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No, you're talking about "players coming from the KHL to try and make it later in their careers". The rest of us are talking about the much more relevant "players who are really good". But even if we want to play by your rules... You should include Radulov. He did start in the NHL early, like Dadonov, but also like Dadonov left at 22 for the KHL, then came back to the NHL later and much better than when he left. Also, Datsyuk was only a year younger than Panarin when he joined the Wings, and didn't match Panarin's production until he was 25. Didn't become a point/game player until he was Gusev's age for that matter. Also you'd need to exclude almost everyone else from my list, as only a few attempted to come to NHL later in their 20s. Most either never tried or washed out in their early 20s then went on to become good players in the KHL after. So while there are only a few players comparable to Gusev that have succeeded, there are also only a few who have tried. Going by your criteria it's more like a 50/50 chance. 10x better than the chance of your 2nd round pick being the next O'Reilly.

Their offense didn't need any help. I'm expectning Nylander being back to business next season aswell. Defense was the flaw last season and I am not sure Dubas fixed that. The loss of Kadri(despite his flaws and sometimes boneheaded actions) will be felt. Kerfoot is not as good. And I don't think they upgraded the d-corps. Hot take: Gardiner is equally as good as Barrie and Ceci is just as bad as Zaitsev. Dubas should get credit for getting 50% off on Barrie though. That's just mystifying. It will all come down to if Dubas can get Marner signed long term or not. a 5-year contract will really put pressure on the Laffs to win the cup soon. Like right now.

Ok I finally watched this. I see why the Red Wings like Gustav Lindstrom. He seemed to have at least some understanding of the world around him. It's really shocking how little they know. I didn't grow up with records or record players, but you show me that s*** and I'm like yea that's a record, it plays music idiot. I could have told someone that at a much younger age than they are. I half expect them to whip out a black berry and them be like "IDK a calculator?" Almost seems put on, cause they're pretty ******* dumb. Also Zadina said in response to the moon shoes: "I don't know... Shoes to be poor?" I like that so much that I am hereby switching my opinion on Zadina officially. This is a future 90 pt winger we have and if anyone calls him Zagina again I will lose my mind on you.

He hasn't played a single NHL game because he hasn't wanted to until now What @Dabura said. Gusev could be an elite winger in the NHL as soon as next year. If I can get that for a 3rd and 1 year of Clarksons contract, Done deal. Dastyuk wanted to finish his career with his hometown team. He said that years ago. He's doing that. E 2.0 will be nothing special, you're right. Sure seems like Kronwall will be retiring. LGW is lazy and it sucks Gusev

WTF I hate Zadina now.

Athletic: Red Wings Devlopment Camp (Paywall) Basically: Seider is a beast, offensive instincts vastly underrated (my nick lidstrom cock is so hard right now) Berggren, Veleno, and Hirose all looked awesome. Kivenmaki also has undeniable offensive talent and instinct, and has added 18 pounds since last season. That would put him at 5'8" 155 lbs based on his elite prospects profile from earlier this year. I so hope he can get to 175 lbs and become a thick little MSL nugget player who scores a ton of points.

I’ve actually heard people say he might be the 3c in Colorado cause they think really high oh of jost and think he’s ready for 2c, probably a load of bs , just think that was a steep price to pay for kadri if I had to guess Toronto didn’t wanna do kadri for barrie one for one and asked for kerfoot since barrie will likely walk in a year but if I was Colorado I wouldn’t give a s*** and look elsewhere , I’m sure there was some good options they could have done without giving up both assets + 50% off barrie , Anyways it’s over now i just think like you said Colorado has byram now + makar who’s probably ready , the d core is solid for the future I’d just have been Hesitant to move 2 good assets + salary paid off on barrie for kadri alone but I’m not joe sakic

I'll just drop this here... Panarin KHL career scoring rate: 0.68 ppg Dadonov KHL career scoring rate: 0.69 ppg Gusev KHL career scoring rate: 0.84 ppg Radulov KHL career scoring rate: 1.24 ppg Notes: Radulov didn't come up in the KHL so he doesn't have years where he was young and undeveloped holding his scoring rate back. To adjust for that here is there KHL scoring rates after turning 23 years of age (the age Dadonov returned to the KHL): Dadonov: 0.82 ppg Panarin: 1.14 ppg Gusev: 1.21 ppg Radulov: 1.30 ppg

Without rehashing the entirety of our debate with Joosh, the hype is that he's been a dominant player in the KHL for 3 1/2 years, the reason he hasn't played in the NHL is because he's been committed to the KHL until now, historical precedent and analysis of the available data suggest there is a good chance he would be a very good NHL player and possibly even a star, and the cost to get his rights should not be all that high.

It cost Colorado a lot to acquire Kadri. It wouldn't cost nearly as much to acquire Gusev. If we're talking a non-1st or taking on David Clarkson's contract, that's a low-risk, high-reward addition. I'm 100% down with adding a good young top-six scoring winger on a cheapish two-year deal. Contrary to what anyone says, we're not especially deep at the wing positions.

whats the hype over gusev? 26 and hasnt played a single nhl game if your going to give up s*** for him you shouldve thrown it at kadri at least he has 2 30 goal years really dont need another play maker. if thats the case bring back datsyuk for a mil teams not going anywhere havent upgraded defense at all and thats the biggest problem. signing ericsson 2.0 doesnt help any. i wouldve kept kronwall i guess no one too excited about filppula since he didnt even get his own thread haha idk i expected one big name just to keep fans interested.

From 2008 through 2015, there were 35 skaters drafted in the first 5 picks of the 2nd round. 17 of them failed to make it in the NHL. (A few more may make that list, but are still young) 15 of them range from fringe NHLers (who may yet drop to the fail list) to decent depth players 1 was Slava Voynov, who was good but retarded The last two are Ryan O'Reilly and Sebastian Aho. So... 2 stars, 1 wife beater, 15 nobodies, 17 failures, and 0 unknowns. So even if you count all the KHLers who never tried the NHL as failures, and for some weird reason being drafted in the first round means you don't count, and for some weirder reason this is all happening in an alternate universe where Datsyuk and Demitra were drafted in the first round... Gusev STILL has DOUBLE the chance of being a star than an early 2nd round pick does.