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I should have specified that only the first line of my post was responding to your post. It was more at others earlier that suggested trading him or just getting rid of him. And I don't think you're response is aimed at my post either since it's not close to what I said. He's lost the #1 spot rightfully for the time being. I don't even think he should have been declare #1 so early on in his career when he struggled for that long last year and Jimmy is still a very good goalie. I'm saying he's a young goalie who I do feel will get there. Jimmy's getting older and we're a team building for the future - why would you get rid of the only goalie in your system that will reasonably be expected to be a starter in 5 years? (Luongo's 37 so maybe Howie could do it, but that would be the end of career and I think it'd be a stretch). Finally, there's many other reasons people are high on him that you didn't mention. A big one is the Calder cup that he won in his rookie year in the AHL. And his stellar play in the AHL in general.

If we win tonight, I will be firmly convinced that it was because of the presence of Coreau's granny. Therefore, we will need at least one player's granny present at all games for the remainder of the season. I don't think that's too much to ask....

Coreau looking very sharp

We need a win tonight so I'm invoking the power on JimmyEmeryHunter's gas stop nachos. LGRW!

I really wanna see Ott and Neil go toe to toe

What a sweetheart. Would never guess she's 92.

Good morning Luke! What a crushing hit..

Oh come on. If it's asinine to hand the reins to Mrazek, how is it any less so to keep Howard, who has shown the exact same unreliability over the course of 7 years? If anything, you should think keeping both is the absolute worst thing we could do. Getting rid of one would at least create the opportunity for someone more reliable, plus ease our cap situation. And if we're getting rid of one, Howard makes the most sense. There is no future commitment. Mrazek may or may not be the long-term answer, but it should be pretty obvious by now that Howard for sure is not. What baffles me is that people can mock the hype for Mrazek while simultaneously jerking themselves raw over a 17 game stretch from Howard.

He's only been on the full time roster this year and last year. Edit: plus half the year before - i forgot - so about 2 full years. I think keeping the 32 year old goalie and getting rid of the promising 24 year old would be a horrific decision for our future. Sure, Howard's playing better now and could be better next year or 2, but we're not winning in these years. And we have no one else in the system projected to be a starter. I'm kind of amazed the extent to which people have turned on Mrazek. He's lost 11 games this year - I'm not sure how many people would consider bad games for him, but to me it's less than that number. Some may call this unfair, but I found it interesting: Even with Mrazek's current horrible stats (which make up a larger portion of his career) he and Howard have almost identical career stats: Mrazek: GAA: 2.44, SV%: .916 Howard: GAA: 2.43, SV%: .915 That suggests that overall, Mrazek's been on par with Howards play over the years. I'll go with the goalie that showed to have the higher ceiling and in the developing years. Or if we have both for the next couple years, I'm good with that too and we'll have insurance rather than betting on one horse.

Sandstrom is still feeling guilty about scoring 0 goals and 4 points during that playoff run, despite playing on the top line with Yzerman. Hodson contributed as much to the Wings in 1997 as I contributed to writing the Beatles "Sgt. Peppers". He'd have to be some kind of ahole to actually show up. I mean did Mike Knuble or Mark Major show up? Will Sean Avery show up when they honor the 2002 team?

kickazz, NerveDamage, MabusIncarnate and LeftWinger. Horrible bunch they are

Right now the difference would be about 1.15 GAA and .038 save percentage, or top 5 goalie stats vs 40-45th league wide.

do it for Grandma!

Hang tough Jared!

or because that's the one thing you always forget at home, perhaps

I don't think anyone has an issue with the idea that Mrazek might not become anything special. Some here have suggested giving up on Mrazek (though I kind of think #9 is just trolling with all that), and I'd think quite a few would take issue with that, but not with reasonable skepticism. Beyond that though, if you acknowledge that both goalies have reliability questions, what difference does it make if we get rid of one? If we don't have a long-term solution now with both, how it worse if we also don't have a long-term solution with just Mrazek? We'd need a solid backup, and that's it. Hopefully, Coreau can show at least that much while Howard is out, and we won't need to even worry about that. Then we can start worrying about whether we need to upgrade.

It's that Vernon throwback mask of his

yay, we score first! Vanek!!

Vanek!!!

The real issue is Holland gave him a fat contract based on a small sample size. He needed a bridge deal not what he got. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Canadian Tire Centre cheering Alfie! Alfie!

looking forward to seeing what Coreau can do again. Hopefully Nyquist and Larkin can finally get in a groove. LETS GO WINGS!

They're not going to get elite talent in the expansion draft, but the league isn't going to stick them with a roster that will challenge the old Caps team for worst of all time either. As far as the teams that have struggled for years go, that's on them. Should have hired a good GM and scouts and used their high picks better. Sent from my LGLS676 using Tapatalk

Yzerman obtained Ben Bishop in exchange for Cory Conacher and a 4th round pick. He also traded Kyle Quincey in exchange for a 1st round pick, to some dumb ass GM (I forgot his name). He signed Tyler Johnson, who was a player nobody ever heard of. He drafted Palat in the 7th round. He signed Stralman, who's been a very good player for them. He also obtained Brian Boyle for cheap, who's been a major contributor to their team. There's more to Tampa's success besides Stamkos and Hedman. While Yzerman has been doing these things, Holland has made a fool of himself and now runs one of the costliest rosters in the league, despite severely lacking talent at every position. I know this thread is about Holland's entire history, and not just the last 5 years, but it's easy to see that Holland surrounded himself with smart people who have either retired or went to other organizations.

please get rid of Blashill