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Getting a penalty for somebody dropping their stick on a 'slash' is the most infuriating thing in hockey right now

inspired by FlashyG, here's my first gif

Zetterberg Larkin Nyquist Vanek Nielsen Tatar Helm Sheahan Abdelkader Miller Glendening Those are more or less locks to be regulars. Frk is this year's Pulk. Big AHL numbers, lacks things he needs to be a good NHL player, but will probably start with the team. Jurco probably gets the other 4th line spot, square peg in the round hole. Ott probably makes the team. That's the 14 forwards. Holland will stammer about how Mantha, AA, and maybe a couple other guys are good enough but won't play a top nine role because of numbers and trading is hard, like, really REALLY hard and you have to give up a good player to get anything of value back and he won't do that, so they'll be riding the bus in GR. The defense will be a fuster cluck, Jensen will be waived to much crying and clear, whoever loses out of Marchenko, XO, and Sproul will get claimed. A rumor will leak out that whoever gets lost on waivers threatened to go to Europe instead of GR and fans will cry about him for a year until everyone figures out he's nothing special anyway.

Lmfao I like how it says "registered to pokedex"

That isn't even close to the same as moving a stick laying on the ice... If you watch the video again, he swiped the stick away, there was no slashing down motion. It's on Sadowy for not holding on to his stick... "No penalty on the play. We have a good hockey goal"...

Agreed. Both with the roster as it is I think it's the most likely scenario. There is no way Sproul or Ouellet would get waived before Frk.

Frk and Pulkkinen are nowhere near comparables in terms of numbers in the AHL. 121 Points in 119 Games 68 Points in 149 Games You can guess who's who. We're not waiving one of Sproul/Ouellet/Marchenko to keep Frk as a 14th forward...

Helm was a decent signing. What trade did Holland refuse to give up Nyquist for?

Also you're skewing the numbers. 17F vs 5D for initial roster counts? lol If you're including Frk, you have to include Ouellet and others...

Mantha, Nosek and AA have exemptions left. Frk does not. The 3 can start the season in GR without danger. Frk has no exemptions. Unless Frk s***s the bed in pre-season then it's absolutely possible that he'll be here with one of the other guys with exemptions. I'd prefer Mantha, AA and Frk be here, but this is Holland and he has to re-sign Helm and Miller. Plus refuses to dump Nyquist for a top defender. At least so far he has refused to...

PVD, I wouldn't necessarily say we messed up not signing Quine, I just think Quine was managed better in New York than he would have been if he were still here. I think Jurco is / was a better hockey player than Quine and if we had kept Quine instead of Jurco, I think Quine would be very underwhelming in our system and Jurco would be tearing it up in New York's system, or wherever he ended up being re-drafted. As great as this organization is at drafting, I really don't think they've been the best at developing some of these kids the past few years. There are several "fringe" players like Jurco, Pulkkinen, Frk, Ouellet, Sproul, etc. that I believe probably would have been a lot better players right now if they were with another organization. Of course there's no way to prove this, just a personal opinion. Regardless, I don't think Quine was a huge loss for us, nor do I think he's any better than any of the fringe players we currently have, fighting to make this team this season...

Did all 20 Tampa Bay fans vote 9/10? Pretty embarassing for Detroit btw.

Does that mean Larkin will lure Matthews here???

He could be good deadline trade bait if needed. Not re-signing a recent prospect for cheap would have been dumb. Should never let your picks walk away unless you can get something in return.

Yes and Ducks wouldn´t wait a second... This is overpayment, sending them Nyquist, prospect and D maybe more valuable than Fowler is himself.

That is MASSIVE overpayment for Fowler...

I took a quick look at some more numbers from the 2011 draft, specifically how many players drafted that year have gone on to play at least 60 games in the NHL. 60 is an arbitrary number, but I picked it so those players who just last year found their niche in the NHL wouldn't be excluded from the list for only playing in half of the season last year. I would say the vast majority of players who haven't played at least 60 games in the NHL by now likely haven't established themselves in the NHL, and in most cases they probably won't find permanent NHL jobs. I don't know if its the most definitive way to classify someone as a bust as I'm sure there are a handful of players who may still slip through, but its at least one way to do it and for its convenience its what I looked at. ANYWAY: -In the first round 11 of the 30 players picked have played less than 60 games thus far. ----Colorado's 11th overall pick Duncan Siemans has played 1 NHL game. ----Buffalo's 16th overall pick Joe Armia has played 44 NHL games. ----Chicago's 18th overall pick Mark McNeill has played 1 NHL game. ----Ottawa's 21st overall pick Steven Noesen has played 2 NHL games. ----Toronto's 22rd overall pick Tyler Biggs has played 0 NHL games. ----Pittsburgh's 23rd overall pick Joe Morrow has played 48 NHL games. ----Ottawa's 24th overall pick Matt Puempel has played 39 NHL games. ----Toronto's 25th overall pick Stuart Percy has played 12 NHL games. ----Chicago's 26th overall pick Philip Danault has played 53 NHL games. ----Minnesota's 28th overall pick Zach Phillips has played 0 NHL games. ----Vancouver's 29th overall pick Nicklas Jensen has played 24 NHL games. Things to note: Players who have established themselves in the NHL by now really thinned out after pick 15. Only 5 of the back 15 have played more than 60 NHL games, whereas 14 of the first 15 have (and many of those are in the 200+ games played range). 11 of 30 players in the second round have played more than 60 NHL games, which is a hair higher than the success rate of the back 15 of the first round (essentially the same rate). In other words, your odds of picking an NHL-calibre-player-by-2016 is essentially the same from pick 15 to pick 60, at least in this draft year. Kudos to Holland for trading one shot in that 33% success range to two shots (for a total of three shots, all in the second round). Holland's personal success in this frame currently mirrors the league: 33% success rate of this three picks between 15 and 60. That is Jurco has played more than 60, and Ouellete and Spoul have played less. Notable picks in the second round: Brandon Saad at 43rd overall by Chicago Matthew Nieto 47th overall by San Jose, and Nikita Kucherov 58th by Tampa Bay. 5 players from the 3rd round have played more than 60 games: Vincent Trocheck, picked 64th by Florida; Adam Lowry, picked 67th by Winnepeg; Klas Dahlbeck, picked 79th by Chicago; Andy Andreoff picked 80th by Los Angeles; and Nick Shore picked 82nd by Los Angeles. 4 players from the 4th round have played more than 60 games: Jean-Gabriel Pageau picked 96th by Ottawa; Reid Boucher picked 99th by New Jersey; Jonny Gaudreau picked 104th by Calgary; and Tobias Reider picked 114th by Edmonton. Only Andrew Shaw, picked 139th overall by the Blackhawks, and Nikita Nesterov, picked 148th overall by Tampa Bay have played in more than 60 games from the 5th round. Josh Manson from Anaheim, picked 160th by Anaheim is the only player from the 6th round. The 7th round produced four 60+GP players: -Iiro Pakarinen, 184th Florida -Jyrki Jokipakka, 195th Dallas -Alexi Marchenko, 205th Detroit -Ondrej Palat, 208th Tampa Bay Overall I'd say Tampa Bay had the most successful draft that year. Chicago also did quite well (although they struck out on both of their first round picks). source: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2011e.html

I disagree with the first bolded statement - agree with the second. I haven't been all that high on Jurco for awhile, but I think he's got good hands and has worked on his speed. IMO, his biggest issue (that he has control over) is his lack of confidence. He really seems to get down on himself. If I'm remembering correctly, there have been quotes from him about not liking his role, not knowing what else he can do to get more ice time, etc. I think he still has some issues with the timing/pace of the NHL too, which is a problem. At the end of the day, he needs to push the guys in the top-nine group out of the way if he's going to succeed in Detroit. That said, he hasn't exactly been put in a position to flourish, either. As others have mentioned, playing in a checking-line role doesn't suit him at all. I agree with Jurco needing to use his strength, though. His best bet might be to mold himself into a net-front guy. Abdelkader has his role locked down, but I;m not sold on Helm or Sheahan as NFP players. Either way, he needs to excel in some kind of role in order to gain more chances/trust from Blashill. This draft had me really excited for a few years. I was pretty stoked about Ouellet, Tvrdon and Sproul (most of all). Kind of a bummer to see the way the situation's panned out.

Flashy Is An F'ing Genius. I love how Babcock takes a little peek over at you real quick after he turns aroubd! Masterful! I wished he'd come back!

Jurco's problem is Blashcock pounding a square peg into a round hole. He's a skilled player being told to play like a plug.

Okay, so if these are things that "need" to be done to "save" this summer... what specific moves would you make to achieve this goal?... What would you give up to get Fowler? Which roster defenseman and three forwards would you trade and for what? And what two defense kids would you trade and for what?... By the way, he wasn't "snubbed" by Stamkos (I'm assuming that's the UFA you're talking about), he signed a great deal with the team that drafted him. He never hit free agency...

I think it's still too early to call it a "boom" or "bust" pick, but I loved the pick five years ago, and in hindsight, there are only a couple other players I'd possibly pick before him. I think both Boone Jenner and Brandon Saad would have been good picks as well, but would either of them be any better than Jurco at this point in the Wings organization? I'm not so sure... So no, I don't really think either of those guys would have panned out any better than Jurco has. I think it was a good pick, just a terrible job at developing him...

Jurco is a prime example of player mismanagement... All the potential in the world and the skills to reach that potential but never put in a position to succeed. I still believe he was brought up to the NHL too quickly and it stunted his growth. If he were seasoned for a year or two longer, I think it would have gone a long way in his development and we would have a completely different player today... Because he was brought up too early, he has struggled and his numbers have been very underwhelming, he'll be lucky if he makes the roster as the 13th forward... Sproul, I also believe has been mismanaged, but for the opposite reason... He was given plenty (too much) time to season in Grand Rapids, and I think he should have been given more than that one game a couple years ago against St. Louis. He looked very good in that game, and there's no reason he couldn't have been given another look in the past two full seasons in all that time that Marchenko and Ouellet were being called up and sent down... I've always been more impressed with Sproul but especially since he's cleaned up his defensive game. If Holland doesn't figure out this log jam and we end up losing Ouellet, Sproul or even Frk for nothing, I'll be pretty pissed...

If we didn't trade Datsyuk's caphit, we probably wouldn't have Nielson or Vanek. I would be interested to see what the criticism level would be like around here in that case. No one will know for a while what we missed out on with Chychrun, so I think speculating can only go so far. I think it's interesting to compare this trade to the 2013 draft trade where we similarly moved down in the 1st round. 2013: down 2 spots (18:Mirco Mueller - 20: Anthony Mantha) + we received a 2nd rounder (58th: Bertuzzi) 2016: down 4 spots (16:Jakob Chychrun-20: Dennis Cholowski) + we received a 2nd rounder (53rd: Hronek) + we got rid of Pav's caphit + took we took on Vitale's caphit) If you take out the part about the 2 contracts switching hands, the 2 trades look very similar if you look at pick numbers. We gave up a higher 1st round pick in 2016, but we received a higher 2nd so that compensates a bit. Haven't seen any complaints about the 2013 trade and we didn't even get rid of a big contract as part of it. But, obviously, the difference is that we ended up with the higher ranked player (Mantha ranked 15, mueller ranked 16th in the consensus top 30) (Chychrun ranked 12, Cholowski was honourable mention - just outside the top 30). As a sidenote, I don't think we can guess that we would have picked Chychrun. Both Chychrun and Fabbro were ranked higher than 16th and Stanley was taken 18th, so there were D choices and our choices often deviate from the rankings (cholo, bertuzzi are examples). We made the trade to Arizona not the Jets - Or maybe you're referring to them as the relocated Jets? Also, the trade was 16th+Dats for 20th+53rd+Vitale. To simplify it to Dats for Chychrun is very misleading.

Lol agreed. Red Wings over everybody.