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Dudes are making valid points about over-valuing +/- No one should be saying that a high +/- should be an automatic ticket to Awesomeland. BUT, if Quincey was - 11 and Kindl was - 9, this would be used as LGW ammo to have them banished to Suck Island. I base my opinion on what I see on the ice, and both guys are playing alright.

Rumour has it Murph uses them personally to create space for him to get hot dogs between periods too

The player didn't have the puck and it was intent to injure. Why wouldn't he have a hearing?

Brian Burke and Garth Snow would like to talk to you.

Don't know if it's been mentioned already, but this dawned on me last night: Kronwall Ericsson Smith Quincey Kindl Lashoff All Red Wings draft picks except for Lashoff, who we signed as an 18 year old. An all home grown backend!

Here I am. Apparently I replied to this thread in the past, but I can't find where it was or which picture I uploaded before.

Drop Abdelkader to second and give Datsyuk Brunner... This whole Zetterberg - Brunner chemistry is bogus it's just two good players

"INEXCEPTABLE!!!" hahaha

Wings deserve a win in regulation

Everytime Nyquist is here, Babcock plays him in the bottom 6....much like he is doing with Tatar...I think he should have his shot in the top6 like Brunner has been given, if he still has the same results as he has had in the past, then maybe it's time to move forward without him...but I think given top 6 minutes consistently, he will shine....as would Tatar if Babcock would put him there... Filppula - Datsyuk - Tatar Nyquist - Zetterberg - Brunner Role with it and lets see what plays out!

I would love to see a 3 year contract worth 2.5-3 with play off incentives

The thought of Leafs/Wings is just awesome!!!

They don't ask how, they ask how many. Phil Esposito scored a bazillion goals from within 2 feet of the goal that "anyone" could have scored. And then Brunner's agent says "Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

Cleary and Abdelkader.

I get to maybe 3 or 4 games a year at the Joe. Rule #1 - NEVER park in the JLA lot (or Cobo roof for that matter). Rule #2 - Don't go in the main entrance attached to the JLA lot. Before they roped it all off for the remodel I would park around the old Cobo Arena garage or on Yzerman Drive. Now I park in the surface lot behind Cobo Joes bar - easy access and quick exit from any of these locations. you could also go over to greek town area and take one of the many party shuttles the bars send back and forth - that's always a party. No matter where you park, walk through or around Cobo to get to the river, then enter JLA from the river side - not only do you get a cool view of the river, the bridge and the birth-country of hockey, but you walk right into JLA -- virtually no line. I love the current location. Walking the river front before and after the game is as much a part of the experience as the game itself. Won't be the same going to see the Wings in some new venue surrounded by parking lots.

I was at the game yesterday. I can't stand the concourse. If you want to get up and not miss any of the game ,good luck because it is virtually impossible. Takes forever to go to the bathroom, takes forever to get food/drinks, takes forever to leave. Don't even get me started on the bathrooms... Kind of an embarassing story, but at a game last year my stomach became conveniently angry during 1st intermission. I needed to use the bathroom badddd, and not to pee.... I got to the bathroom and the line was massive. Once I made it into the fricken door, I saw ONLY 2 STALLS! Even with all the pee troth space, people were using the 2 stalls to pee while I waited in line. Once I got to one of the stalls, there was piss EVERYWHERE! So yea, that was my horrible JLA story... Parking sucks too.I hate parking in the garage because you have to walk through that stupid tunnel thing at a snails pace. And I also hate parking on the Cobo roof, because after the game everyone is packed in that little entry way waiting for the slow elevators, and it takes about 10 minutes of shuffling through them to get to the stairs. From what I've come to understand, the city wants the land that JLA is on to expand Cobo anyway...

Hello! Long time reader, first time poster. I am cautious about the new arena because the firm hired to design a new arena is the same one used for the American Airlines arena in Dallas. And if you've been there, you can understand my concern. The top tier seats need TVs to see what's going on at the ice. The mid tier seats are decent but not for the money. The only way you can see anything on the ice in Dallas is to be sitting in the best seats of the lower section. I fear a new arena will dramatically raise ticket prices and result in bad sight lines.

Last year during preseason, we did the Detroit-Toronto-Detroit trip for three games in three days. After attending the Toronto house, I realized what a poor but adequate arena the Joe really is. Concourse is small, rest rooms aargh, and the travel to and from is brutal. Joe is ok but there are much better rinks around the league. That being said, most new arena builds, regardless of the sport, are purely accounting based decisions. Not done for the fans, but for the bottom line.

Do people spend the entire game in the bathroom or something?

I have a lot of fond memories and nostalgia for the Joe, but the place is a dump. It already wasn't great when I started going there in the mid 80s and certainly hasn't improved with age. What inadequate about it? Virtually everything but the sight lines. Location, appearance, getting in and out of the building, concessions, bathrooms...

Oh my god yes the Joe needs to be replaced. The Wings have accumulated many awesome memories there, but that arena is terribly designed. Uncomfortable seats, no leg-room, terrible bathrooms which are also lacking. Need more box seats and better location as already stated. The whole thing is a concrete sarcophogas with no visual appeal, outside or inside. I am so ready for a new arena.

I'm not entirely opposed to the Red Wings staying at JLA as I enjoy going there, but in all honesty it's quite inadequate as a sporting venue. Besides the sight lines and memories in the building, there aren't many other redeeming qualities. I go to sporting events for the product itself, though the total package is nice considering the cost to attend. The Joe is a dump inside. The lack of restrooms, crowded and unappealing concourse, uncomfortable seats for us tall humans and there's nothing around the arena either. Everyone walks out through the same exit, so it takes 15 minutes to even get out of there after the game. As has been mentioned, the area around Comerica Park, Ford Field and the Fox Theatre is better developed. Building a new arena there makes a lot of sense. I agree with the throwaway premise of society and generally these new venues come at some cost to the taxpayers as well. I don't think moving for the sake of it is desirable. However, in this case, the Red Wings genuinely need a new arena to play their home games.

Have you seen the construction photos for the Joe? It certainly wasn't designed like the Romans built things lol. It was inferior to the Olympia the moment it opened. It has little to do with age. Thanks, try again.

Zetterberg without question. He has probably been the best playoff performer in the league since the lockout along with Briere.

Well to be fair, I'm sure a lot women play hockey without the need for that level/kind of drama.