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Datsyuk and Pronger will be great teammates in Arizona.

Yes, Cleary did spend some time on IR last season and if he does get another deal and again plays in Grand Rapids, I would expect a similar number of games / production again. He's a great mentor for the kids and they all love him down there. I'd personally like to see him spend another season down there helping out the kids on and off the ice. So, no it's not because he was horrible. It's really pissing me off how much disdain some fans are getting over such a great guy, that gave this organization so much over the years. Sure, he stayed a year or two too long, but is that on him? No. LeftWinger, what's going on with you? I mean you're at least somewhat bearable during the season, but every offseason it's the same old s*** with you. Nothing but doom and gloom, every post is worse than the previous. Relax man, the season starts soon...

I have no idea why a PTO would make a person so mad. As many posters wrote above, it allows him to be part of the early training camp process which hurts absolutely nobody.

Its the off season and its boring, I am going to choose to take the bait again lol. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but what baffles everybody about yours in this instance is there is no fact, clues or logic about your opinion. It would be like me coming out randomly one day and saying "I think Larkin hates the Wings because Abby and Helm pick on him" then post comments all the time saying. "Well, if Abby and Helm keep this up, Larkin is going to leave", "I dont believe its all just dandy like you all think" etc. Anyways, this is stupid. Can we please have hockey back!

We discussed it and mentioned opinions then a few days later you posted a picture bringing the topic back up again. You consistently do that with other topics too. When s*** is laid to rest you bring it back up and get a rise out of people. So yeah it's baiting. My responding to your baits isn't baiting you. It's exactly what it is. A respnse. And it's funny you think people are being sensitive but here you are writing a book on how people are attacking you etc etc etc. boo hoo.. If you're going to come out and say D and Z are warring with each other and coming up with conspiracy theories/rumors WITHOUT evidence, you're GOING to get called out and asked for proof. That's the real world. Without evidence and proof, there's no basis for anything you say. On the other hand, the rest of us expressed our opinions that they aren't warring, that they are best friends and provided legitamate sources on the matter. Anytime you want to come up with more theories, people will keep responding to it and most likely come up with sources to counter your claims. That's also what forums are about. Debating, debating, debating and backing it up. If it bothers you then maybe you shouldn't post. If you're going to stir the pot then you should be ready to debate on the matter. Don't take the easy way out and get all defensive. Anyways I've said my piece. If the rumor of D and Z warring is brought up again, I'll be sure to respond to it and I'm sure others will too.

Yeah, he was injured for a while. Also missed some of the early season while contemplating retirement. Also, the AHL has a veteran limit. Can only play 5 vets (who have played 320 or more pro games) per game, so vets will sometimes rotate out.

Team NA vs. Team Europe is my dream final.

Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 2m2 minutes ago Spoke with Niklas Kronwall, he's uncertain whether he'll be ready for start of Red Wings season, disappointed not better progress with knee. Ugh Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 7m7 minutes ago Jeff Blashill said ideally Red Wings F Dylan Larkin plays center this season, that's where organisation ultimately would like him. No surprise there... Make Larkin & Nielsen your top 2 centers and build around them

Maybe Kronwall and Zetterberg will join them in a couple years.

You thinking I was attacking you or name calling by saying that some of your views are extremely foolish (definition of asinine) is one thing, but to not see how outlandish some (most) of your comments have been all offseason, is crazy to me... And like I said before, each comment seems to be worse than the previous. Relax man, October is right around the corner... By the way, I wasn't basing any of that on what you're saying in this thread alone, more so every single other thread over the summer...

It's a f****** PTO, if he succeeds he will get a job on re griffins and given the amount of remaining talent there chances are his veteran experience will be very welcome. Maybe a call up here and there if the Injury bug comes back. Like it not Cleary making the GR roster or not is going to be the least of the Wings problems this year.

You act like people are attacking you , but you bait us with your posts, which are against forum rules from what I remember. Just like you feel like you have a right to post, people have a right to respond. Deal with it.

52%, 12 US born players, 11 Canadian

Oh yeah, I remember he didn't go down to GR right away. That all makes sense. It'd be better to have ex-NHL as the vets sharng advice, so more power to Cleary for doing that.

Because it's conspiracy theory month.

It's that time of year where Lefty comes up with his random theories. I am pretty bored too to be honest.

Must be seriously bored to be actually discussing this

Agreed. I don't see the purpose of taking his captaincy and giving it to Ovie. Their problem isn't leadership at all. They just get outplayed by other teams. This was a major upset IMO.

I mean you DO have a track record of coming up with conspiracy theories which 99.999999% of the time is untrue and proven wrong. Remember when you ranted for years and years (literally since I joined this forum) that the Swedes just cared about their home country for international play and didn't give two s***s about the Red Wings? Well last I checked the Swedes dropped out of World Championships this summer and last week dropped out of the World Cup to be ready for the Red Wings opening night. I don't care if it's an opinion and if you feel obligated to present it that way. It's just a wrong one, because all evidence disproves it. It's pretty hilarious that you take one picture out and comment on an "Awkward pose" and try to fill in a conspiracy theory narrative about it. There is literally nothing you can show to us that would prove your little "opinion" right. All you've managed to do is show us a picture and try to label it. You literally have NO proof whatsoever. No script, no interview, no statements to back you up. At all. Here I'll pull what you pulled. Fedorov isn't smiling, he must hate Datsyuk.

Pretty good, idk about "great".

I dont think Datsyuk and Zetterberg are seeking your approval to validate their friendship lol. You can think whatever you want, but repeating the same ridiculous nonsense over and over and over again does not make it true.

He had 15 points in 35 games playing on I'm guessing the third or forth line. Having a veteran presence like him in the AHL is not a bad thing and can only help with player development. I want him no where near the Wings, but I'm just fine with him playing on the Griffins as long as he can hold his weight.

The last time I was in Russia I was talking with some locals and told them I was from Detroit. They all immediately said "Datsyuk". I realize that it's just an anecdote, but I got the impression he's a pretty big star.

Tarasenko, Datsyuk and Ovechkin on the ice at the same time

That "Yzerman" artwork is a joke. Come on Jimmy, get that s*** fixed before you wear it on the ice in warmups.