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Lefty could be the equipment manager. Just make sure his office is far from the dumpster.

I will be rooting for Mrazek. Need that conditional pick. Go Mrazek go! Tear it up son.

Intelligent response. You’ve been on a roll insulting people and breaking rules. Keep it up and you might end up on the Philly forums with Mrazek.

Yeah, pretty much how I feel. I think we should have kept him for the remainder of this season, but I don't think Holland had any intention in qualifying him regardless how he performed down the stretch. I don't like the decision to move on from him, but I guess if we were anyway, at least we got something for him... Whatever. Hopefully he tears it up in Philly and they make it past a couple teams in the playoffs. The chance of a 4th turning into anything is slim, so getting a 2nd would make this a little more stomachable for me...

Darren Helm isn't a bad player. Darren Helm isn't worth his contract. One or two guys making $500k too much isn't a killer. 10-12 guys making $500k too much is. So if you can move any of those guys, you do it. I hope the Bruins take Helm and Babs gets his man crush back and the Leafs take Glendogmillionaire. Replace both with guys making reasonable salaries, and you're in better shape.

Vegas could have got him for free and passed and Philly didnt want him a week ago. It took a playoff team losing both goalies for Mrazek to have any type of trade value. He was never going to stay in Detroit so might as well get something for him while you can.

What's in a name? ...and in other news: LET'S GO PHILLY! also... JIMMY HOW-ARD!

Well, this did seem likely to happen. Would have preferred to keep him and see if he continued his resurgence, but I do think it was unlikely that we were going to qualify him, so if that was the decision then I do think they took advantage of probably the only opportunity get a return for him. The goalie market and Mrazek's value did seem to be weak and it took the duo injuries to even get that much. A 4th ain't much, but I think that'll be a 3rd since I think he'll win 5 games and they'll make the playoffs. But they'll probably play the Pens in the 1st round so I don't think it'll turn into a 2nd. And, I doubt they re-sign him with their duo so I'm betting it's just a 3rd, which is an okayish return. So, who do we call up? Coreau? - that would help our draft odds, haha (edit: apparently he was just named the AHL player of the week, though)

Taboo points to talk about: I actually think Holland has been exceptionally good at selling for a man who's never had to. In my work experience buying takes a whole different attitude than selling. Ive been pretty impressed by Holland's ability and activeness on the market, for who a guy who's almost always been in the other camp. I still question his buying ability thou

If Mrazek hadn't spent most of the last two years looking like an AHL goalie he wouldn't have had to worry about it. I'm guessing this means they had no intention of qualifying him this summer, so they got at least a 4th for a guy they were going to lose for nothing later, and potentially quite a bit more. 4th (or more) > nothing, especially when there isn't much of a market for goalies. Holland did a good job.

I like it actually, getting something besides him just walking.

Brutal...

There is no such rumor. He met with Toronto and Sabres and declined any further meetings and immediately signed with Tampa. He got cold feet basically and realized the grass is not greener.

Interesting words from Kris Draper; seems like he has his own approach: HSJ: “You were such a competitive player. Is it tough to want the team to miss the playoffs in order to get into the draft lottery? KD: “Listen, I know they are going to play hard and do everything they can to make the playoffs. They basically want to screw up our draft. Here we are talking about Rasmus Dahlin, a kid that potentially is going to be a franchise defenseman — they don’t care about that. They want to win. But in the end, for us to get better, we have to draft really well and then we have to find some gems. Dan Cleary is out west right now watching Michael Rasmussen and Dennis Cholowski. Those guys have really made some big strides. We hope they can continue in their development, that they have a big summer. We need to expedite this process. We need to get these kids bigger and faster and stronger, quicker, to come in and start challenging for spots. That’s how you get better. We have to draft well. We have to find players.” HSJ: “So you’re rooting for them to play well but come up a goal short? KD: “Ha, I’m not touching that one. I still have friends in that locker room. I know that Henrik Zetterberg is one of the most ultimate competitors that I’ve ever played with. We know what he is going to do. But it’s a tough league.” Looks to me like Draper is all for being able to win that lottery. If he took over, I could see him pulling off something like the Maple Leafs did. Sell, sell, sell and let the roster play out to get that top lottery rank.

Everyone needs to read this post.

Lemieux Two Takes A Beating Thought everyone might enjoy. Claude Lemieux's son Brendan tries to bully Hicketts. McIlrath handles the Lemieux as Red Wings assets are trained to.

Mrazek v. Howard? That thread will be a bloodbath

These fools ain't got nothing on me. I eat em for snack time cause they ain't even worth a real meal.

Lol i knew this thread would get salty quick

There are so many goalie flame war threads i want to bump right now lol

@chaps80 is literally going to start crying and so is @Hockeymom1960

https://www.tsn.ca/insider-trading-are-the-trade-flood-gates-about-to-open-1.1000840 In the video his opinion starts around the 4:10 mark.

I have said before we don't NEED to trade either of them, but the more I think about it, I am fine with trading BOTH of them. If there is any water in the Iles rumor, then make the Howard deal and get an average Goalie back to finish up the year. Trade Mrazek for the best return he can bring, I guess if a 3rd is the best, then so be it. We'd have Halak and Coreau, but maybe something will present itself come summer. I am just so tired of the inconsistency of both of the Goalies ad don't really want to move past this season with either of them. Howard I have been done with for years, even though Petr is doing better recently, I am fine with trading him (or not qualifying him July) as well. We'll find a goalie. IF we are able to draft a couple good players that have great potential (Dahlin would help) and attract maybe JT and/or Karlsson, we will find a goalie. Once the team shows that it is back in the winning column more than not, plus looking like a bright future, UFA's will once again look our way, and we will be on that "Accept a trade to" list for the NTC's players once again. Right now we have over $12M in Cap for next year (rumor has it Cap will go up as well) we have 5 RFA's that we need to re-sign. AA, Larkin and Mantha will probably suck up $9M-$10M of that $12M. I don't expect Bert or Frk to get too much of a raise. If we can trade XO, Jimmy, Gus, (rumored) Glenny and maybe Tatar as well as one of Helm/Abby(not all at deadline, but maybe before July 1) we'd open up a ton of Cap space to try to lure JT and possibly Karlsson here. I know we would still need a goalie, but honestly, with an improved team and D (especially if we were able to draft one of the top 3 D in the draft) if wouldn't be so bad as it sounds by trading all those players. Besides, I'd still LOVE to try and get a lottery position for 2019 and try to land Jack Hughes for our #1 Center spot. Bobby Mac says that if he were eligible for the draft this season, he would be the one player to knock Dahlin off the #1 spot. I realize this is a lot to happen, and it probably won't. But at least there have been rumors out there that we are shopping a Goalie, XO, and there has been interest in Nyquist and Tatar. So honestly if Holland has a true fire sale, trading those guys along with Green at the deadline is really NOT out of the realm of possibility... Even if we just go with the names that have been attached to teams: Green to TPA, XO to MTL, Nyquist to NSH, Howard to NYI, Glenny to TOR, that alone is a huge firesale. Then I would still hope that Holland is active at the draft and shopping around Tatar and Helm. I think either way, even if Howard is the one traded, Mrazek will not be here net season either. So we stand to clear a TON of cap space and at the very least can EASILSY re-sign our RFA's and put a serious offer in on JT if he wants to listen, either that or a huge offer on Karlsson, and you know with the Swedish connection, he will at least listen. ESPECIALLY if we are able to get this Dahlin kid! This is going to be THE TDL and off-season that puts the bookend on Holland's tenure as GM. Yes, get what we can for players, but most importantly, get MANY, MANY draft picks, clear cap, get a high lottery pick and make a HUGE signing or two on July 1.

I'm gonna lose it... I don't know how much you guys venture out of LGW and talk to other fans, this place can become somewhat of an echo chamber, but around the rest of the league Mrazek is considered a PURE rental because of the $4 million dollar qualifier. This is the one player on the market that all 30 other teams know will enter the UFA market no matter what. Cause he's not getting that $4 mill out of anyone. Sure he could play well for Philly and they could seek to bring him back on the open market. But they will have to negotiate against Buffalo, and Carolina, and Calgary, and etc etc. He's a rental. Philly wants the rental to resolve their injury problem.

I mean, it's not funny unless you really dislike the guy. I don't remember him ever saying a bad word about the coaching staff or organization despite benchings and cut ice-time.