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There goes our chance at a Stanley Cup.

Ott on Vancouver rumors: "Yeah, I'm an *******, sure. But am I a Canucks-grade *******? Not sure."

That's called being a prick? Well, I'm glad you didn't read my posts 4 or 5 years ago. I just think you're dead wrong on your outlook towards the fight in the 3rd period. So do most people here apparently. Because he knows he's got immunity. He knows he won't be traded because he's played well in the playoffs before. Basically, he feels like he doesn't have to try every shift. Unlike a guy like Miller, who knows he has to bust his ass to keep his spot on the team.

Can we please do something with Franzen? Fire him up somehow or possibly trade...this guy looks pathetic out there.

People blaming Quincy get over yourselves. The ENTIRE top 2 lines are playing like CRAP. Once again Howard and Nick are our best players while our top 2 lines are terrible. Babcock, that powerplay is GARBAGE... how about using the 3rd line on the powerplay... god knows they deserve it and they might just get something done. On a side note, towards to teh end of the period you coudl tell Hank was really picking up his game trying to get the Wings back in it (notice how he looked better when Franzen was taken off of his line...)

what this game needs is more dangle:

Given that Ott is a douchebag, the Flyers and Canucks seem like the best fit.

I would lose Hudler for Parise in a heart-beat. And I wouldn't' want Hudler for 5 million, either. But some people act like Hudler is worthless which is clearly not the case. Even if Zetterberg weren't having an off year Hudler would still be 3rd in scoring. Nothing to sneeze at. Until we get someone who is a bona-fide improvement over Hudler (Parise) we need to keep him. Don't trade him for a bottom 6er is basically what I'm saying.

Hey, if you guys want a team to win games and fights...........well, then go be a Boston fan.

Pathetic period. With that said, it should only be 1-0 because I do not know how the hell there was not a penalty called on the Avs before their 2nd goal... Quincy was CLEARLY tripped! Regardless the Wings level of play was pathetic and unacceptable. For the love of God Babcock CHANGE THE FREAKIN LINES!! Franzen is useless and ever since Hank has been stuck with him he has went back to playing bad. Franzen can play on the 4th line for all I care right now. I want Fil and Hank together with Bert on the top line. Hopefully the Wings can get going in the 2nd and hopefully the refs start doing their jobs.

I know I've never liked Franzen, but now its bordering on hate. He seems non existent. And god do I hope we make some kinda move for some scoring.

That and Franzen is pretty much useless, Bertuzzi only plays as well as he has with Dats and Z isn't showing the spark he has. Cleary doesn't belong on the second line either.

Our top 6 is so sick without pavs

Time to reward the players who are actually working their asses off, and sit the ones who are not. The third line should not be out performing the 1st.

Here's an idea on lines for the second: Bert-Z-Fil Miller-Helm-Abby Franzen-Cleary-Hudler Holm-Emmer-Murs edit: yes, in that order....Helm deserves better! Franzen and Hudler deserve the Iron Maiden...

It's becoming quite glaring that without Pav this team needs some help up front. We are pretty pedestrian without him. It's like a really s***ty domino effect without him out there. Franzen and Bert are lost and Z clearly has not chemistry with them. Cleary has to play on the 2nd line where its obvious he should be on the 3rd with Helm and Miller so Abby can go down and center what would be a pretty good 4th line with Homer and whatever other guy out of Mursak, Emmerton or whoever wants to join them.

True, it is slump-time of the year. And after such a long winning streak at home a letdown was bound to happen.. kinda like a deflated balloon, it takes some time to get the energy back after the streak ends. Still would like to see more from Franzen, Zetterberg, Filppula, Hudler etc.

Its a long season. They were bound to have a letdown eventually. Better now than the playoffs.

really hope Holland at least tries to get some more scoring, or at least some sandpaper before the deadline... everyone still looks lost w/o Pavs and we can't afford to slide with the Blues right behind us

Still waiting for Mursak to prove something...I was more impressed with Conner when he was up...we have the worst 4th line in the NHL it was better when it had Miller and Abdelkader on it. Reunite Helm Cleary and Conner please. Dump Emmerton and Mursak.

not sure if this is correct but if so, why post it? i think this guy is honestly a wings fan but we see some "new" posters asking about this stuff sometimes and who knows, might be opposition fans that plan to pull the fire alarm there at 4 AM before game day....

Agreed. Its amazing how undervalued he is. Hes got like 6 points less than nash at 5 mill less. People just knock him for his size but he has been winning battles all over the place this season.

Yeah, who needs his 18 goals? What a scrub. 2nd in team scoring 18 goals, no less.

It seems like it would be unlikely he was ever on it, other than for part of a deal for someone like Nash. Unless it's someone of that caliber I dont' know why they'd trade Brown.