less aggressive now? Apparently not.

Wings weren't great, but they played well enough to win, that must feel like a tough loss for them.

[kylee 727]

Had a feeling we would lose after Mrazek misplayed the puck in the 1st. Dumb color commentary guy was like "You can't really blame Mrazek on that one" I thought, how about yes you can, why doesn't he stay in the net? 

[ami 273]

get rid of Mrazek, we shouldn't have signed him in the first place, trade him for Maple Leafs season ticket or two; get rid of Tatar and Nyquist quick, their value will only diminish from now on; fire blash and holland; and bring back Mr. and Mrs Ilitch; name that LCA Gordie Howe Arena.

f*** this team!

[kliq 3,763]

6 minutes ago, ami said:

get rid of Mrazek, we shouldn't have signed him in the first place, trade him for Maple Leafs season ticket or two; get rid of Tatar and Nyquist quick, their value will only diminish from now on; fire blash and holland; and bring back Mr. and Mrs Ilitch; name that LCA Gordie Howe Arena.

f*** this team!

Do you think that Ken Holland and Jeff Blashill own this team? Its funny how people think the Ilitch's have nothing to do with the direction of this team.

[ami 273]

1 minute ago, kliq said:

Do you think that Ken Holland and Jeff Blashill own this team? Its funny how people think the Ilitch's have nothing to do with the direction of this team.

It certainly feels this way, it you remember late 90s you know what I mean

and btw you cannot fire owner, so no I don't think either of those two owns the team. But Mr. Ilitch Jr does and he keeps them where they are for way too long...

[kliq 3,763]

11 minutes ago, ami said:

It certainly feels this way, it you remember late 90s you know what I mean

and btw you cannot fire owner, so no I don't think either of those two owns the team. But Mr. Ilitch Jr does and he keeps them where they are for way too long...

Ya I remember the 90's, those were my teenage years . Best time in my life hockey wise, I think any Wings fan under 40 would tell you that.

My comment was rhetorical, I didn't actually think you or others thought they were the owners.

My point is that people make it sound like Holland and Blashill are running this team and the Illitch's need to come in and save it. I think it is pretty safe to say that Ken Holland is operating based on the direction of his owner. I mentioned this is a previous post and I apologize if I sound repetitive, but last year when the Tigers sold players at the deadline it ended up costing DD his job as this reportedly pissed Mike Ilitch off, so if your mandate is to make the playoffs, keep the streak alive, never sacrifice the year at hand for the future, I'm not sure what else management can do.

With that being said, I am not happy with everything Holland and Blashill are doing. While I do think ownership is telling them to be active in UFA, and to make sure they make the playoffs, when it comes to signings like Ott and Miller, those are on Holland. I cant see Illitch butting in and say you need to sign Drew Miller or Steve Ott. 

Edited November 16, 2016 by kliq

[marcaractac 3,963]

7 hours ago, Crashnburnluder said:

I don't care what u say about Pete, he wasnr great. But TB on a b2b, lose Stamkos, no stralman, Boyle down for 10, cobrun misses time... And we still get out skates late 3rd, old legs, no heart... And miller on the ice ??? Absolute joke...

 

I know it seems like this team never starts skating until the third but in reality, it's just that the team we play end up sitting back on their lead. 

7 hours ago, brett said:

I'm a huge deke supporter but this dude went downhill so bad. Worst guy out there. Smith had a s*** game. Sproul was our best dman. We have no offense. Even with guys like nyquist Tatar abs guys that can score. Not getting it done. So what do we have? A broken ass team with a bunch of the same players. That's why vanek was a good addition. He can shoot and deflect shots where not many others can on the team. But how long must we wait until a move is made? The team is not going to improve with the current players and coach. 

 

Deke looks bad because he is forced into a role beyond what he is capable of. That's not on him. That's on Holland.

7 hours ago, HadThomasVokounOnFortSt said:

We suck. It's getting harder and harder to watch. 

 

Just imagine the draft pick we'll get next summer. It makes it easier to stomach. 

7 hours ago, joesuffP said:

I hate watching Tatar play hockey and Nyquist isn't far behind him. These are the guys we count on to score right there and their consistently some of the worst skaters game after game. Bring some positives out there if you aren't scoring. They have nothing to add to this team right now

On D Dekeseyer is just not a good hockey player. Good skater and good stick but how does that justify giving this man the most minutes game after game. He can't play with the puck. You aren't a good defensmen if your entire game is based away from the puck. He was a fraud and is now exposed. Hype player got paid now we're screwed

 

In the end, they are secondary scorers who need elite players to play with. We have none. 

 

In the end, this game had better been enough to keep Sproul in the lineup every night. 

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

8 hours ago, Euro_Twins said:

If Howard was in net he'd be crucified by now... just saying. 

Stop!....just saying.

[Hockeymom1960 5,107]

Wait, we lost by one goal?  

Please, some of you, step away from the ledge.

[LeftWinger 5,132]

9 hours ago, shocky2002 said:

Favorites: Tatar (far and away the best possession player on the roster), AA, Nyquist, Zetterberg on most nights, BSmith. Mantha

Despise Kronwall, Ericsson, Dekeyser, Miller, Glendening, Ott.

 

And I love this team. There isn't a single player on the 08 Red Wings roster that I hate... can't say the same today

Uh...you just said you hate Kronwall and Ericsson. 

[LeftWinger 5,132]

1 hour ago, marcaractac said:

I know it seems like this team never starts skating until the third but in reality, it's just that the team we play end up sitting back on their lead. 

Deke looks bad because he is forced into a role beyond what he is capable of. That's not on him. That's on Holland.

Just imagine the draft pick we'll get next summer. It makes it easier to stomach. 

In the end, they are secondary scorers who need elite players to play with. We have none. 

 

In the end, this game had better been enough to keep Sproul in the lineup every night. 

Just imagine the wasted player Holland will draft and the generational one he'll skip over because....Swedish.

[marcaractac 3,963]

2 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Just imagine the wasted player Holland will draft and the generational one he'll skip over because....Swedish.

 

If going Swedish means Timothy Liljegren, sign me up. 

[LeftWinger 5,132]

Would you take him 1st overall?

[marcaractac 3,963]

29 minutes ago, LeftWinger said:

Would you take him 1st overall?

 

 

Nope. But I'd take him second in a heartbeat. If Nolan Patrick is on the board, you take him. Regardless of needs. A prospect like him allows current players to become expendable to make trades to fix the defense. With Patrick and Liljegren off the table, I'd keep my fingers crossed for Foote.

In the end, we need depth down the middle as well. 

Edited November 16, 2016 by marcaractac

[Dabura 12,232]

Patrick or Liljegren would be a godsend. But, if we're being honest with ourselves, the Wings are likely picking in the 8-12 range. Which...meh.