until this site decides to crack down on people who are obviously trolls, all threads devolve into this. i don't care if this gets me in trouble for saying this, but this site has turned into a garbage heap of terrible posters. i know sites have to try and be open to anyone, but it makes for a terrible environment for honest and genuine discussion. the day that matt instructs to moderators to crack down on trolling will be the day that lgw takes 50 steps forward as a hockey board.
as far as the thread is concerned, i will reiterate that howard is a well above average goalie. 'elite' is such a loaded term these days in all sports. but jimmy is one of the better goalies in the league, and one of the most valuable and skilled players on our team.
the defense is atrocious this season and has been for several years. do we have anyone that would be considered a shut down defenseman? have we for a few years? even lidstrom wasn't the best in his own end the last couple seasons. stuart was a strong shut down guy for yeasr, but seemed to be mentally checked out last year so even that didnt help.
Define trolling. I understand your POV completely, but the day we start deleting threads because we don't consider them discussion-worthy is the day we get crap for being fascists and violating free speech. It's a no-win situation for the powers that be. It would be VERY helpful for others to start what they consider more appropriate topics and refrain from posting in those that don't interest them; the thread will die a natural death. (Please respond via PMs! Thanks)
Now, to discuss the de-evolution of this thread. It has jumped the shark. If if doesn't improve promptly, it will be deleted.
OooOoOoOOoO Franzen scored a goal, now he is Omnipotent! He is a Sniper! He is our Saviour! He still sucks, he is still lazy and he still is not better than Hossa or Perry...even Scott Parker scored a goal once in awhile...
Good sweet Jesus, is it humanly impossible for you to post about anything other than Franzen?
It was an absolutely horrible call and I hate it when we score on cheap PP's, but honestly, a little part of me was happy to see a trashy reputation call against the other team for a change. Nice to know the refs are spreading the joy around a little since Homer retired.
Fact of the matter is they're selling a product that people collectively pay millions to experience every year. They can throw a hissy fit every eight years if they want because they are the ones who own this amazing product. It's strange to see fans still butthurt that there is a business aspect to hockey, expecting free crap and Center Ice. Yes, the lockout sucked, but that's how business works sometimes. Yes, it has sucked more than other major sports leagues, but it's over now. Stop feeling so entitled. It's like being mad at a super hot model who stopped working for a few months. You aren't the one calling the shots here.
Stop telling other people how to feel or that they have no right to be angry. No one died and made you the arbiter of etiquette. Go ahead and lay down for the NHL - no one has told you what to do, yet you feel entitled to tell others. Don't think that just because you feel a certain way, no one has the right to feel differently.
I and others who are still "butthurt" can spend our money in any way we see fit, and we choose not to give it to something that slaps us in the face. You are welcome to say thank you, sir, may I please have another, but others are going to make their displeasure known.
It's not mine, but I wish I could take credit for it. Just Drop It on Facebook shared this fan's letter:
By Tangotiger Terrible apology.
First, they never say “I’m sorry”. In order to express remorse, you MUST say “I’m sorry”. If you say “I apologize”, you simply acknowledge a wrong, but without expressing remorse.
Secondly, even if you want to accept “apologize”, they don’t even mention their culpability. They say “for the time we’ve missed”. That’s like coming home late for dinner because of bad traffic. Like, it couldn’t be helped.
“I apologize for being late, as the traffic was terrible.” That’s what the NHL just said.
But, the NHL is the one that caused the accident! They locked out the players. They can’t even acknowledge it. They’re hoping by not saying it, people will forget about who to blame! Even some of their NHL.com “reporters” go out of their way to not say “lockout”.
Anyway, after that complete opening fail, they want to earn your trust by… having someone else play their hearts out for you! The players were willing to play with an expired CBA. They were always ready to play their hearts out.
So, the NHL caused an accident, made you late for dinner, and is going to get their mechanic to work extra hard on your car, and even though the mechanic was going to do that anyway. And for this, they expect absolution.
Does the NHL offer you free NHL Center Ice? No, of course not, because their “partners” wouldn’t allow it. Some of their partners (Comcast, Cablevision) happen to own the Flyers and Rangers. And I think inDemand is owned by Comcast. Anyway, I understand that Cablevision still wants their 49$ cut out of the 99$ they’d otherwise charge for a 48-game season. But, why is the fan paying that 49$? Why can’t the NHL give the fans a rebate on that? So, you pay the 49$ to Cablevision, and then you fill out the rebate form at NHL.com, and the NHL gives you back 49 NHL bucks, which you can apply to tickets, concessions, or merchandise. Instead, Bettman goes on the radio and now makes his partners complicit in the idea that the fans can’t get a free NHL Center Ice package.
Finally, they end their apology letter by asking us to forget everything and focus on the players. This is like Congress blocking aid to Sandy for two months while eventually agreeing to the proposal all along. It was a ridiculous wait.
The only apology I’d like to see is Bettman/Daly’s performance in early December following Fehr’s pronouncement that they had agreement on the dollars, and were right on top of each other everywhere else, while they were talking about hills to die on and comparing Fehr’s statements to being a billion dollar apart the last time. The deal they eventually agreed to was pretty much what Fehr was talking about in December. It was five weeks lost, for no other reason than whatever motivates Congress: talk loud and hope no one notices that you are saying nothing.
And if someone from the NHL happens to read this: if you have taken offense to what I just said, then I apologize. Dinner will be waiting.
Can everyone please try to discuss their point of view without resorting to questioning the intelligence and/or parentage of someone with a differing view? You guys should need just as much time to get warmed up to this as the players need to not look rusty. It's too early to be suspending people, okay?
I think it's going to take a lot more than that for Holland to lose his job. He's been hog-tied by the salary cap, and while he did great getting currently signed players to take less and found a few diamonds-in-the-rough and reconstituted players, that opportunity is past. He's now struggling to find his way in uncharted territory for him, and I suspect Ilitch is going to give him a little more leeway.
So far they've opened up practices to the general public (schedule here) and are starting a "fee free" presale through Ticketmaster on all home games starting the 17th. They will be emailing a password, which I will post here.