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http://powerscouthockey.com/blog/measuring-impact-nhl-fights-momentum-and-scoring-well-potential-coachs-strategy This recently published study was done to see if fighting really does impact the momentum of the game, the guy who conducted it has a few University degrees and is an economics major so hes good with data. They used the rate of shots on goal after a fight as a way to measure momentum, they decided this was the best way to quantify what you visually see on the ice and call momentum. Its not perfect but when I tihnk of a team with a tonne of momentum, shots on goal and maybe puck possession to an extenet is what I would call it. I think they used a good metric here. They found that in over 75% of games after a fight, at least one team recieved a boost in their momentum, this is short term momentum taken over a 5 minute period. Basically, a boost that gets a teams head out of its ass if theyre playing poorly. Appleby was on hockey central at noon and said that a poor period for a team would usually be around 4 shots on goal while the average is about 10. The teams that were having poor periods and not getting many shots on goal received the biggest boost by far. Basically, its saying that if a team is playing well a fight may give a small boost, no boost or the other team may get the boost BUT when a team is playing like s***, a fight will usually give a pretty big boost to the team. Earlier this year when Abdelkader fought Lappierre in Vancouver is a prime example of this, the wings got a big boost and played much better after it woke them up. Games like last night where the team was flat against the Isles is a perfect example of why adding a scrappy player like a Tim Jackman or Prust would be perfect for this team to wake the skill up and keep going. I know the whole momentum aspect of fighting is not accepted around here by a lot of people, but now that it was quantified and studied has anyone changed their stance on replacing redundancy in the bottom 6 for a guy who could provide this type of spark on a consistent basis?

I predict they will play better tonight, vs. Yoties.

Heads up folks! Torres plays for Coyotes now! esteef

No. Teams with an enforcer in the line-up have better games for five minutes 75% of the time following a fight if they were doing poorly before the fights. Or, for the namby-pamby panty-waists out there: If the Wings ever had a day when they weren't playing well (also called "playing the Islanders"), a fight might help them for 1/12 of the game 3/4 of the time we actually do it, which translates into an average of 2.5 minutes per season as the team stands at this point.

I apparently haven't been paying attention, but what happened to Crosby again? Is he back to crying about his concussions?

The first available big North American boy who fights.

If the league wants to take away head hits, then don't punish a guy for protecting himself when a guy is about to run him and is going high... I have zero problem with what Marchand did... EDIT - added video for clarity... http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D5GN2cFZ1oMA&v=5GN2cFZ1oMA&gl=US

After the debacle last night I expect them to come out and play hard tomorrow.

Trade him for Lebda, Williams, Ward, Krupp, and Jiri Slgr please.

I think it is hilarious how those who are against dressing a scrapper disregard arguments that go against theirs. I actually started a thread that illustrated the Red Wings winning % in games which a FM was incurred - but it was locked and deleted. I just wish people would realize there is a difference between guys who can scrap, and "goons". They are not the same thing.

He's lazy, he sucks, and he's worse than Franzen because he doesn't even float.

Carman's back? Now all we gotta do is find Titanium2, Micah, Eva, Lidstromboli, EZBAKE, and convince the mods to let Mindfly back on and the whole crew will be here!

I agree. We need to sign some bearded fella who fights.

Can you ever construct a post without talking down to someone? You make strong points, but ruin them by coming across as your opinion is the final say on any matter. Sure, the Red Wings have bad games. No one is denying that. If you don't believe the Red Wings have a knack for playing down to opponents however, then I don't know what else to say. They have done it every season fairly frequently since 2008. I feel last night was an example of this and fatigue is an excuse. The Red Wings had enough energy to play hard after falling behind to Chicago and that came a night after 40 minutes of intense hockey in Toronto. The schedule is tough no doubt, but they had no desire to work hard against the Islanders. Fatigue doesn't cause you to give up a ton of odd-man rushes or turn the puck over -- that's lack of focus and something that plagued the Red Wings the entire road trip, not just in New York. Their attention to detail defensively was poor the past four games especially at the start of games where fatigue really shouldn't be a factor. I saw more emotion from Babcock applauding a timeout than any guy on the ice.

I like Babs, but whenever I see a good team lose to a bad one like this, it falls on the shoulders of the coach.

Can we swap coaches with St. Louis? I think Babcock's message is getting old.

What? He was just as visible as Mule!

I'd love it if the site wasn't so full of condescending assholes who feel as if they are superior to everyone else with their opinions. If you don't agree fine, but feel free to leave the arrogant attitude out of your response.

I don't know what's funnier... The fact that they just dropped the puck, or the fact the Blues somehow didn't get it out of the zone... Instead the D forces it up the boards where the players were just huddled... I wish they would have turned it over and got scored against....

Before anyone else even chimes in with the thought too - Marchand didn't NEED to do this to protect himself, but if Salo wasn't so determined in creaming him, he could have moved or gotten low as well... He only got "clipped" because he was trying and determined to make a high hit...

I'll just summarize the responses for you here: Crymson: "NO! The Wings are perfect and Holland had nice hair! They do not need a tough guy." Konnan: "You're all just xenophobic euro-haters. They score plenty of points with 'soft-euros'." Various: "Fighting in hockey is useless. You should just watch UFC, you don't even like hockey." Holland: "The right deal just wasn't available, but we're confident that some players will take that next step..."

does it matter who is among victims? will it make a crime more or less vicious if it was a truck driver?