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Really? Your argument is, "Other people believe it too!"? And no, it's not a matter of me "not believing in that sort of thing", but rather the mountain of evidence to the contrary that makes me think you're wrong. By objective analysis, we have been above average in our drafting success...even through more recent years where we have not had any lucky home run picks to bolster the numbers. Our team consists mostly of players we have drafted and developed, and despite a few notable holes and popular opinion, many of them are pretty good. I can't reconcile that success with the notion that we are so bad at development that you feel it's appropriate to make sarcastic "imagine that" comments. You might then say that we aren't bad at it, and it's just a few individual exceptions. But then I would have to question the extraordinary coincidence of this supposed mismanagement only afflicting a few prospects that you happened to be notably excited about. I also can't agree with what few specifics you have given regarding how and why these players were mishandled. Sproul was bad in pretty much every way you can measure last year. His usage rather perfectly reflected the level of his play. Jurco was worse than every player used above him. Smith never demonstrated any notable scoring ability. There was never anything more than your belief in their potential to justify a different usage. And this myth that the Wings prefer defense, and that "offensive" players are suppressed based on defensive deficiencies doesn't jive with the usage and success of Nyquist, Tatar, Mantha, Larkin, AA, and Vanek (among others in the past), nor with the fact that the offense of these players thus far is really nothing more than, again, your belief in their potential. Nor does the alleged bias against offensive defensemen fit with all the offensive defensemen we've drafted, or the Green signing. And now we have some evidence from different organizations, where Smith and Jurco were used basically the same way, with the same results, Jurco has apparently washed out and cleared waivers, Sproul clears waivers...that does undeniably suggest that at least some actual professionals around the league beyond just the Wings have drawn the same conclusions. So given all the logical incongruity I would have to accept in order to believe your theory, I find it infinitely more plausible that you just made some inaccurate predictions, and these players are just a few more among the dozens upon dozens of prospects each year that fail to meet their more optimistic expectations. But hey, at least you can still say it's all just your opinion, and I can't actually prove you're wrong.

I see you like to live dangerously...

Red Wings-Golden Knights SCF. Book it, nerds.

Let's get this season rolling! Volunteers wanted, artistic skill or not, everyone should have an opportunity to present one this year and i'd like to see some new people try it out. Looking forward to our regulars and seeing what you guys can come up with, i'll do a few of my own also. Post up and claim your game or games! REMEMBER GDTs can be posted at the earliest of 12AM EST on the day of the game, aka, midnight the night before the game! November 2017 11/2 - Detroit at Ottawa NerveDamage 11/5 - Detroit at Edmonton NerveDamage 11/6 - Detroit at Vancouver 11/9 - Detroit at Calgary 11/11 - Detroit vs Columbus 11/15 - Detroit vs Calgary 11/17 - Detroit vs Buffalo ChristopherReevesLegs 11/19 - Detroit vs Colorado 11/22 - Detroit vs Edmonton 11/24 - Detroit at New York Rangers Dabura 11/25 - Detroit vs New Jersey 11/28 - Detroit vs Los Angeles 11/30 - Detroit vs Montreal

I would rather have a pick than a player, because we already don't have enough room for all youngsters we should better be playing..

oh, brother... did I hurt your beta feelings? don't you know about the tacky gdt contest? Respect Yo'Self!

Awesome, thanks guys. Dabura, Nerve, and anyone else, if it's game day, or late the night prior, you can definitely create the GDT and/or take on more dates during the month at any time. Hockeytown0001 has been our go-to for many years, it's a lot of work, and it's sometimes tough to keep up with so many games. We are aiming to spread it out a lot more and take some pressure off of the regulars here. The efforts are appreciated, and if this season goes the way most of us think it's going to go, we are going to need some additional entertainment around here and a good variety of GDTs is a step in the right direction.

I can do opening night versus Le Wild, unless someone else plans to do it... *invoking FlashyG!!! Tacky GDT has some serious competition this year. CRL I'm looking at you.

nah... this is ACME, remember?

Cause he hits people in the face

76 in '15

He had to sit a few games

Our long national nightmare is over.

10/10 and 10/31 plz. (If any dates go unclaimed, I'll gladly take those too. I have free time.)

I feel sorry for those that might be in denial about a distinct possibility of a Hawks/Pens SCF.

10/24 at Buffalo boom

Can I do an MS paint GDT?

Retired Korean guy bragging about his hockey threads in personal investment spams.

Spammers really are pieces of ****. Yeah. I can prove it mathematically. Actually, let me grab my white board. This has been a long time coming.

i was huge on sproul as anyone but i lost all types of confidence in him watching him get owned in his own end time after time in the nhl what i think is halarious is our 4th line (provided we go with abs glen helm) is close to 10mil anyone know the league average salary per person is? looks like the wings is around 4 mil per player. just wait til we have to sign larkin and mantha

Why are you shocked? He's not very good. And don't tell me he didn't get a chance. He played 30 games, doesn't play good in his own end, doesn't use his size, rarely showed any offensive skill etc... Is this a case of you overvaluing him because he's in our organization?. If the other 30 teams don't want him there is a pretty good reason for that. Maybe he can keep developing in GR and prove me and everyone else wrong but right now he's totally expendable. You can't just say they are mismanaged because they aren't very good. Sproul, Jurco etc.. are not NHL material. How big of a sample size do you want? Sproul played almost 30 games. That was plenty for most people to see he's not very good, or at least not worth trying to fit him into the lineup. At this point he's probably 10th or 11th on the D depth chart. Won't even get a sniff at the NHL

Sproul clearing waivers is just further evidence that us Wings fans tend to overvalue our prospects.

that's waicist d-don't cover you-*burp*-ur ding dong MooOorty

Yeah PETA can suck it. If I buy a dead cephalopod, I can eat it, throw it on the ice, or dress it up and have a tea party with 9 tea cups. What happens between a man and his octopus is his own business.

Yes but even the few times he was forced to sit out made him sad. That sadness consumed him. And now he can't hockey anymore