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Like I said earlier, the result makes everything look worse. Think Bertuzzi on Moore. If McCarty beat Lemieux into a stretcher with those punches (which I'm sure he wouldn't have minded doing), the entire situation would be looked upon differently. Instead of seeing it as a great hockey memory, a lot of people would see it as another instance of hockey brutality with a tragic result. Also, remember Weber ramming Zetterberg's head in the glass. If Zetterberg was taken away on a stretcher, I can see Weber getting 10 games out of that. Instead, he got s***. Here, we have gloved punches which seriously hurt a player. We see gloved punches all the time that don't do nearly as much damage, if at all. I do think Thornton should be suspended, but this incident wouldn't even be on the news if Orpik didn't get hurt so badly.

So pathetic - the NHL is reviewing Neal's "kneeing" incident within the rule for kneeing? How is this any different that a deliberate elbow to the head blindside? So what if it was a knee. Should be an in person hearing with over 5 games suspension. He will get 2 for a dirtier play than most - a lot of head shots can be unintentional and end up being penalized a lot worse.

You think you could knock off the baiting, it's obnoxious?

So should Neal then because he intended to injure.

Why didn't anyone go after #87 at the 1:57 mark for slew footing Marchand? Oh yeah, because he took his ***** ass off the ice shorty after... You can see the video in better clarity and a slightly different angle at NHL.com ( http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=694881&navid=nhl:topheads ). You can see Crosby trip up Marchand right before the knee to the head by Neal, then like the good captain he is heads to the bench as soon as he gets a hint of an ensuing scrum. You'll find more guts in a piece of roadkill. This whole ordeal was a mess and I'm glad nobody got seriously injured, but let's give credit where it's due.

Getzlaf's terrible 'stache makes the whole thing even worse.

As would I, and I'd even do a better job with the toilets than Conklin, and Hudler wouldn't have needed to remind me about the stairs, either.

He's got better memory than I do: I'd forgotten he was ever on the team!

I think you're just seeing what you want to see. Aaaaaaand the stats back it up Teams are worse on back to backs, especially on the road. And the Wings were one of the better back to back teams......

My job allows us to read at our desks when things get slow, and as such I've been reading the Song of Ice and Fire (Game of Thrones) series. The book series (as I'm sure many of you know) is fantastic, and has had me REALLY wanting to play a game that was in the same genre as ASOIAF... So, after being pretty much severely burned out on Skyrim in June, I finally swung back around and pulled it out of the box again. Still had a few things to finish up in Dawnguard, and still have the civil war to finish, and several other miscellaneous quests. Even after all this time, this game is STILL lights-out. The only other game I've ever spent this much time in was Final Fantasy X.

For what its worth: http://www.capgeek.com/buyout-calculator/?player_id=812&buyout_y=2014&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15 I'm assuming that means he is not a compliance buyout and instead we'll be on the hook for the following cap-hits if we buy Weiss out in June: 2014-15: $2,108,333 2015-16: $608,333 2016-17: $608,333 2017-18: $2,608,333 2018-19: $1,708,333 2019-20: $1,708,333 2020-21: $1,708,333 2021-22: $1,708,333 Overall, not bad, especially since the cap will likely rise in the coming years. Then again, it probably looks so "good" because this season we are accustom to paying Tootoo $1.9M in the minors, similar with Eaves, another $1.75M for an empty Cleary #71 sweater floating around, and $3M for Samuelsson....

Ha. Not when we're playing against teams playing a back to back.

Agreed. And forwards who move the puck well are referred to as play-makers. But getting back to Helm. He’s definitely not a play-making forward, But after Datsyuk and Zetterberg, so far this year, he’s been the third best “possession” forward IMO. Meaning he’s integral in moving the puck forward into the offensive zone, hanging on to the puck, and making offence happen. I think that Crymson’s original statement about our top 3 puck moving forwards being out is mostly accurate regardless of how we define Helm’s style of play. edit to add: Ultimately, by definition, DeKeyser fits the bill, and his absence hurts possibly even more than Helm. Captain Obvious here, I know.

I've been a big Weiss booster, but I'm not sure anymore. He was brutally lazy and bad last night. I don't know what happened to him but his old compete level is just gone. I'm really wondering what the deal is. I smell a buyout coming, compliance or not. If you can't get up to play your old team I don't know what to say.

Weiss will be bought out if this kind of play continues. Sammy, Weiss, and Cleary are all big mistakes on behalf of Holland. Maybe Babs plays them together to remind him...lol

@HackswithHaggs: Shawn Thornton in near tears after game: "I made a mistake. I can't say I'm sorry enough times. That's all I can say right now" #BruinsTalk "I made a mistake and slew footed a guy and then punched his face a few times" Really? Both Thornton and Neal were seriously out of line, and I hope they get anally penetrated with fines and suspensions. And just an honest question to those questioning why Orpik was so hurt--have you ever been clipped on the sweet spot? It's instant lights out, which would understandably lead to precautionary measures involving a stretcher regardless of whether or not there were long lasting effects from the hit. Let's not blame the victims here. There were bulls*** moves on both sides, both of which should be rightly punished. No excuses.

All I have to say about this one is that when Hammer Hands gets your only goal, you done played like ass. If by alien you mean a giant turd nug, then yeah, there's an alien between Q's ears.

Wow. Some of the responses in this thread just... *shakes head*

Holland won't buy out Franzen just to use his last buyout because he's not retarded. When it's game 7 in the third period Babcock will want Franzen on the ice a lot more than Alfredsson. Cause you know, he's smart. He doesn't hold grudges against players for 3 years because he didn't have an unbelievable playoff run 3 years in a row

First time I read this I laughed...but then I realized it wasn't a joke...

Ya I agree Tatar and nyquist doing all the work while he floats is a good combination as long as he floats to the right spot...

I can live with a strain or sprain. At least it's nothing permanent. Has anyone wondered if the next two players to be injured once Z returns will hurt their knees and toes? The injury report would read: Pavel (head) Helm and DeKeyser (shoulders) Player X (knees and toes) Player Y (knees and toes)...

The stuff that he said about his time in Columbus made it seem like he likes to blame others and make excuses for why he isn't playing. After reading that I had a harder time believing his side of the story of his time in Detroit. I also don't remember him standing out when he played. But who knows.

Babcock buries people faster than Triple-H

I don't even know what to say anymore. They have one amazing week of wins. Now a plague of injuries. The Grand Rapids Griffins aren't gonna have anyone left on their roster by the time the Wings are done with them