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I think it is time Babcock does a little line juggling here. Alfie had a rough game tonight, but even Pavs looks like he is doing too much... lets simplify things. I think Babs should load up the top line, and it isn't to punish Abby because he has been fantastic. In fact, I think Babs needs to use Abby on the 2nd line to spark some energy for them. I would like to see Zetty- Datsyuk-Alfie (Pavs and Hank are just so good, that they will get Alfie going and I feel all he needs is that 1st one and then he will relax and be more confident. Also, having a right-handed shot on this line could do wonders. It would be, no doubt, the smartest line in hockey.) Franzen- Weiss- Abby (Abby will provide some much needed energy to this line and will go to the net) Nyquist-Anderson- Tatar (just do it already, for the love of God I don't care how Kenny does it, just do it!) And then the 4th line

You would think the speed and skill of the third line in the playoffs last season would have made some lasting impact on Holland/Babcock. Instead they insist on icing an old and slow team, with veterans that all provide the same attribute of nothing. There's simply no excuse for Tatar and Nyquist not to play over the likes of Samuelsson, Cleary and Bertuzzi. These veterans aren't making the Red Wings better and this continues to be the most glaring flaw of the organization.

Yeah, scoring with the goalie pulled against the Canes helps, because then it'd be even worse. I blame this on Babcock and Holland, not the players. Instead of building off last season, they've gone back to the same nostalgic crapfest love of washed up players.

Is there any reason in the world for why Bertuzzi, Samuelsson, Cleary and Alfreddson are all playing on the same team? I understand a team wanting to sign one of these veterans in order to have that leadership and experience, but for Christ's sake, why do you need four such players playing on the same team at the same time? This isn't the 2002 Wings. Holland and Babcock have handcuffed this lineup by these stupid personnel decisions.

Well atleast the tigers are up 3-0 in the 6th....

Alfredsson sucks sorry everyone this is the softest team in the NHL no doubt

Idk im switching back n forth between the Tigers n the Wings. BTW GANG MIGGY WITH A 2 RUN SHOT. 2-0 TIGERS!!!

Franzen blows, and Sammy blows more.

Babcock is not doing a good job at all. Actually hoping for injuries so Babs hand is forced to make the obvious moves. Babs will say we need to be better and make them practice hard but he sets them up to lose games. Special teams have been a disaster for 3 years kind of ridiculous changes havent been made in that area. There should be 1 of Alfie/Bert/Cleary on this team not all of them in the regular lineup. Meanwhile the defense is hanging by a thread. Any injury to Kronwall, Ericsson, Dekeseyer and even Quincey and this team is hooped.

That's one hell of a great 14 million dollar number 2 line Badcock and Holland put together. NUMBER 2 is a perfect description $HIT.

I envy Preds fans - they got to be there at the inception of their team. What wouldn't I give to see the Wings starting out? Man, those were the days - when men were men and refs nonexistent. Bettman too!

I think we should get used to a lot of this, we are essentially the same team we iced in the regular season last yet. Filp and Weiss might as well be the same guy and Alfie and Brunner might as well be the same guy which leaves us with the Cleary's, Bert's and Franzen's floating around the ice because they are too slow..until this team gets Gus and Tatar playing full time or makes a trade to get some speed we are a 5th-8th seed in this conference. I hope they prove me wrong as they usually do but I expect a lot of nights like this with this lineup.

Alfredsson capped off a crap night from what I saw with a terrible pass and a fumble at the line. that game was ass.

excuse this game? too much rest? NO OFFENSE sams, cleary, bert, alfie, weiss, useless. yeah sorry need to break up Z and dats.

What's wrong is we have two young guys that should be playing and two old that shouldn't.

That's what happens when you're older than dirt.

Brendan Smith has gone full retard. I just don't get it.

You mean like two time all star Keith Yandle? The man who I've been pining for for two years, and who most LGWers say "isn't very good defensively", yet who (when compared to our d-core) looks like a superstar? Yeah I don't know where we'd find a guy like that.

Anyone else see that chick giving them the middle finger after the goal?

Hello all. Long time lurker here, finally decided instead of just checking the forums hourly to join the fun. That being said. I along with everyone on here, have long since lost my patience with Babs and his lines. Our 3rd line is a joke. Theres no speed, no hands, just washed up trash. I pray everynight for a Sammy/Cleary injury so the kids get the ice time they deserve. Also, Q and Smith are undoubtedly one of the worst defensive pairings in the league. Buttttt all in all im gonna quit complaining, love our team (to the best of my ability) and see how tonights game goes.

Too bad they didn't win that first one. I can't believe it's been that long. I feel old.

I think I'd move a little further away if that was going on too.

Agreed. Despite his OT GWG, I feel like I've hardly noticed Weiss. I was hoping he'd have the edge that Fil seemed to lack. Alfredsson seems to constantly want to make the pretty cross ice pass. Don't see how they can put him back at the point at all, after that performance. I'd like to see them try spreading out the attack some: Forgetting our roster space issues, it'd be nice to see what a lineup like this could do: Abdelkader - Dats - Franzen Nyquist- Zetterberg - Alfredsson Tatar- Weiss - Cleary Miller - Andersson - Bertuzzi (or Eaves/Tootoo upon their returns) That would give us at least one body under 30 on each line and I feel like we could play with some more pace.

wow... faceoffs=wtf, alfie=wtf... we have to get more hungry

Hey I'm not sure but I think Mike Smith's arm is stinging...