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When Tatar and Nyquist ARE on the roster and getting a good amount of ice time they better be the second and third coming of Datsyuk because these boards are touting them as though their absence is the only thing standing between us and an undefeated season. I trust our coach and that's the last I have to say about it right now.

Wait, are we using Cleary's clutch playoff performances against him now? Do the playoffs not count? Also I fail to see your point about ice time. Everybody is supposed to produce more with more ice time, if Cleary didn't then I'd say he's not worth his money. Given more ice time, he produces more. That's what he's supposed to do. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that Cleary is as skilled as Nyquist, he's not. But he produces consistently, and when paired with quality linemates he produces pretty well. He's definitely worth his money. However, I do have a problem with those that think Nyquist is somehow entitled to a top six spot based on his skill alone. He has by no means shown (so far) that he's capable of producing even at Hudler or Filppula levels given third line minutes, and yet many are clamoring for him to get promoted to the top six.

I remember Johnny Quest. Johnny Quick sounds like the Flash's long-lost son from a one-nighter with Lightning Girl. Yeah, they had a quickie.

Total Recalled. Sorry, that's all I've got.

I do not recall anything special about his celebration. Given that he scored 4 goals in one game it was rather tame. And Oates got OV on his team who likes to jump into the glass after his goals.

he's scoring shorthanded too which is nice

At least we'll finally have something of an energy line in Miller-Glendening-Tootoo, too bad the rest of the roster is a bit of a cluster f***. I do like Bert on the top line though, and Franzen should probably be moved down to the 3rd line but hey I bet they'll be a ton of line juggling going on this season.

Johnny Quick let us in a terrible goal. WHAT'S THE ISSUE, MAN

Oates needs more fiber in his diet.

Babcock is handcuffing this team. Having a terrible special teams year in and year out, with all the talent on this team, falls on coaching. Being unprepared against a Pheonix team after playing a disgusting game of hockey with 4 days off is a coaching issue. These lines are ridiculous players are being to asked to fill a role that they just can't and no adjustments get made. We were being outplayed from the start of the game to the end and no adjustments were made to lines that were consistently getting scored on and creating no offence. I blame Babcock just as much as Holland for these ridiculous signings because you know he has a major influence. Cleary, Bertuzzi and Saumelsson are brutal signings that have destroyed the growth of this team. What's worse is that Babcock chooses to play these guys every night. Ridiculous

1. meh 2. makes the second line worse 3. might get Alfie going 4. fuuuuuuuux Disagree. He had a terrible game, but unless turning 41 makes you go brain dead, I don't think his age had much to do with it. His two mistakes were on the power play, standing still, at the blueline, and they were both mistakes of the mind, not the body.

Cleary gets way more ice time than Goose and has also played with Dats and Z. Apples and oranges... Cleary needs to go too. He sucks. I don't know if I mentioned it in any threads today, but I'd like to go on record stating that Cleary sucks. A Wings roster without him may bring tears of joy.

A thread bump regarding a player that left vs. one that was added and hasn't lit it up *yet* coinciding with a Red Wing loss. Who'd of thought?

Hey, 1975 called, they want their game back. Fighting has been on the decline and the trend will continue. Yzerman, Bowman, Babcock, etc, aren't soft soccer moms, they're well respected hockey icons who know the game and can see the direction it's going in. There's no way the league can continue to say they are serious about concussions and head injuries and continue to allow fighting. So pop in your VHS of Slapshot and reminisce about the good old days because they aren't coming back.

Why does Johnny Quick sound like a bad cartoon from the 50's?

The best thing is the background advert!!

I was wondering about that. Can he trade himself to another team? And will he bench himself if he's playing lousy?

Well since he'll be giving it to himself.... Haha GM feds should trade player feds to another team then not report to that team. Free player! Boom deal

Any word on the contract? Let me be first: overpayment.

it still doesn't matter. at the end of the olympics both the men and women's Canadian hockey team will hold the Gold. "USA, ALL THE WAY.." pfftttt

When Yzerman was being protected by these players did he know then what he knows now? Maybe the new revelations about concussions in sport have changed his mind. Maybe now that he is a dad his mind has changed. None of you changed your mind after thinking one way for 20+ years, then discovered/learned something you previously were unaware of? Do you think maybe the research and studies down on CTE and concussions have changed his mind? For instance players used to smoke butts in the locker room before and after periods, should they still be doing it? No because they realized the impact it has on their breathing and abilities, so players for the most part stopped smoking, and all of them (due to laws) no longer smoke in the locker room. Also can we stop using the Blood feud as evidence we need to keep fighting, when was the last time a rivalry was that strong and had that much bad blood. No fight in the past 15 years has as much reason to be had as those fights. IF every fight in the NHL was in the same vein as the ones between the Wings and Avs, I for one would have no issue with them. But most of the fights are over clean hits, scrums at the net, or because a couple of goons are on the ice. Even when Matt Cooke ended Marc Savard's career, how many of the big bad bruins kicked his arse?

Sorry Stevie but I disagree. fact is you spent a good portion of your career-nearly all being protected by guys like Probert, Kocur, McCarty, Shanny, etc....... You had 1 career fight, lost badly, and were smart enough to never do it again, which counters your argument. no one has to fight. But most star players are glad there are guys that do. Some of us remember that wonderful evening back in 1997 when the RW finally became a champion. No it wasn't a 5 goal night from federov or stevie, it wasn't the night we finally lifted the cup over our heads, it was a couple of months earlier than that, at the Joe vs the Avs in March. Every RW fan under 30 knows that night. But most can't tell you who won the game, or what the final score was. But everyone remembers the night of the turtle. Everyone remembers Mccarty redeeming his best friends honor. Everyone remembers Shanny clocking Roy, and then letting Vernon pummel Roy. BTW the final score was 6-5 RW's, with McCarty scoring the game winner-something he wouldn't be allowed to do if Stevie had his way. Same guy scored the Cup winning goal a few months later.

Calder cup but we got the memo! Its a shame what's happening right now. Wish we could see goose and tats with the roster right now.

I like then better than the USA jerseys, which are an abomination. I would like these more if they had the stripes on both arms, they included the stem of the leaf, and nixed the gold trim and the shiny crap.

I think it's the way they deceive their victim into believing they're backing off, been then swooping around and catching them at the right moment.