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Goalies were unconfirmed at the moment, so is Vanek. Lines may change LGRW!

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No, but his avatar does.

Vanek's back on the bench.

How do you say pylon in German?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7SedYMP-PA #GetHyped

NerveDamage, do you in fact have nerve damage?

Should have been ejected

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Looks like Coreau is in net. LGRW !

I'm hyped this one is on NBC and not a cable channel so I can watch it without having to resort to ad-plauged streams of varying quality that may or may not abruptly end halfway through the game.

I knew I should have gone with Neuropathy

Rocking some serious nystagmus

Losing tonight in Minny should start the firesale right?

GM Steve Yzerman: 2010-11 Conference Finals (Lost 3-4 to Boston) 2011-12 Missed Playoffs 2012-13 Missed Playoffs 2013-14 Lost in 1st Round 2014-15 Stanley Cup Finals (lost 2-4 to Chicago) 2015-16 Conference Finals (lost 3-4 Pittsburgh) GM Ken Holland: 2010-11 Conference Semi-Finals (Lost 3-4 to San Jose)* 2011-12 Lost in 1st Round (1-4 to Nashville) 2012-13 Conference Semi-Finals (Lost 3-4 to Chicago)* 2013-14 Lost in 1st Round (1-4 to Boston)* 2014-15 Lost in 1st Round (3-4 to Tampa Bay)* 2015-16 Lost in 1st Round (1-4 to Tampa Bay) *Coached by arguably one of the best coaches in the league, Mike Babcock If you look at young talent joining the Lightning compared to the Wings, plus more aggressive trades along with keeping his talented core, Yzerman is pretty darn good. Kenny isn't the worst, but overpaying our guys coupled with some bad FA's and very weak trades gives Stevie the edge since he began his GM career.

Yeah cause Mrazek played so bad tonight. He's the only reason it wasn't 10-1 with all the defensive brain farts that the team committed. Mrazek has been solid overall since Blash gave him the net back, besides the Caps game. His defense did him no favours that game though either. It's been bad all season, but lately it's hit a level of suck not seen in decades. And by decades I mean back to the '80's. And the Wings love to give away free breakaways. Was at least two tonight that should never be allowed by any NHL team. Horrid.

Thats the coaches job. To bad our coach is a ******.

Probably because somebody, can't exactly remember who it was, just gave him a huge contract extension. Hard to justify a 2 Million man playing for Grand Rapids just a few months after he got his contract.

Vanek was the acquisition of the year for sure. Guy went beyond expectations.

Yup. Whether you're #TeamStreak or #TeamTank, we can all agree that we can't afford to lose him to a serious injury. If we're gonna make the playoffs, it's going to be largely because of him. If we're not going to make the playoffs, we're going to want to try to trade him.

I agree. Holland has the hardware to prove he was very good over most of his career. I think recently though a lot of his tools have been stripped from him... Yzerman, Nill, Babcock, Lidstrom, Datsyuk, various scouts. So basically he lost his right hand and left hand man, and they both took the staff underneath them that they liked. One of the top 5 coaches in the league leaves to a divionsal rival. Arguably the best Dman ever hangs em up, and his franchise center goes to Russia. And all those pieces were replaced by assests of lesser talent. Now I believe all these circumstances were mostly outside of his control. But hes failed to replace them with high end talent in the pipeline. Filppula/Hudler was a failed project. Nyquist/Tatar is looking like a failed project. Brunner failed project. Weiss failed project. Quincey, Ericsson, Smith, Kindl, all failures. Alfredsson, Vanek, Green are the only notable good moves recently. Now the new direction seems to be AA, Larkin, and Mantha, a hodge podge of young Dmen, and Mrazek. And each of those players, while promising, have blemishes on their record. Some of those blemishes could be the fault of our new sub par coach though. Hopefully they are. I'm rambling. I think Holland has certainly tried, hes just failed to connect recently. Meanwile Yzerman has made a bunch of bad moves as well, but a few of his moves really paid off. Stralman project was huge. Johnson project paid off. Kucherov worked out. Handled the St. Louis, Drouin, and Stamkos dilemmas like a gangster. Bishop and Vasilevsky (a pick we gave them for failed project quincey) worked out well. On the flipside, Garrison and Carle didnt work out. He gave up Gudas for Coburn which was dumb. Filppulas not working out. The Lindback trade was a failure. Yzerman just has positives to go along with his negatives recently. Even with their injuries and down year that team is drafting very well and making a lot of good choices with players.

I think I would prefer next season. With them already wearing the "9" as a tribute to Howe I wouldn't want one to trump the other. Make the entire next season a tribute to him.

Lets just say for conversation sake Holland had nothing to do with 98 and 02, what is your reason to discredit him for 2008? At the end of the day Yzerman has not won a cup, I dont see how you can say he is clearly the better GM. I do think that Yzerman has made better moves in that past few years and appears to understand the cap better then Holland and yes, in 2018 if I had to choose I would choose Yzerman, but you are making it sound like Yzerman has had a better career as a GM then Holland which is a joke.

Holland hasn't made 7 good trades in a decade, or even sign 7 good contracts. He can't flip this roster because of cap issues with regards to the terrible contracts he has signed that we are still paying for (Weiss, Ericsson, Howard etc). The problem with him isn't that he made a few bad signings in the past he continues to do so i.e Nielsens term. I probably am just wasting my time, since the Holland faithful think he does no wrong and would be willing cuckhold participants.

This is Holland we are talking about. There is a chance that Vanek is moved but that is about it. Don't get your hopes to high about seeing him make a bunch of moves.