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reaching beyond logic? In what universe do you know anything about what is going on in Lidstrom's family life? You made a huge assumption on what Lidstrom's true intentions were, based on very little information. My logic is solid.

He probably knows as much about your personal situation and job choices as you do Lidstrom's.

He even dives in shootouts! esteef

Let's see a repeat of our effort against Minnesota, 6-0 Wings. Go Red Wings!

I'm taking the wife down to the Joe for this one! Go Wings!!

Truer words have never been spoken.

Now who is making huge assumptions about someone they know nothing about?

4 wins 1.72 GAA 0.934 SV%

It's HERBIE Hancock. Duhhhh!

Lidstrom is the second-greatest defenceman of all time, IMO, but it is folly to suggest he was as good as or better than Orr. There has never been anyone else in hockey able to do what Orr did. Even with bad knees most of his career, his skating was as good as or better than Coffey's, his vision was almost Gretzky-esque and he could more than hold his own physically. The idea that his accomplishments should be downgraded because he won his Norris trophies in a smaller league is a logical fallacy. When Orr played (mostly in a 12-team league), the worst player he faced was about the 240th best player in North America at that time. Lidstrom plays against guys every night who are at best the 500th- to 600th-best player, albeit in the entire world and not just North America. There's no surefire way to compare eras, but I am convinced that if 18-year-old Bobby Orr came along today, he would become as dominant a force as he was back then. He would not put up as many points as he did because hockey is less wide open, more well coached and has goalies who are both better and have much bigger equipment. But he would dominate, especially considering that when he played, obstruction was standard practice and now it is (somewhat) gone. And of course if he came along today, his first knee injury would have been fixed with a simple arthroscopic procedure and he likely wouldn't have suffered the ongoing deterioration in his knee that ruined his career.

You can cause long term damage to retina depending on the class of laser pointers. I say that warrants a criminal charge.

It wasn't every contract year. I'm not saying there weren't stories of this. I remember it too. But you're assuming it's purely a ploy for more money and not a legitimate consideration of taking his family and raising his kids back in his native Sweden.

The reality is you have no idea what the actual claim or situation was. I could totally understand him seriously returning to his native country to raise his kids there and be with his family. I can also see an agent using that possibility as leverage. To think you could possible know it was all about the dollars is extremely presumptuous.

Negotiating ploy? Nick's a 43 year old man who wants to see his kids grow up. He can't play captain forever, eventually he has to play dad and husband.

Hope Bert gets healthy and finds his form again... Need him and Johan to find their game again

over-ripe

Glad John Hancock didn't share your philosophy. I'd actually like to take it a step further. The game is 60 minutes for 2pts. Now, if it can't be won in the regulation 60 monutes, the value of the game goes down to 1pt. If it takes you OT or a shootout to win the game, you only get 1 pt and the loser gets 0.

Burke just blew $1 mill or more, whatever his one year extension was to his buddy Wilson. Stupid of him to give him extension before Christmas when he hasn't done anything. Having said that, there are so many ex-coaches still living on their contract pay and then get a new job. Does this mean that Carlyle he is getting paid both by Anaheim (whatever his contract was) and Leafs?

in vancouver... go figure.

DraperFan is that you?

Do you guys know what a hamblacheapee is?

Glad you could join us for hockey today. hehe Kidding. Glad to have your great GDT thats for sure. Wings need a big win tonight for sure. I say we beat a fool tonight and win it by 3 goals.

"Personal reasons" means it's none of our business.

I couldn't agree more. Sheesh it's not like Joey's been sitting. He has been PLAYING even if it's been down in Grand Rapids. Ty should have been played more. If Joey sat, like Conklin has he probably would have played just as poorly.