Athanasiou Signed 1 year $1.4 mil

[krsmith17 7,191]

7 hours ago, MileHighWingsGuy said:

The problem isn't signing Daley. That was an excellent move. The problem is stockpiling worthless talent on overpaid contracts and never making a trade when needed. AA, Mantha and Larkin are the future. I'm not sure why we need to keep treating them all like garbage and telling them to leave if they don't fit Holland's crappy old world negotiating style. I hope AA signs for 2 years $3Mill per and Holland is forced to trade Sheahan or Nyquist.

Why?

[amato 3,210]

5 hours ago, Son of a Wing said:

Not sure where you're getting your information from but their 5 foreigner spots are currently taken up by Azevedo, Sekac, Lander, Ohtamaa, and now Klinkhammer. 

Stefan Elliot has nothing to do with it.

Maybe they cut him for klinkhammer but yeah, you're right.. looks like they're still at 5 of 5 foreigner spots used up after the cut and trade.

Hopefully the KHL only has a small window to make cuts; that'd be more telling of the AA situation from their end (barring another trade). Does anyone know if that's the case or not? 

 

[Juklitz 85]

In soviet Russia, everything´s possible (like you don´t follow tax rules, but tax rules follow you). I believe they can agree with other player to just terminate his contract to meet 5 foreigner limit. 

[amato 3,210]

6 minutes ago, Juklitz said:

In soviet Russia, everything´s possible (like you don´t follow tax rules, but tax rules follow you). I believe they can agree with other player to just terminate his contract to meet 5 foreigner limit. 

That's what I figured.. wishful thinking I suppose  

[Juklitz 85]

43 minutes ago, amato said:

wishful thinking I suppose

I´m still wishfully thinking it´s just a Ferris´s wet dream. 

[kickazz 5,459]

2 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

guys like AA don't get sponsorship deals

Why not? He's hyped up here. If he thinks he's worth $3million with minimal NHL experience then surely he can land sponsorship 

[ChristopherReevesLegs 7,022]

10 hours ago, Son of a Wing said:

Not sure where you're getting your information from but their 5 foreigner spots are currently taken up by Azevedo, Sekac, Lander, Ohtamaa, and now Klinkhammer. 

Stefan Elliot has nothing to do with it.

Not sure you understood me...

Their foreigner spots were taken up by Azevedo, Sekac, Lander, Ohtamaa, and Elliot

Then they cut Elliot and traded for Klinkhammer.

Now their foreigner spots are taken up by Azevedo, Sekac, Lander, Ohtamaa, and Klinkhammer

the Klinkhammer business is none-news for us because AK Bars went from 5/5 foreigner spots filled before the Klinkhammer deal, to 5/5 foreigner spots filled after the Klinkhammer deal. Essentially their situation has not changed, therefore I doubt their interest in AA has changed either. Maybe.

I hope that makes more sense. 

[AtlantaHotWings 1,124]

3 hours ago, kickazz said:

Why not? He's hyped up here. If he thinks he's worth $3million with minimal NHL experience then surely he can land sponsorship 

Forget getting sponsored in Russia. Why not get sponsored by a  Detroit business as a spokesman i.e a car dealership, casino (I get my Greek on @ Greektown Casino), or District Detroit. Then he makes up a bit of the $$ he is lacking in his hockey contract and whoever does the sponsorship gets paid by the Wings slush fund under the table as a pass through. 

Gotta get creative Kenny.....LOL

[Jacksoni 418]

2 hours ago, AtlantaHotWings said:

Forget getting sponsored in Russia. Why not get sponsored by a  Detroit business as a spokesman i.e a car dealership, casino (I get my Greek on @ Greektown Casino), or District Detroit. Then he makes up a bit of the $$ he is lacking in his hockey contract and whoever does the sponsorship gets paid by the Wings slush fund under the table as a pass through. 

Gotta get creative Kenny.....LOL

I agree with this. Given the cap, you have play the angles to get ahead. Perhaps a donation to Andreas's grandma using an anonymous third party. I am not being ironic.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

17 hours ago, DickieDunn said:

he plays there for $3 mil for a year, Holland either clears cap space from him next year or trades him, or he plays another year or two for similar money.  He's still ahead by over a million dollars.

2 years at $1.9 Mil,+ $2.8 (at a guess) the following year=$6.6 mil

1 year in Russia +2 years at $2.5 mil in the NHL=$8 mil

2 years in Russia at $3 mil/year+ 1 year at $2.8 mil=$8.8 mil

3 years in Russia at $3 mil a year-$9 mil.

This is, of course, assuming he does well there and is able to get a contract around $2.8 mil when he comes back.  There is no way he's worse off playing a year in Russia assuming he plays well.

I think it would all really depend on what AA's 3rd deal would be worth. Your guess of 2.8 seems low to me. But I know you had to put a number under the 3 mill KHL offer to make the argument that he'd make more in the long term by going there for a year. 

As a guy who score 18 goals in 64 games, that's on pace for 23 over 82. If that's who he is, even without improving, I don't think you're going to get that for 2.8 when he's up for free agency. But, anyway, I think most expect him to improve his game and if he's in line for a 3rd contract around the size of Nyquist or Tatar's then there's no question that he'd make more over the 3 years by staying in the NHL. 

As for the amount of the bridge deal - depending on whether it's right now as oppose to after a year in the KHL - I think it's very questionable that you grant him an increase of 500 000 thousand in your calculations. Would the Red WIngs really raise the offer based on results of his year in Russia? Not exactly sure, but I doubt it.

Edited September 8, 2017 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[Shaman 713]

1 hour ago, PavelValerievichDatsyuk said:

I think it would all really depend on what AA's 3rd deal would be worth. Your guess of 2.8 seems low to me. But I know you had to put a number under the 3 mill KHL offer to make the argument that he'd make more in the long term by going there for a year. 

As a guy who score 18 goals in 64 games, that's on pace for 23 over 82. If that's who he is, even without improving, I don't think you're going to get that for 2.8 when he's up for free agency. But, anyway, I think most expect him to improve his game and if he's in line for a 3rd contract around the size of Nyquist or Tatar's then there's no question that he'd make more over the 3 years by staying in the NHL. 

As for the amount of the bridge deal - depending on whether it's right now as oppose to after a year in the KHL - I think it's very questionable that you grant him an increase of 500 000 thousand in your calculations. Would the Red WIngs really raise the offer based on results of his year in Russia? Not exactly sure, but I doubt it.

And Nyquist was a guy who scored on pace for 40 goals, that's who he was. Until other teams planned for him. Until he breaks 20 goals in a season he's not a 20 goal scorer. Until he can show he can score at the same pace with more minutes, there's no way to know what will happen in the future.

[PavelValerievichDatsyuk 1,935]

42 minutes ago, Shaman said:

And Nyquist was a guy who scored on pace for 40 goals, that's who he was. Until other teams planned for him. Until he breaks 20 goals in a season he's not a 20 goal scorer. Until he can show he can score at the same pace with more minutes, there's no way to know what will happen in the future.

That's why I wrote the "ifs" in my post.

Edited September 9, 2017 by PavelValerievichDatsyuk

[Dabura 12,232]

3 minutes ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

Do you truly believe Nyquist is better than AA?

At this time, Nyquist is the better player. At the very least, he's the more proven player.

The jury is out on Athanasiou. He has a lot to prove.

[Shaman 713]

2 hours ago, Jonas Mahonas said:

At some point in your spectating of hockey, you can see that one player is better than another.  Do you truly believe Nyquist is better than AA?  I think Zetterberg is the only player the Wings have with a better skillset than AA.  Paying AA Glendening money is a fricking joke.

 

Thats Glendogs career stat line.  He gets 1.85 mil per.

Yes, Nyquist right now is far better. In 10 years I be surprised if AA surpassed Nyquist's points total. Teams can adjust to speed (literally look at Larkin, who is a better player than AA), AA doesn't have the tools to adjust. Nyquist, and I am not his biggest fan, at least had the tools to adjust when teams started planning for him and is still good for 50 points a year.

[kliq 3,763]

Wow do people overrate AA. The kid is good, and I believe he has a ton of potential, but from saying he has a ceiling of 90 points to him currently being the 2nd best player on our team, people really do take it to extreme's.

Edited September 9, 2017 by kliq

[MileHighWingsGuy 178]

Nyquist better than AA....really?? Far better? Good Lord what game do you guys watch? A small scoring forward who can't score is better than AA?? OK I guess you'll be content when he walks and you watch Nyquist do nothing again this year. 

[Shaman 713]

39 minutes ago, MileHighWingsGuy said:

Nyquist better than AA....really?? Far better? Good Lord what game do you guys watch? A small scoring forward who can't score is better than AA?? OK I guess you'll be content when he walks and you watch Nyquist do nothing again this year. 

Yes, by far. AA would have to have a 40 goal season this year to do what Nyquist did at his age. And the reason why Nyquist can't score is because the league adjusted to him. They forced him to the perimeter and he responded by becoming pass first. AA hasn't shown either 1 that he can score at that rate or 2 that he can adjust to the league adjusting to him. Until he does both, Nyquist being a 50 point player is more than AA has done. And, given his skill set, likely will be better than AA in the long term as well. 

[krsmith17 7,191]

7 hours ago, kliq said:

Wow do people overrate AA. The kid is good, and I believe he has a ton of potential, but from saying he has a ceiling of 90 points to him currently being the 2nd best player on our team, people really do take it to extreme's.

Yup, this for sure. But then, like always, we have others on the complete opposite side of the spectrum as well. "AA sucks", " no big loss if he goes to the KHL", "not an important piece to the future", etc, etc. When the reality is, as of right now, he's a highly skilled player that hasn't yet proven that he can produce regularly in a top 6 role. Will he if given the opportunity? I think so. But until he's given the opportunity, it's still an unknown. I also think it's possible that he could develop into a better player than Nyquist (this coming from one of Nyquist's biggest fans), but to say he already is, is flat out wrong.

Athanasiou has a ton of potential. I hope he reaches that potential as a Red Wing.

[Jacksoni 418]

10 hours ago, kliq said:

Wow do people overrate AA. The kid is good, and I believe he has a ton of potential, but from saying he has a ceiling of 90 points to him currently being the 2nd best player on our team, people really do take it to extreme's.

I most certainly agree with this. However there is another bad dimension to this, which is that we only have 2-3 guys with more potential than this 'greek lightning', which in a sense brings him up as a prime subject.

This was unheard of some years ago but our roster is in such a bad shape that he is one of the hopes for our future when in the past he would have been protected and not eagerly awaited for, albeit clearly noticed for what he might be possibly be doing in the future.

He might crack, he might be a bust. But it's what we got. Can't let him go.

 

[kliq 3,763]

3 hours ago, krsmith17 said:

Yup, this for sure. But then, like always, we have others on the complete opposite side of the spectrum as well. "AA sucks", " no big loss if he goes to the KHL", "not an important piece to the future", etc, etc. When the reality is, as of right now, he's a highly skilled player that hasn't yet proven that he can produce regularly in a top 6 role. Will he if given the opportunity? I think so. But until he's given the opportunity, it's still an unknown. I also think it's possible that he could develop into a better player than Nyquist (this coming from one of Nyquist's biggest fans), but to say he already is, is flat out wrong.

Athanasiou has a ton of potential. I hope he reaches that potential as a Red Wing.

100% agree with this.

[gcom007 1,465]

12 hours ago, kliq said:

Wow do people overrate AA. The kid is good, and I believe he has a ton of potential, but from saying he has a ceiling of 90 points to him currently being the 2nd best player on our team, people really do take it to extreme's.

AA ain't no star. Not even close. That's the sad part. We're in this s***ty of a situation with an above-average prospect who could maybe be a 40-50 point guy one day if things pan out extremely well? These are sad times.

That said, tough to argue still that he's not one of our better prospects. Again, sad times...

1 hour ago, Jacksoni said:

I most certainly agree with this. However there is another bad dimension to this, which is that we only have 2-3 guys with more potential than this 'greek lightning', which in a sense brings him up as a prime subject.

This was unheard of some years ago but our roster is in such a bad shape that he is one of the hopes for our future when in the past he would have been protected and not eagerly awaited for, albeit clearly noticed for what he might be possibly be doing in the future.

He might crack, he might be a bust. But it's what we got. Can't let him go.

 

Exactly. You can like the guy or think little of him, but he's one of our best young players on a team that doesn't have many promising guys. It's a sad state to be in, but you can't put yourself in a position where you're willing to let guys like AA and Mrazek head out of town. We cannot afford to give up on our promising prospects that easily, and again, it scares the s*** out of me that in one summer, we've realistically had to deal with the potential of losing both. I'm completely over defending Holland at this point. The guy is bordering on pure cap incompetence.

[kliq 3,763]

9 minutes ago, gcom007 said:

AA ain't no star. Not even close. That's the sad part. We're in this s***ty of a situation with an above-average prospect who could maybe be a 40-50 point guy one day if things pan out extremely well? These are sad times.

Well, that's a bit of a stretch. If he was a legit star, we would likely not be in this mess. The fact that he's a good prospect wanting to be paid like a very good prospect is the issue.

[detroitsociety 0]

Interesting

Edited September 17, 2017 by detroitsociety

[frankgrimes 1,836]

AA basically has 1 asset which is tremendous speed and he is still young enough to maybe witness a deep run in the distant future but the guy doesn't seem to have any defensive abilities so he will never be a reliable 2 way player. 

Saying he is already better than Nyquist is wrong Nyquist to me is the most dangerous pure goal scorer on the team right now but the league has long adjusted to him so it's much harder to do  it regular. 

The NHL teams also planned for Larkin and he has yet to figure out how to adjust his game, the same is going to happen with AA stopping him is not that difficult keep the guy on the outside and force him to shoot his release is not that good. 

With that being said this whole saga just proves that the Wings are having the wrong priorities. Can't or don't want to sign him fine the trade the guy and get a pick or else sign him. The days of young guys signing low ball offers are over maybe the Wings front office needs to learn that the hard way. 

 

[DickieDunn 2,571]

AA is also young enough to learn to be more than a one trick pony, assuming he has a good coach.  Playing a year in the KHL away from Blashidiot might be good for him.