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Step 1. No. Step 2. No. Step 3. No.

Let's revisit this in 2-3 years when one side of the other will be proven correct... nobody is convincing anyone of anything at this point.

Worth noting he was scoring 30+ despite the poor +/- when he started off on awful teams and when we got better his stats got better The 5 people who got more goals for the griffins than zadina are career ahlers, that was zadina’s first year and Time playing with men as a teenager so to write him off already is ridiculous

I'm thinking this one is over. Blues are one win away from their first Conference title in team history. Back when they made the Finals three straight years from '67-'68 to '69-'70 and were swept in all three, the format was screwed up with the Original 6 in one division and all the '67 expansion franchises in another. Can't even really count those, as the Blues had no chance of winning against Montreal and Boston.

I'm saying he could have put up 25 or 35 or 45. That's the point, we don't know how he would have done if he played a full season in Detroit or Montreal or Halifax. A completely different situation would lead to completely different results. Sure, it's not ideal, but you don't think age / experience should be taken into account here? Cholowski was a team worst -20 on the Red Wings this season. Do you think that's a cause for concern? Or do you think he's a 20 year old rookie defenseman and he'll figure it out? It's the latter for me. I think Zadina will be fine and Cholowski will be fine, despite what their atrocious +/- stats say...

His two-way game is well above average for a 19 year old scoring winger. Do you expect him to be a Selke candidate? Even if his defensive game has been overstated (I don't think it has), who cares? He's still competent defensively, and that should be good enough. Personally, I don't want every player on the team (especially wingers) to think defense first. Players that are as gifted offensively as Zadina, should be able to do what they do best, produce offense. Even if his defense is as bad as you claim, defense can be taught. Nothing about Zadina's game or his first pro season stats indicate any cause for concern. Zadina will not be a bust. He will be a very good top line winger in a few years producing north of 60 points.

Dude... radiating butt hurt energy Yeah I kno I pretty much agree with your assessment. I don't nearly see the type of player I expected from Zadina so far. I'm willing to change my mind if he grows, but I'm awfully suspicious at this point, as this player was supposed to be ahead of the curve. I don't think he is at all right now. I have no doubt Zadina would have been fantastic in juniors this year. However I agree with Mackel that he looks one dimensional. He was advertised as a competent two way winger. That couldn't be farther from the truth. His defense is 100% not up to par. He looked like a Pulkkinen out there. I may not agree with you on a lot of thing. but I do think you're getting stiff armed by popular opinion right now. Hold on, I'm here with ya.

"Yzerman had it easy in Tampa what with stars like Stamkos, St. Louis, and Hedman to build around, who arrived before he even got there." and then "Yzerman had it it easy in Detroit what with stars like Larkin, Mantha, and Hronek to build around, who arrived before he even got there."

Do you? I asked you why they aren't considered busts relative to their draft position. Neither of them look to be a better pick at this point in time. But go on, keep sidestepping. Also everything I said was true, I was just too lazy to quote the posts you said them in. Jared McIsaac had a better season than Dobson btw. The only argument to be made for drafting someone else over Zadina at this point in time is Hughes, and you thought that would be a "huge mistake." The fact that you have paid zero attention to our other likely candidates since the draft but insist Zadina was a bad pick pretty much says it all. You judged him in junior (contrary to any scout), haven't watched him since (I assume), say we should've drafted Dobson, Bouchard, or Hughes over him with admittedly zero context. Excuse me for thinking you're lacking solid reasoning.

He tutored under Holland.

The thought has crossed my mind, yeah. He's been pretty good about landing solid defensemen through trades tho. That's one reason why I'm kinda content to see us just keep loading up at forward.

Yeah, I doubt there'll be any offer sheets, but I think some GM (not necessarily Yzerman) should offer sheet Kapanen for $4.2M... and not just because I want the Leafs f***ed over... I think it could be a low risk, high reward signing.

Interesting. You seen the exact opposite of pretty much every amateur scout... Except that his numbers were very good for a teenager playing his first year pro, coming from juniors... If Zadina remained in juniors, he too would be pushing for a Memorial Cup with Halifax, and likely be one of the best players in the league.

Sorry for posting this after you did. Just saw this.

Yeah, I have Turcotte going to Chicago. Definitely could make an argument for him being the top center available at 3, local kid, similar play style to Toews, who's now 31 years old. Bowman has also said that he'd like to draft a center. A lot can change though and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they take Byram... or Cozens, or Dach, or Podkolzin, or...

I forgot about that....GO SHARKS!!!

We're 2 Sharks wins away from that 2020 3rd round pick turning into a 2nd round pick. That could be a significant piece to this rebuild. I'm not sure why any Red Wings fan would be cheering for the Blues... GO SHARKS!!!

Bahh, that was disappointing to say the least.