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Not that I don't appreciate A LOT of the video work that you do but, not that you've even broken this hit down, if you look at video hard enough, you can see whatever you want to see out of it. The game is played in a speed faster than replay, screenshots, and slow-motion... There are certainly a lot of players out there that deliberately make bad decisions or premeditated actions on the ice that lead to injury. Other players also make split second decisions that involve injury whether there is intent or not. As I said in the previous thread, I think Chara's received all the punishment he'll get. 5 minutes for interference. Game Misconduct. I'll leave it at that... Except to disagree and say that Claude was a terribly dirty player... although just like Chara's hit tonight, I'm not sure he meant to rub Draper out into the boards like that.

I predict we take a 4-0 lead into the 3rd period, but lose the game 12-5

this looked like interference and no more... i know this wont be a particularly popular opinion. this play happens once a year and everyone mentions how dumb the rink design is and then nothing gets done. another link to the video since that ones gone.....

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Neighbor invited me to the game tonight... Should be a good one! Go Wings! I hope it is a repeat of what we did the last time....only with out the break down at the end!

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I don't think this one is so black and white (enforcer v. anti-enforcer). The play was certainly dirty, but it is largely a question of intent. I think McKenzie has it correct in saying, "The hit was late. It was interference. It caused injury and while the design configuration of the boards and glass played a pivotal role in the severity of the injury, the responsibility is still with the hitter. So two games is my call. No one will like it. Works for me.". Full link here- http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=357203

Those of you saying that Chara knew he was hitting him into the stantion are crazy. At the pace this game is played, Chara was simply trying to not allow Pacioretty to get by him and grab the puck. This was not a dirty hit. Interference maybe, but Chara certainly did not plan for this to happen. I remember my days playing hockey, I hit someone the exact same way. It was not on purpose, I had no idea the stantion was there, but it was one of the biggest hits of my hockey career *The kid I hit was not injured

The league can fine tune the rulebook and tweak the rink designs over and over and you're still going to see players getting severely injured on borderline plays. In the end it comes down to respecting each other and hitting to make an effective play, not to injure somebody. Its a shame that so few players practice this philosophy.

I'm sorry, but Chara needs a heavy suspension for that bulls***. He looks up to see where he was on the rink and sees the stanchion and throws him into it. It's bulls*** and uncalled for. I hope to god Pac's ok. That was horrific.

As ugly as that hit was, it was more carelessness then an intent to injure.

I don't think Chara meant to do that; it's just an unlucky situation. No suspension should be given.

I'm so sick of the argument of whether said player is a dirty player or not every time this kind of stuff happens. It should not matter whether Chara is a dirty player or if it is his "style", a dirty play is a dirty play and should be treated as one even if the accused player is a clean player. You Can't go and murder someone and then say oh yeah but it's not my style I've never done it before and get off the hook.

Nicklas Lidstrom is never allowed to retire.

You got guys like Clutterbuck, who is out with an "upper body injury" aka concussion from Gillies, and Tangoradi who is out with a concussion from Gillies and we just learned that Probert died from all the concussions he had and Gillies is still defended by people on this board because he's a pure goon. What's noble about going off on a guy on the ice who was clearly injured by your cross ice charge...then taunting him as he laid on the ice. Followed by simultaneously checking a guys head into the boards and punching him in th face? In a little over two minutes of ice time Gillies has impacted two NHL players, one a promising prospect and the other a leader and top tier player on the Wild. "Mehhhh, Gillies was just retaliating to Clusterf***,,,mehhhhhh", Clusterbuck's hit is done every game, at least a dozen times to Homstrom and players like Miller and Eaves and Filppula who are easily knocked down to the ice. If you're skating backwards, you aren't going to be propelled forward at any dangerous rate. This wasn't directed at any individual, just tired of seeing Gillies defended. The game needs to get rid of Gillies so brain injuries don't take the lives of any more of our players. Obviously if you play on the edge and you cross the line, once, maybe twice, it's tolerable...but man... in two minutes you cheap shot two players and alter their careers.

He's only allowed to retire when he has 7 Stanley Cups and 9 Norris Trophies...because I say so.

None of the above. I COULDN'T CARE LESS. Sorry just a peeve of mine that people say "Could care less". That is all.

that wasn't worth a suspension, if the 100s of other stanchion hits that have occurred in the nhl weren't worth a suspension then why this one?

Was a scary thing to watch, but it wasnt suspension worthy. Definately a penalty, but it wasnt like he crosschecked him into the partition or anything it was a shove. Hopefully Paciorettys okay, I think a big thing in all of this is Chara and Paciorettys history. Dont forget after Pacioretty scored the OT winner the last time they played Boston in Montreal him and Chara got into a bit of a scuffle.

He was against the boards, he could have just rubbed him off, but as soon as the stantion came up he literally shoved him into it. Chara is not a dirty player, but clean players have been known to have mental lapses. But this thread is going to go the same way as all dirty hit threads go, pro enforcers don't see anything wrong, anti-enforcer see's the world falling down and then the general masses see it as dirty (the poll on HFboards is 60% to 40% calling for a suspension).

Matt, I'm sick of these video advertisements. I don't want to be talking about the Bruins/Habs game and hear what Billy Ray Cyrus has to say about his daughter.

The only people complaining about it were Hawk trolls. And this thread is serving as one for all NHL action tonight.

Abdelkader looks very replaceable. He's not in Helm's league in terms of value, that's for sure. Abby was the biggest disappointment for me this year. I thought with his 1st and 2nd line experience with lots of solid ice time from last year's injuries, he'd improve drastically. He looks like he's decided that he doesn't want to be a hockey player anymore. He used to be a player with heart. Not this year.

Best one from last year.

That's my biggest beef with him. He's 6'5" 220 lbs, but doesn't use it to his advantage nearly enough. He needs to watch game tape of Pronger to model himself afer. Yes, I'm serious.