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http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?reportType=season&report=realtime&season=20152016&gameType=2&sort=giveaways&aggregate=0&teamId=17&pos=S Why do I feel like "the eyeball test" is just a convenient way of saying "I'm choosing to believe what I want to believe"? Tatar was 12th on the team in giveaways. Of the players who were on ice for a comparable number of games, only Sheahan, Helm, and Glendening had fewer giveaways. All of the following had more turnovers, some despite not playing nearly as many games: Larkin, Nyquist, DK, Zetterberg, Ericsson, Green, Smith, Abby, and...wait for it...Datsyuk. (Admittedly, Datsyuk's takeaway/giveaway ratio is the best on the team, but he had more giveaways in 15 fewer games.) Can we stop randomly selecting individuals to hate just because the whole team had a bad goal-scoring season? Please?

Your argument is tautological. You think the data is "inaccurate" because it doesn't comport with what you see, and you trust what you see because the data is supposedly inaccurate. Or, in other words, Tatar isn't a good possession player because I don't see it. And I dont see it because i dont believe possession stats. And round and round we go

At this point, I don't think Holland could convince a person coming out of the desert to buy a bottle of water.

AA is untouchable.

Really? Now I'm curious. It doesn't sound right, but what do I know? From my knowledge, once a team acquires a contract, they're responsible for it. Plus, taking a quick look at the history of mutually terminated contracts in the NHL, they occur throughout the entire year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%9316_NHL_transactions#Contract_terminations

I don't usually take much stock in trade rumors, but I can't help but salivate over the thought of Trouba in the Winged Wheel... I know I've mentioned it a hundred times, but Kenny needs to be all over that. I'd also welcome Fowler, but Trouba is my number one choice...

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NHLPA decides to use the escalator, salary cap will be 73 million for this season. Floor is 54 million.

Bob McKenzie shot down those rumors today, said he spoke to Jim Rutherford and he laughed them off.

The same thing can be said of you. "What I see is irrelevant because stats never lie."

Need some help in planning my attendance. I want to goto 2 games and have narrowed it down to two weekends in March. March 10th & 12th, both original 6 games. I assume these will be the "gold" tier games? Two weeks later, March 24th & 26th are Lightning and Wild, which I could see Lightning being "gold" and whatever lower tier Wild fall into. I don't really mind sitting on the roof, but would really like my first game on the glass to be at the Joe. Is anyone familiar with those prices? What is the best outlet to buy tickets? It would be easier/cheaper to get those later games than Original 6 games, correct? Hopefully the Griffins will play that Saturday, so I can check them out as I hit up Founders and other breweries on the west coast! I would appreciate any help and/or insight anyone would have into planning this trip well!

I'm assuming he's referring to Holland's self-imposed deadline. Technically, he doesn't have to move Pavel's contract by July 1st, but he's not going to commit cap space to a free agent without moving the $7.5M. If GM's are (reportedly) asking for guys like AA and Svech now, they'd absolutely have Holland over a barrel if he signed someone before moving the deal. He would have to make a trade - not necessarily Datsyuk's deal, but he'd have no choice but to shed cap space. Don't think he'd put himself in that position.

You missed my point. This is my point. You're going to believe what you want to believe, and reality be damned. Okay.

Ah, so more of a prediction than an observation? I disagree.. I don't think any off season will ever be the best case scenario of something like get rid of bad contracts, sign big name free agents, make big trades, etc all in one off season.. But I disagree that the team will be the same minis rich dats and Q. Something has to be done; whether it's a small step forward or a leap, we won't be the same team we were this past year. Hell, we already won't with all the coaching changes. Hopefully we're in for an exciting off season.

This article is bang on... it should be read aloud at the next Illitch family gathering.

Dude some guy's eyeballs > quantifiable data. Get with it man.

At 37 with 5 years to go on his deal, I'd steer clear. I think he could go to a 'cap floor' team since his contract has started the big nose dive and 17/18 - 20/21 his actual salary will only 1 mill per despite the 5.275 caphit. Edit: He has a NMC so I doubt he'd want to go to a team just meeting the floor. I even doubt he'd want any trade.

Does one contradict the other? because sadly no.. but yes! haha. I'm also a Lions fan so yes... I guess?

Like Babcock said a while ago...stats are nice to know but at the end of the day you judge by what you see... Tatar was brutal recently...hard not to see that. In his rookie season he was a lot better, played with intensitiy. Last season he scored a few point but at the same time he was lazy and a turnover machine.

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All it means is that when he's on the ice the team directs more shots at the opposing net than they do if someone else is on the ice. In this respect the stats are quantifiably true. Maybe your perception is skewed. Either way I tend to put more faith in math than I do your eyeball test. But that's just me. What's more, when you break down his WOWY stats you see that every individual he plays with directs more shots on net than if he weren't playing with them. Its pretty iron clad.

I don't really care about the lefty righty thing either. We have enough righties to make balanced pairs now with Green, Marchenko, and maybe Sproul. I wouldn't trade Tatar thought. I want a team based on possession and he's been one of the best possession forwards in the NHL for the last two years.

I'd trade Nyquist/Tatar+ in an instant for Fowler, exactly the type of defenceman we need. Not concerned that he's another LH shot since Kronwall/Ericsson don't figure to be here for much longer than two years at most.... hopefully.

Thanks for the read:) I myself am making my judgement of kenny post cap era this off season. I have been hesitant to write him off, but this is it for me. Show them all kenny!

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