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Only if your counting bad pass goals as well

The Wings' fourth line has been the best line on the ice, but they don't know how to score goals so its 0-0 still.

I like what our blue line has shown through these first four games. I like this emphasis on low-event hockey. I like the emphasis on structure and set plays. I like that every player seems to know what he's doing, what he'd like to do next, and what he'll do if things don't go according to plan. I like that when something does go wrong and the puck ends up in our net, it's because of a simple turnover, so all Babcock has to say is "That? Don't do that." I like that the D are jumping into the attack, that we're showing some physicality in our end, that The Forbidden Play - the breakout pass through the middle of the ice - seems to be throwing off the opposition. I like that we're no longer an adventure in our end, that we've calmed down, matured, grown, flat-out improved. I also like Jeff Petry. But when I look at our blue line...to me, it doesn't scream "Could really use Jeff Petry." I think he'd settle in as a good #3 or #4, and, frankly, that's not what we need. Certainly not if it costs us Helm. His shortcomings are familiar to us - mental lapses in the d-zone, soft plays, inconsistency. He was a strong possession player last season, basically serving as Edmonton's #1 defenseman, but I don't know if adding him moves our needle closer to true Cup contention.

Are we still counting GAA with under a minute?

wow, with 10 secs. To go too...nice!

I almost sprayed coffee through my nose in the checkout line. Well played, sir.

I kept saying it two years ago but we should have traded Helm before people figured out he was just a smaller more injury prone Kris Draper.

this settles it...Weiss has officially taken up residency in the Legwand/Modano/Commodore dog house. I almost cannot wait for Babcock to leave...

It's a little funny they're we're basically only alternating lines 1 and 4 right now

Then abby had to one up him with a horrible clearing attempt

CBC acting as if we'll lose Babs after this season because the Wings wouldn't be willing to pay him more than Holland makes.

Never change Babcock.

You're supposed to get tix for the anniversary, man ;-)

OK. Well you deserve some March 14 treatment for that sacrifice.

Sweet. Holland would be able to get JVR for Glendenning if Babs was Toronto’s GM.

I am serious. If we tear down every stadium after only 30 years of existence, then we won't have any more Boston Garden, and Montreal Forum type places. You can't create historic stadiums if you only keep them around a few decades. The JLA would have history if it was allowed to stand.

You think there is a bad seat? I'll bet you a pair of tickets you won't find one seat with an obstructed view, no poles or signs blocking your view of the ice from the nose bleeds to the front row in any section.

I hate how little respect they have in this country for stadiums and history. Maybe it's because the country hasn't been around for as long as others. A few years ago, Yankee Stadium was demolished. Boston Garden was demolished in the 90's. How can you get rid of those stadiums and all the history associated with that? In Europe, the most famous soccer stadiums have been around over 50 years. Some stadiums in England have been around over 100 years. Yes, those stadiums undergo massive renovations and look nothing like they did 50 years ago, but at least they're still there. When people go to those games, they can say they're in the same stadium so and so used to play at. I know things are done differently here, but I'm not a fan of tearing the JLA down.

I'm conflicted on this. I'm sure most of you guys that have been there over the years are as well. On one hand, the place has turned into somewhat of an stinkhole. The Joe is embarrassing compared to many of the nice new arenas built within the last 10-15 years. It has this weird post-apocalyptic vibe to it. Until you sit down in your seat, anywhere. Then its magic. This new arena better help me forget the ol' Joe, thats all I have to say!

I will def be getting to the last home game we have and carrying my seats out with me. Who's with me?

That will be a sad day. I get that it's a dump relative to the rest of the league's new shacks, but it's our ******* dump!!!

petry sounds like a brad stuart to me. ill take him

Good luck Toots!