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Ha its acceptable to assume every red wing goalie during that era fought Roy.

I'm sure he can. And to be honest, despite his projections, I don't think he'll be completely limited to the fourth line in the NHL. His passing is underrated, and he's got pretty good hands in close. He's got some offensive upside because of this. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think he'll be a top six guy or anything, but I also don't think he couldn't produce on the third line eventually. I mean, I never thought Abby had any offense in him and look at him now. I think the important thing for Callahan is that he's got a good frame (he's bigger than he's listed on the Griffins website IMO), he's physically and mentally tough, he works really hard, AND he's not a dummy. He understand the game, and how to get better. I certainly think he could steal Andersson's spot. He's just got to get the opportunity, and do the things Babs likes. Andersson has a job because Babs' trusts him to be responsible defensively. If Callahan gets his chance and can do that, PLUS be physical and produce a little bit, he'll make the team next year.

Chris Chelios was notorious for hitting people in the face with his stick. Come off it everybody. You want to talk about "old time hockey"? Here you go. Stick work. As old timey as it gets.

good article on Bert jr. http://www.todaysslapshot.com/nhl-prospects-2/detroit-red-wings-find-another-gem-in-tyler-bertuzzi/

Is that what he's doing?

SOMEONE DARES TO INCITE MY WRATH?!?!? I hereby ban all of you from Hampus Melen arena. Favor can be curried (I prefer coconut) by saying 27 Our Hampuses and 984 Hail Melens.

Unlike Mike McKee. He's so underrated.

My least favorite part of trade deadline/free agency you (nobody) asked? Idiots speculating on asking prices and inflating the s*** out of them. Case in point: George Malik (dummy) makes a fairly reasonable assertion that "the Red Wings would have to pay a inter-division premium" to get Cody Franson from Toronto. Ok, sure. How much George? Well, the regular asking price seems to be hovering around a second round pick and (maybe) a prospect. So George, of course, speculates that it will take a 1st, and a roster player OR a "prospect or two". Elsewhere, Khan speculates that Toronto could refuse to trade with Detroit, so that the latter will lose early in the playoffs, and in doing so make Toronto (a non playoff team) a better option for Babcock in the offseason. Because Brendan Shanahan would prioritize making someone else's team worse over making his team better. And because losing early in the playoffs is somehow worse than not making them. And because Babcock is clinically insane. And Helen St. James thinks it'll take Tatar to land Myers. And Ansar Khan thought Matt Niskanen would get close to 7 million per. And every single speculated trade involving the Red Wings starts with Mantha, and a 1st. Stupid.

As much as non love Dreger get here: Seems expensive price for kane IMO

And this is probably the reality of what he's going to command. If Toronto really is starting at a 1st + prospect, and teams are (likely) offering a 2nd rounder, they're likely to meet halfway. If that means a 1st or a 2nd + good prospect, then Detroit's going to have to toss out a 2nd + Ouellet/Pulkkinen/Athanasiou to compete with some of other offers out there. I don't think all of those guys have the exact same value, but I think they're in the same ballpark. Not our highest end guys, and not players most fans would be comfortable giving up. I'm not sure I pull the trigger on that - meh. The trade deadline has my love and hate. Edit: If moving Smith for Franson was possible, I would rather go that route. I'm not sure how much interest Toronto would have in Smith, though (if they're looking for picks and prospects). Guess we'll have to see.

I don't agree with this at all. I think that no team can be successful if they can't draft and develop, but I'd hardly say that's sufficient for building a championship caliber team. Look at the two teams in the finals last year. Martin St. Louis, Rick Nash, Derrick Brassard, Brad Richards, Anton Stralman, Benoit Pouliot, Justin Williams, Jeff Carter, Marian Gaborik, Robyn Regehr, Mike Richards, and Jarret Stoll were all drafted and developed elsewhere and contributed SIGNIFICANTLY to their teams' success. In other years, the opposite is probably true of the two teams in the finals. I honestly don't believe there's one right way to build a contender. I think Holland's way works for Holland, because he and his team are REALLY good at developing players (so it's usually good to keep them). But I don't think hanging on to your own prospects and picks would help Edmonton, Calgary, Columbus, Ottawa, etc. much. Because those teams are awful at developing their own talent.

The deadline is quickly becoming a "generally" unreliable option for improving a team. I say "generally" because although 16 teams make the playoffs, only a few teams a year get a real ugrade at the deadline. Same thing can be said for UFA time in early July. More and more it seems like Holland's right: the only reliable way to build your team and the only way you're not at the mercy of other GMs, agents, supply and demand, etc, is to draft and develop from within.

Honestly, I think he's staying. Some of his quotes lately (in the NHL.com article) have reflected a sense of optimism regarding the current roster, and the future of some of the younger guys. More than anything, I think Babcock wants to win. If he believes he can win with this team (which seems more likely now than ever), he's not going anywhere. I also thought his quote about the Stadium Series was a bit telling:

I figured something close to this. He's basically the net front presence down there from what I've seen, but I've only been checking out games more recently. I'm wondering if he could tweak his game to suit our 4th line, as I know it would be a change from what he's doing down there. I know Detroit's got a lot of depth at forward right now, but I'd love to see a 4th line of Miller-Glendening-Callahan. At the very least, I still think he's an upgrade over Andersson.

Ya know what... Protect yourself first. Big gorrilla coming at you like that. I thought Mcquaid might have been near his head a bit. Gotta get your stick up. Not condoning the cross check to the throat but you have to protect yourself

You got me. damn you, lack of proofreading.

And that is Truculence

Sweet, I have Roussel in my line-up tonight!

& only 15 of which are states

Not if it's country fried

Remember when he said "I want to hang myself" clearly depression caused by post concussion syndrome. Plus I bet he needs the money :-p

I've got no skin in the game. I'd drive a golf cart to work as long as Detroiters built it.

When I was a kid, I had a t-shirt depicting Calvin and Hobbes peeing on a Ford Truck logo. It proves, at the very least, how the Calvin, Hobbes, and Ford hierarchy shakes out.