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When LW is the sensible one, you know you've crossed a line.

I don't think it's that close between them to be honest. I think Dats just has the "WoW" factor because of his dangles. Truly Fedorov was the best player in the league for a good 2-3 years. Feds was a 50 goal scorer, had more than 10 game winning goals in so many seasons. He also had 31 short handed goals! (holy crap) And the fact that Bowman was able to put Fedorov on defense (where he did really well) truly shows how good he was as a two way player. Also I think there was a time when Fedorov was one of the best faceoff guys in the league as well. Not to mention Fedorov was the fastest hockey player in the world for a long time. A lot of these factors are something Dats lacked imo. I think if there's any player that I've witnessed as the most complete player, my vote would go to Fedorov. However I'd rank Yzerman before him simply because Stevie was a better playoff performer. Which at the end of the day.. is what matters most.

Gus vs Tats

Nielsen will lead the team in points this year...he will have a career points outburst. Vanek will score 35 goals, 20 on the PP. Ott will get 68 games in and lead the team in hits and PIM's. Nyquist and Howard will both be traded along with one of Smith or E. Howard maybe not until the deadline. One of Pulkkinen or Jurco will not be A Red Wing to start the season. Helm and Abby will have career years along with Sheahan and Tatar. Larkin will outscore Eichel and Matthews this season. ...bold predictions part 1.

Opinions are opinions, but personal attacks and name calling is against site rules. We are teetering on the line here, i'm not going to edit anything, but keep it toned down and contribute intelligently. If your best rebuttal is "your opinion is stupid because I said so", or referring to someone's post as "stupid" or "garbage" then just refrain from posting altogether. This is considered "trolling" or intentionally trying to stir people up needlessly. Keep it in line. Thanks.

Dude is so out of options, he can't even buy a vowel.

Ok, stop right here. This explains everything now.

I suppose irony wasn't the right word. It was more of your username than anything. Because punctuation seems unknown to the Internet. People suck at spelling and grammar to begin with, then you throw in Internet slang/shortcuts and people become zombies.

They got auston Matthews. So not necessarily worse. Also they are trying to actually rebuild properly. They were only going after stammer cause I'm pretty sure shanny would be fired if he didn't even try to get a 26 year old scoring phenom. Especially since Toronto is his hometown and he could help speed up the rebuild. It feels good knowing they'll suck for another two years. But if they keep doing things right they could be a very scary team in 3 years.

I know Frans isn't Datsyuk but it will be nice to rely on another top center playing over 80 games this year. Frans has only missed 5 games in the last 5 years which bodes well for us since we always have injured players.

Putting every single player on a realistic time line with equal amount of training and in their primes? If all players were in their primes, trained in CURRENT DAY standards in the year 2016- 1. Howe 2. Yzerman 3. Fedorov 4. Lidstrom 5. Shanahan First of all, the whole "Howe played hefore 80s" argument goes out the window if you bring him to present time and give him current day training. Howe was ambidextrous which already puts him at an advantage. Howe could hit, score, set up. Howe was said to be naturally gifted in all aspects of the game there's nothing that would say he wouldn't be better than all the more recent Red Wings if he were to train in post 80s training regimen. So enough with the "he's not good because he was pre 80s" bs argument. Inherent abilities have nothing to do with external exposure. External exposure molds inherent abilities. I just brought Howe into current day. Now deal with it.

This is about Steve Ott, not McCarthy not Howe...also what are you still doing here you've said you are going to bump ship on the Leafs bandwagon yesterday?

It would be very bad form to trade a guy a couple days after you re-sign him. It would look very bad on the organization. Especially since he signed for less than what he probably would have gotten on market.

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2016/7/2/12087200/article

I would add that a positive is that we have plenty of extra pieces to use for a trade But otherwise sounds about good.

In fact people would have been furious if he didn't sign neilson. He got neilson at a shorter term and dollar amount than his team (nyi) that he was with for his full 10 year career offered and people are still mad. Had he signed lucic, backes, okposo, or any of the big names from today to any of the contracts they signed for people would still be mad. Kenny can never do anything right around here. I feel like he actually did a good job today. Ya the neilson contract length is long, but it's only really going to hurt us the last 2 years most likely. The vanek signing was very good too imo. Helm contract length and dollar was high, but shouldn't really hinder us going forward too much.

I find it funny most people on this forum didn't want radulov at all originally. But when kh failed to get him he's villanized. Had he signed him for $6 million he would be villanized. Lose lose for kh no matter what lol.

Nielson: 32 younger than Datsyuk: 37 Vanek: 32 younger than Richards: 36 How did we get older? Ott is 33 which isn't even that old and he won't play much. He only played 21 games last year. I don't think anyone realistically thinks AA won't be on the team. I think Ott will be a GR call up.

The way I see it, no players were taken on outside of Neilson that has to be protected for the expansion draft. If Vanek plays well and decided Detroit is a good fit, he can re-sign after the draft. So on the bright side, at least we shouldn't lose anyone meaningful when that time comes.

Khan: "#RedWings Ken Holland said roster pretty much set for start of season. A little under cap after factoring in what RFAs will cost." Maybe just trying to play calm, obviously there's time, but doesn't look like that D trade is coming anytime soon.. Hopefully that'll bring the price down

Come on, be realistic. Minnesota is a team where someone as good as Parise even drops in production. For 2.6 million, it's a solid signing. It also allows us a chance to trade for a top D now.

Fast forward to the post game..."We didn't start on time and it's tough to play from behind"

Mishandled by Kronwall breakaway for Tampa

I'm not talking about the people he did sign, I'm addressing the fact that Holland is accused of "sleeping on a free agent" because they signed somewhere else as if Holland had first dibs on every free agent.