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While looking for this I found this Which is even more hysterical.

Sept 25 GDP: wings 3-Chi 2. Tatar , Nosek, Nestrasil. Wings put up 41 sog.

I love fighting. I like the spectacle. I love that extra dimension it gives to the sport. It's truly unique. I wish the instigator rule was not in place. I loved when their was a heavy weight matchup of Probert v. Domi, and seeing who was going to win the belt from the other. I loved that if anyone touched Yzerman Probie would immediately turn into the hulk and smash their face in, no matter what the consequences were for himself. I loved when McCarty turtled Lemieux, because I literally wanted vengeance and blood for what he did to Draper. But here's why I think your argument stinks Frank. Everyone who I know that is pro-fighting (including myself) whines about how - since the instigator rule - the enforcers ability to protect and scare off the rats is almost completely diminished. Fighting USED to protect stars to an EXTENT, but not anymore, and that's what pisses off pro-fighting advocates and why everyone calls for the repeal of the instigator penalty. So please, don't act like having McMeatbag on the fourth line/bench is going to protect Datsyuk. All that guy can do is instigate a revenge fight at a later time. And Scuderi can easily just say no at that time, and then we have another possible Bertuzzi-Moore situation on our hands. If you want the culture of protective fighting you have to: 1) repeal the instigator rule 2) find a guy who can drop the gloves AND play top line minutes or 3) time-travel back to the 1980s Fighting these days is used to possibly change the mood of a game and/or to seek vengeance. And it puts fans like you and I in the stands. That's it.

I don't get it TSN has had such an informative and well organized site. Yeah, you want a more modern look but why not keep the great structure instead of throwing the whole concept over board and thencreate something where nobody knows, how to find stuff ?! i.e. Podcasts, Season Preview... Also please stop that stupid "load more" button and add SITE numbers seriously how difficult is that ? Even I could code that. Now the site looks "modern" but more like a mobile unorganized site...disappointed. If somebody knows where to find the podcasts etc. please link them

True, but I think that inflates his value a little too much in 2008. That year he played one game in the finals, had 6:00 minutes of icetime, 11 shifts, and no fights. He didn't do anything that Abdelkader and Helm don't do better. For all intents and purposes that was a pure skill team with a pure skill win. However, your point is taken for 97, 98, and 02. Those were tougher teams than our current bunch, but still near the bottom of the league in all major "tough guy" categories. Making comparisons against ones' self is always precarious because it tends to skew all relative contextual information. By comparing the 97 Wings to the 08 Wings you'd conclude that one was "tough" and one wasn't. But once you factor in the rest of the league you realize that neither were tough. In 97 our less tough team absolutely obliterated the tough guys from Philadephia who were supposed to be so much and powerful and scary. So while I agree that our older teams were tougher than current ones, they were still by no means "tough" teams by NHL standards. Also, in neither case are those Wings' team indicative of whether or not "tough" vs. "skill" philosophies are better, they just happened to be better that year.

That injuries problem are to be real already

And? So was Kronwall.

Heard there was a lot of czeching in that game.

Ya, but just like when Shanny, Hull, Yzerman, Draper, Lidstrom etc. were getting old, we had guys like Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Kronwall, Fillpula, and Franzen coming up. Now as the new crop are getting old, we have Tatar, Nyquist, Jurco, Mantha, Sproul and others coming up. Best case for us, the kids develop before the older crew start to decline. If this can happen, we have one hell of a team! Your cousin could have had a third degree shoulder separation which is much worse. Below I pasted the difference of the 3. As per http://www.sportmedspecialists.com/sms-in-the-news/shoulder-articles First Degree: The most common and the least serious is the first degree. This is merely a bruise to the joint. The athlete will be painful but can play as soon as the pain is diminished enough to allow him to function fully. This will vary from not even missing a shift to a week or so before the pain settles down. The second degree sprain is more serious. It involves partial tearing of the ligaments. Second Degree The second degree sprain is more serious. It involves partial tearing of the ligaments. There is more swelling in the joint and usually bruising will appear a few days later. There is a small bump evident where the clavicle is now sitting a bit higher. A sling can be worn for comfort for a few days. Sport therapy is started immediately to maintain range of motion and regain the strength in the shoulder. Again, pain and function will guide the athlete on when they can return to play. the athlete will usually be out 4-6 weeks Third Degree The third degree separation involves total tearing of the ligament in the joint. The clavicle is totally out of the joint. In the old days(10-15 years ago) we used to operate on these to put the clavicle back in the joint. Now we treat it the same as a second degree separation, except there is a longer recovery. We now know that an athlete or a worker for that matter will get back to activity sooner and with more strength if we do NOT operate. I t is the only joint in the body which we will actually leave out of joint once it is injured. The athlete is usually out for 6-8 weeks. The most important thing is to protect the shoulder when they go back to play. We use a special pad under the shoulder pad to protect the joint and probably use a better shoulder pad. Shoulder pads are a lot better now but can be very cumbersome. You would be amazed to see what some of the NHL players use to protect their shoulders. Some of the pads have been worn since bantam hockey. I am now working on design for a better shoulder pad to protect this Acromioclavicular joint. As with any injury I would rather prevent an injury than treat the injury.

pretty sad considering my high school football games would even be on TV...

YAY Tatar!!!!

Responsive is pretty easy, just a lot of work depending on how complex the design is. It's basically defining different styles for different resolutions. If width is < 1400px, then you just put all of your styles in that conditional. Then you target every resolution that your content demands. And optimizing sites for mobile is a big thing now because a lot of traffic is coming from mobile devices, whereas in the past they were unusable at full resolution on a mobile; especially a mobile connection.

agreed. i love fighting as much as the next guy but the reality is that in today's game, it serves no purpose other than to entertain the fans

He's against losing a good player to a fight and/or putting your team in a bad situation. ie shorthanded.

Holland is not anti-fighting. He's anti-haveaguythatcanbarelyskateandhasmeathooksforhands

I don't think anyone believes that toughness and a strong physical presence isn't a good thing to have on a team. The issue pops up with how different folks define what toughness is. I personally find value in players who are strong in the corners and can protect the puck well, and retrieve loose pucks amidst slashes and cross checks and the like. I find value in players who can effectively drive the net and hold their ground there. I find value in players who can physically wear down on the opposition, through hard hits, relentlessness, good speed and pressure. I don't find much value (other than for entertainment and personal sadistic gain) in players fighting other players for hits or past issues, legal or otherwise. I don't think it deters anything (in fact I think it potentiates the issue, as Kip alluded to), and just slows the game down. But that's my personal stance on the issue. Obviously there are plenty of folks who think that Downey's presence on the roster gave the team the courage to win the game, or Drake's willingness to fight kept the opposition honest, whatever that means. I just don't buy that aspect of it.

There's a difference between having a guy who will fight and can do other things and having a talentless meatbag who can do nothing but punch people.

I think it's quite clean and sharp... The old one was quite cluttered. As for the podcasts, they can always be found on Itunes. Also you can click the Radio tab... then choose a station...then choose Audio....Then choose....

I don't know about other teams, but I suspect that your characterization of Wings fans' attitudes is right...yet incomplete. People around here buy into Kenny's philosophy partially because they don't have an alternative, and partially because it's been SUPER successful during his tenure. If he espoused a "no fighting" philosophy and we missed the playoffs every year I imagine fans wouldn't be so quick to go with it. Likewise, Peter Chiarelli's teams are "pro fighting" and they win, so why argue with it? If they started losing consistently I'd imagine fans would be less enthusiastic about the organizational philosophy.

agreed. lol. and you know this how? there have been so many instances of players taking runs at star players on pertty much every team that this notion is laughable. enforcers do not deter players from taking cheapshots anymore thanks in large part to how the nhl has changed the rules Remember in 2008, when lapeirre took a run at lidstrom and injured him. downey was in the lineup but that didnt stop him from going after lidstrom or how about kronwall this past season when mcleod boarded him right next to tootoo. it's hilarious to think by today's standards that mccarty only got a 5 min major for fighting after that beatdown. If he did that today, he would probably be gone for the year

I don't think it was a dirty hit, but it would make me feel better if we had someone stand up for our guys. Like how Hoggan did when Farnham ran Ouellet. It's camaraderie when you know people have your back. It might not prevent injuries or people running our guys, but it makes me feel better. I don't even like watching the fights most of the time, I'm nervous as hell for the guys. Even the other guy, most of the time. It does infuriate the hell out of me when stuff like this happens and our guys are just standing around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDYBpZbGvv4

I've never hit the "like" button faster.

I have a solution: Play naked.

Yes Yzerman's "suddenly found defensive game" happened to exactly coincide with the end of the late 80's/early90's scoring frenzy. Be that luck or not, this comparison is bad.

Remember that comparing Ovechkin to Yzerman should be taken 100% literally. Ovi will now be as defensively responsible as a great defensive center is. Screw analogies.