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LOL. Yeah, there's no way Tootoo could match Miller's 2 points in 6 playoff games, Eaves' 3 points in 13 games, and Emmerton's 1 point in 13 games. All these posters who don't like Tootoo need to get over their dislike of him and actually come up with decent arguments against him. He's not a fighter, our 4th line guys are better than him, and he takes too many stupid penalties are not good arguments, as explained by myself and others in this thread. We have no shortage of PK'ers. We have a shortage of toughness or good hitters. If by "took himself out of the play" you mean he fought a lot, well no crap. That's what fighters do. They fight and sit in the box. Unless the NHL wants to change the automatic 5 minute penalty that goes with that. I agree about next year's roster, but for this season, I think he should have played more in the playoffs. Not saying we would have won the series, but he should have played more. They signed him so he can help in the postseason with grinding shifts and wearing defenders down. Which of our 4th liners contributed meaningful offense? Look up our 4th lines' playoff stats and answer me that question.

Trade Rumor. NYR sends John Tortorella to VAN for Alain Vigneault. (e5).

Youre kidding right? An agitator who happened to be voted the second hardest hitter by the actual NHL players doesnt make the team tougher to play against? Having a willing and high end middle weight fighter in the line up in case hes needed doesnt make the team tougher? Youre full of it. Tootoo must get noticed by other teams players if the players vote him the second hardest hitter in the league, you dont think some dmen voted in that and having him bearing down on them leaves them a little more uncomfortable back there? Cant wait for tougher players to start making it to the wings since theyve bee drafting this way lately. It will really clear out a lot of the band wagon fans who jumped on for the flashy european style of play. The wings arent good enough for that to work anymore, and it wasnt all that effective this year. Theres a shift coming so get used to it, its not like the wings were forced to sign Tootoo. Management decided it was in the best interests of the team for the direction theyre heading I also dont think anyone would identift Miller as a banger or their definition is pretty far off from reality. Solid player, Tootoo, Abby and Helm are the only guys that should be called that though

Ugh... Honestly, my initial reaction to that question feels as if it has the same sentiment as which would you rather have, chlamydia or gonorrhea? But I honestly do get the spirit you intended behind the question and I agree with your answer. I just despise both players these days. If they were to ever come on board as Red Wings then we'll see what happens. The 'most severe' case of this phenomenon in my lifetime was the conversion of Chris Chelios. Believe it or not, in his case I still mostly say, "I support whoever wears the Winged Wheel" instead of someone like say Zetterberg who I'm extremely happy is a Red Wing.

With all the flooding we've had in Fargo since I've moved here, I know how bad this can totally suck. Thoughts and prayers are with the people of Calgary. Hopefully no one has been/will be hurt or killed from this. Losing stuff is bad. People are a whole 'nother level of bad. No worry about the Flames though. Their play extinguished them before the water got there. <---obligatory bad joke in an otherwise serious post.

The one they should make illegal is the Patrick Kane "Come to a complete stop & stick handle for 2 minutes" move

Youre out to lunch, hes not one dimensional because he scored at the same rate as any other fourth liner on the team this season while getting used to a new team, fighting and being one of the hardest hitters in the NHL. How does a guy who is so one dimensional put up 30 points a year ago playing the fourth line? You saying he doesnt hit enough or stick up for teammates is actually laughable. I dont think hes some offensive juggernaught but he probably is a bit above average for a fourth liner, and especially for one that hits and fights like him. You also say he doesnt fight enough.. what? He fought 8 times this year, on pace for roughly 15 in a full season, who was the last wing with that many fights in a single year? Not big enough to really deter enforcers I agree with, but I guarantee you the average NHLer is more scared playing a shift against Tootoo than they are against John Scott. Theres plenty of huge hits Tootoo had this year that youre blind to, probably because hes a player who fights. Are you saying you would rather have Prust like hes more intimidating than Tootoo out there? Or because hes a better player? I would rather have Tootoo at his cap hit considering hes just as good of a fighter, hits harder and is cheaper. Find a video of Prust throwing a hit like this

This is like deciding, if you want to jump from the right or left side into the sea. That said easily Shaw. Marchand is just acting tough, because the Bruins tough guys are having his back. This guy would play a very different style, if that wasn't the case. Shaw at least brings a physical element and is usable even without bodyguards.

So, I went to see Man of Steel tonight....As we were leaving people are talking about the movie and I hear "DATSYUUUUUK!!!" behind me. I wore my Datsyuk shirt because I had nothing to wear and apparently some ones approved. I normally get booed when I wear a wings shirt while in Canada.

I agree it would take a gun to my head to make me choose, but in that scenario it would have to be Marchand - he's a dick, but Shaw is in a class by himself these days.

Blashill is expecting to be with the Griffins next year. To that I say, thank god. He is the best coach Grand Rapids has had in years. I fully expect our prospects to be better so long as we have a good coach and good developmental people such as Chelios, Maltby, Draper, and Osgood at the helm.

The team and the stadium are all washed out.

Oh, please... Many if not most of us have endured a lot of the same types of injuries (or worse) that these guys have at some point in our lives and have dealt with the same pain. These guys are pampered athletes that make millions to play a game, and they get the very best medical attention that money can buy.

Putting a restriction on this gimmick only draws more attention to how ridiculous the original idea is.

This is ridiculous. Just eliminate the shootout, make it 10 minute 4 vs 4 overtime and bring back the tie. No points for going into overtime and losing. STOP REWARDING TEAMS WITH A POINT FOR LOSING! And STILL, and this really bothers me, we have an icing rule that causes injuries and it remains so. Get your priorities straight NHL, Ban the spin-o-rama, I mean seriously?

Nah, he'd relocate 3 of the plates to 'better markets' and then be forced to have the NHL own the other 2 while searching for a 'suitable buyer'.

Pav could do it...

A. No way Bettman could balance 5 plates, and B. He would drop plates on purpose in order to influence who wins. Just sayin'.

So that means Bettman has to be at all games in case of a shootout?

I've always been intrigued with this idea, it would certainly stop the fancy shots no one would ever try on a breakaway. But what happens if your DMan gets a penalty? Penalty shot?

I don't have a problem with this. Was it Raymond that had that ridiculous one this year? Although, there should be a time limit or something to stop Kane's joke of a 'shot'. The concept of a SO is to simulate a breakaway, Kane wouldn't get away with that on a breakaway, he'd get destroyed. Maybe they should let the shooter get a slight head start and put a dman out there to chase him down. That would make the SO a little more interesting.

New rule: in order to score a shootout goal a player must 1) skate through a series of ten cones 2) skate around a midget balancing 5 plates without making him drop any. 3) jump through a ring of fire 4) limbo under a pole 5) and then put the puck in the net.

Little Caesers Coliseum! At least then, the Illitch's are just transferring money from one pocket to another. Whatever it ends up being, I don't want to see Amway Place © or Amway Arena © or anything with the word AMWAY in it. Sorry to any independent business owners that are forum contributors, it's just that your parent company has a terrible reputation. They don't call it SCAMway for nothing.

When they design the new building, I hope they remember to make the seats more "fan friendly". We're not all 50 pound 10 year old girls! I'm only 5'10" & my knees dig into the seat in front of me. And the fact that I am, how should I say it, a little "wide", it's a hell of a process even trying to grease myself up to try & slide into one of the seats at the Joe! Heck, my brother in law, who goes to some games with me, is of average hieght/build, and he has trouble fitting in the seats! Just a couple extra inches in seat width & a few more inches of leg room would make a trip to the Pizza Dome a lot more pleasant than the Joe. The seats in Saginaw at the Dow Event Center are perfect... wide enough for us big guys, and plenty of leg room. Granted, a much smaller arena, but they should be able to do it. I have been in other big arenas with wider seats/more legroom. The Pizza Dome... lol... I am assuming this will be "Little Caesar's Arena" or something stupid... but what SHOULD the new arena be called (not a 'sponsor' name)? Wings Stadium?

This has to be a joke, right? Tootoo is a very BIG little man and he fought and stuck up for his team mates more than any other player on the team. Not big enough to scare anyone? I don't know about that when the guy backs down from NO-ONE and he hold his own against guy much taller and heavier players. Check out his score card again: http://dropyourgloves.com/fights/FightCard.aspx?Season=2013&Player=5636&League=1