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Make sure you lowball this one Kenny...

Hell no!

If McDavid was smart he'd take less so they can continue to build a really solid team around him. Be contenders for years.

McDavid has definitely had an enormous effect on the team's situation, but it really wasn't just 1 player added. Among others, in the last 2 years, they've added coach Todd Mclean and Draisaitl, Larsson, Maroon, Lucic, Kassian, Sekera, Talbot, Letestu, Benning, Russell, Nurse - It's maybe more than half the team is new. The question is how much big contracts to McDavid (and Draisaitl) will make them lose this supporting cast. They might not be able to keep RNH or re-sign Maroon and who knows who else. I've kind of change my perspective on it, though, since I read one article. Everyone thinks of Crosby's 8.7 deal as a hometown discount and apparently that was 17.3% of the cap at the time. McDavid's rumoured 13.25 mill would be 17.7% of the current cap, so maybe it's not that different? Still seems high to me, but maybe It's just inflation at work. We should be thinking proportional with the cap world anyway.

It's worse, at least Lefty had legit debating points. All I see is name calling like "Trashill", not much else. Borderline obsessive.

It's amazing how your whipping boy is Blashill, when in reality our roster isn't even that good and even Babcock struggled terribly with it. I mean not a fan of Blashill myself but it's hilarious how you exaggerate the problem.

If I was a youngish offensive minded player I wouldn't come within 500 miles of a team coached by Blashill Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

If it works out, why would you flip him for picks? If a 23 year old, former 1st overall pick works out here, I'd want to keep him as part of the future. I wouldn't trade him for a pick(s) in hopes that we can draft a 17 year old kid that may or may not become an NHL player.

So last year during all the commotion of evaluating the team's picks during the 2016 NHL draft, I thought it would be fun to go back five years and see how those players panned out, and more specifically what LGW was saying at the time of those picks. It was a fun and relatively informative thread, and I thought it would be just as fun and informative to do it again this year. One thing worth mentioning is that five years ago, LGW did not have nearly as loud of a voice in prospects as we do now. So there isn't as much "Holland should have picked X instead of Y" like we have today, but its still fun to look back at our opinions. So without further ado, here is a look back to the 2012 NHL entry draft. Note: the '2012 NHL Entry Draft Discussion' was a general thread, whereas separate threads were made for the discussion of each of our selections. Those are also below. Round 1: Wings traded 1st round pick (19th overall) to Tampa Bay for Kyle Quincey. With that pick the Lightning selected goalie Andrei Vasilevskiy. Round 2: Wings selected Martin Frk (49th overall). Discussion is here: LGW was overall pleased with this pick. Frk was originally slated as a 1st rounder but dropped to us at 49th. Some were considering it a steal. Round 3: Wings selected Jake Paterson (80th overall). Discussion is here: Not much overall talk on him from LGW. A couple voices were happy with the pick. Round 4: Wings selected Andreas Athanasiou (110th overall). Discussion is here: No complaints on this pick, even back then (at least in this thread. There was a grumble or two over this pick in the 2012 entry draft discussion thread). People loved the speed. Comparisons were made to being a second Jurco or Tvrdon (in a positive way lol). Round 5: Wings selected Mike McKee (140th overall). Discussion is here (and 300 other places on these forums. This is prob the most popular draft pick to never play an NHL game): I would say hindsight is 20/20 on this one but I know there are still people here that are creaming themselves over this guy so whatever. Poor Buppy was the lone voice trying to temper expectations. Round 6: Wings selected James DeHaas (170th overall). I was unable to find a specific thread on this pick. Round 7: Wings selected Rasmus Bodin (200th overall) Discussion is here: Not much here to write home about. 2012 Entry Draft Discussion Thread: A lot of this thread is overshadowed by the Suter and Parise sweepstakes. A cute little gem: "i like the frk and mckee picks as well as the potential of bodin ....good draft day considering we dealt our 19th pick id say ... not sold on athanasiou being a player but overall pleased" and nice foresight from ogreslayer: "To me, the most intriguing pick is Athanasiou given what's been said of the kid's speed & skill. Discipline & hard work can be taught, natural speed & skill can't. If there's a player the Wings drafted this year that will be known as the steal of his draft class, I think he could be it." this draft was rated by one of our resident posters as one of the best drafts in a long time: "I have been doing some reading and research on the Wings picks...I can honestly say this is one of the Wings best drafts in a long time. I can also honestly see all 6 of these kids being in the Detroit when their time comes. The only one who may have an issue is the goalie, Paterson, only because Howad is still young and Mrazek is doing so good too! Now, he may not be a Red Wing, but he could make it somewhere else, but the other five? I can see them filling certain and different roles on this team within the next 3-7 years. I think McKee and Bodin are going to be HUGE (no pun intended) surprises to the NHL world and once again, Holland will deemed a genius! De Haas may have a bit of a challenge too considering Detroit's interest in Suter and Schultz. If Holland lands those two or even one of them, the Wings have a great young core of defenders who will be here for a long time. Kronwall, Ericsson, Suter, Smith, Schultz, if he signs Dekeyser, and also there are two kids in the top 10 prospects Sproul and Ouellet. If Holland gets Suter/Schultz then eventually Dekeyser I can see Sproul and Ouellet even having a hard time cracking this lineup anytime soon, but again De Haas looks like a great young defenseman and should make some waves in GR and eventually, if not for the Wings, somewhere in the NHL too... Good on ya, Holland!" As of right now, the only player from that draft to reach the NHL ice is Athanasiou. So 1 for 5 from 2012. 20% success rate for rounds 2-7, which is essentially the league average for that span, as I show below. For the record, here is a list of the entire 2012 entry level draft: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2012e.html The first 20 picks in the first round essentially all made it to the NHL. Griffin Reinhart (4th overall, Islanders), Derrek Pouliot (8th overall, Penguins), and Slater Koekkoek (10th overall, Tampa Bay) are the only three in the top twenty to play less than 82 games of NHL hockey. After pick 20 it gets more dicey, only 4 of 10 playing more than 82 games, and two of those four barely make that cut. Four players played less than 20 games in the NHL in that back 10. The second round only produced 8 hockey players to play more than 20 games in the NHL. Frk is not one of them. Ten players from the third round have played more than 20 games in the NHL. Notables from this list include Shayne Gostisbehere (78th Philadephia), Colton Parayko (86th St Louis), and Frederik Andersson (87th Anaheim). Six players from the fourth round have played more than 20 NHL games, including Athanasiou. Five players from the fifth round have played more than 20 NHL games. Mike Mckee is not one of those five. Nine players from the sixth round have played more than 20 NHL games. Nobody from the seventh round has played more than five NHL games. Overall there isn't a lot of star power outside of the first round in this one, and after pick 20 the odds of finding an NHL player diminish considerably. Round 2 had a success rate of 26% of producing an NHL player. Round 3 is 33%. Round 4 is 20%. Round 5 is 16%. Round 6 is 30%. Round 7 is 0%. So final thoughts on this one: Holland's 20% success rate about mirrors the league rate for round 2-7. Not having a first round pick hurt this year, considering the success rate in the top 20 picks, and the paucity of success thereafter. Athanasiou was one of the better players to come outside the first round, though, so the Wings organization at least has that going for them.

So Smith just signed a four year deal with NYR for something like $4.5 million per. Hahahaha Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I mean, i dont wanna sound insensitive, but goddamn, we havent played in it yet and the place is already haunted by s***.

Ya it's getting to Lefty/Franzen levels. I swear there is a comment in every top thread right now.

I really like the idea of this thread. I hope you keep doing it next year!

I feel like guys like Yakupov are the exact types of players that the Wings should be going after. Edmonton being able to sign McDavid for anything less than max is a bargain for them.

Nail Yakupov + Jeff Blashill = disaster Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

He's good at passing

Absolutely ******* not. For what purpose? To overpay? To over-extend? Word on the street is he wants 3 years and who knows what he wants $$$ wise? What good would he do us?

What are you talking about? I'm not trying to justify anything. As I said, I wouldn't want Smith at his current contract. No one is talking about the players Kronwall or Ericsson were a few years ago, or the player Smith may or may not be in a few years. All I'm saying is "right now", I'd take Smith at his current contract over Kronwall, Ericsson and possibly DeKeyser and their current contracts (and current level of play). Again, I don't want Smith, just that I believe the Rangers are getting a better return with Smith than we are with any of the guys mentioned in 2017.

That's a D-man with a big stick

He's not better than the top 9. Just in his 2 games you could tell. He needs another year in GR. He's not like Larkin who was a shoe-in. Nor was he like AA or Mantha who we're debatable. Svech was not debatable last year. He needed and probably still needs more time in GR. Unless something changes this summer. Furthermore, EVEN if he is better than say ONE player on the top 9, it doesn't necessarily mean the right decision is to bring him up. First of all it's a matter of development. Will Svech benefit from coming up now, or will another year in AHL help him reach his ceiling? If it's a choice of being the 9th best forward and being on the roster vs. potentially becoming a top 3 player with one more year of experience in AHL (with heavier minutes), then as a GM or a coach I would want the second choice every single time. But of course some of ya'll don't think that deep and jump on the "omg omg omg Holland something something vets favored, Svech not in, I want to see his orange , acne face something something Holland smells bad" narrative or whatever.

Do you think there's even a remote possibility that Ericsson is the healthy scratch? I don't. But I would still prefer a 24 year old Sproul in that spot over a 38 year old Campbell. How does scratching a 24 year old with potential (even if that potential is a 3rd pairing, power-play specialist) and bringing in a 38 year old that's on his last leg help a rebuilding team?

How nice would it be to have this kid plus all of that cap space Datsyuk took?

I've always hated the Criesby / Crosbaby nonsense, but now McAnnoying? Seriously? These are two of the best hockey players of their generation, and you don't like them just because of media hype? Give me a f***ing break. Both are phenomenal athletes, and by all accounts great people on and off the ice. These guys are great role models for kids. I swear there's more fan hate for Crosby than there ever was for Cooke / Avery and their on ice antics or either of the Kane's and their off ice antics... I hope Crosby continues to shred this league, McDavid eventually takes over and media talks about them every chance they get. They deserve every bit of praise, and it's great for the growth of the game.